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K Major 08-31-2019 04:55 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 853046)
I wish I could remember who said it or what the exact wording was, but I remember reading a quote once that said something to the effect of “Payton will always go with the guys that have marginal physical talent if their football IQ is off the charts.” From what I understand, Austin Carr is incredibly intelligent and probably aces the classroom portion of things.
It has yet to translate on Sunday's XVI.

Marginal talent usually goes home with an L. Production is all that matters at this level of football.

I expect the Saints to bring in proven vet @ WR at some point this season.

ChrisXVI 08-31-2019 05:00 PM
Re: NFL, Saints Cuts
 
So the Dolphins are in full-on tank mode and we have two TE’s on the roster... How about sending them a late pick for Mike Gesicki?

jeanpierre 08-31-2019 05:00 PM
Re: NFL, Saints Cuts
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by brees84 (Post 853042)
Yeah. Carr is small guy that can be easily guarded. Not the best attributes for slot WR. Or any type WR. Lance Moore was not that athletic but compared to Carr... Carr is not chain mover... Simple as that.
Check the history, you're opinion on the comparison may be premature...

#16 WR Lance Moore:

2006 CLE/NO Practice Squad

Year 1 2006 04 Gm, 00 GS, 003 Tgt, 01 Rec, 010 ReYd, 00 ReTd

Year 2 2007 16 Gm, 04 GS, 050 Tgt, 32 Rec, 302 ReYd, 02 ReTd

Year 3 2008 16 Gm, 06 GS, 121 Tgt, 79 Rec, 928 ReYd, 10 ReTd


#80 WR Austin Carr:

2017 Signed by NE as UDFA for 3 year/$1.67mil, released, Claimed on Waivers by Saints

Year 1 2017 01 Gm, 00 GS, 000 Tgt, 00 Rec, 000 ReYd, 00 ReTd

Year 2 2018 14 Gm, 02 GS, 014 Tgt, 09 Rec, 097 ReYd, 02 ReTd

Year 3 2019 ?? Gm, ?? GS, ??? Tgt, ?? Rec, ??? ReYd, ?? ReTd

Sources:

https://www.pro-football-reference.c...M/MoorLa00.htm

https://www.pro-football-reference.c...C/CarrAu00.htm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lance_Moore

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austin...rican_football)

Beastmode 08-31-2019 05:00 PM
Re: NFL, Saints Cuts
 
It could be we don't need that many RB's. Hill could do it if we were that desperate. He already kinda does on a limited scale. Ozigbo doesn't bring anything else to the table. If he was a good returner or tackler he would have made the team easily.

jeanpierre 08-31-2019 05:04 PM
Re: NFL, Saints Cuts
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 853049)
So the Dolphins are in full-on tank mode and we have two TE’s on the roster... How about sending them a late pick for Mike Gesicki?
Or an offensive lineman?

blackangold 08-31-2019 05:06 PM
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Well... I was wrong about the Carr move. Hope it pans out. I thought Butler and Humphrey could add more grit and big bodies to our WRs. Outside of Thomas we have a group of WRs that are not physical at all. Looks like it's going to be the Thomas and Cook show... I still think Butler or Humphrey would have been the 3rd best WR on the roster.

jeanpierre 08-31-2019 05:08 PM
Re: NFL, Saints Cuts
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by blackangold (Post 853053)
Well... I was wrong about the Carr move. Hope it pans out. I thought Butler and Humphrey could add more grit and big bodies to our WRs. Outside of Thomas we have a group of WRs that are not physical at all. Looks like it's going to be the Thomas and Cook show... I still think Butler or Humphrey would have been the 3rd best WR on the roster.
Don't forget about Kirkwood...

brees84 08-31-2019 05:09 PM
Re: NFL, Saints Cuts
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 853050)
Check the history, you're opinion on the comparison may be premature...

#16 WR Lance Moore:

2006 CLE/NO Practice Squad

Year 1 2006 04 Gm, 00 GS, 003 Tgt, 01 Rec, 010 ReYd, 00 ReTd

Year 2 2007 16 Gm, 04 GS, 050 Tgt, 32 Rec, 302 ReYd, 02 ReTd

Year 3 2008 16 Gm, 06 GS, 121 Tgt, 79 Rec, 928 ReYd, 10 ReTd


#80 WR Austin Carr:

2017 Signed by NE as UDFA for 3 year/$1.67mil, released, Claimed on Waivers by Saints

Year 1 2017 01 Gm, 00 GS, 000 Tgt, 00 Rec, 000 ReYd, 00 ReTd

Year 2 2018 14 Gm, 02 GS, 014 Tgt, 09 Rec, 097 ReYd, 02 ReTd

Year 3 2019 ?? Gm, ?? GS, ??? Tgt, ?? Rec, ??? ReYd, ?? ReTd

Sources:

https://www.pro-football-reference.c...M/MoorLa00.htm

https://www.pro-football-reference.c...C/CarrAu00.htm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lance_Moore

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austin...rican_football)
I just don't see that upside with Carr. He doesn't have that quickness and body control to create separation and get open. Hope I'm wrong but watching him play can't seem to think otherwise.

K Major 08-31-2019 05:12 PM
Re: NFL, Saints Cuts
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by blackangold (Post 853053)
Well... I was wrong about the Carr move. Hope it pans out. I thought Butler and Humphrey could add more grit and big bodies to our WRs. Outside of Thomas we have a group of WRs that are not physical at all. Looks like it's going to be the Thomas and Cook show... I still think Butler or Humphrey would have been the 3rd best WR on the roster.
It won't.

I guess when week 11 gets here and we are scouring for WR's due to injury because Carr can't provide anything, we can circle back to this thread as reference.

Hopefully Butler and/or Humphrey can make it on the practice squad but I believe Emmanuel Butler is all but gone.

blackangold 08-31-2019 05:27 PM
Re: NFL, Saints Cuts
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 853054)
Don't forget about Kirkwood...
I don't see kirkwood as a physical guy, he is a big body but not physical.

You don't need to be big to be physical, Steve Smith was a good example of that.


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