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jeanpierre 08-31-2019 03:22 PM
Re: NFL, Saints Cuts
 
Burton had his contract terminated as expected, Welcome Back - Zach Line, maybe the third TE, for now?

ChrisXVI 08-31-2019 03:26 PM
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DT Shy Tuttle made it too?!

jeanpierre 08-31-2019 03:32 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 853019)
DT Shy Tuttle made it too?!
Yes. He has been really showing up. He'll stay on still both Onyemata, Rankins are at 100% and active...

Beastmode 08-31-2019 03:34 PM
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Not surprised. Deonte Harris had lots of teams interested but chose the Saints. Smart move. He does one thing exceptionally well and Payton has been wanting that skill for a long time. He's a good WR too. When we had Sproles, he set the NFL AP single season record. Dude also has a lot of swagger about him which he should taking that many returns to the house in college.

jeanpierre 08-31-2019 03:54 PM
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Two TEs as big a surprise as both eBay Butler, Lil'Jordan being waived...

Cruize 08-31-2019 04:01 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 853012)
You never know the whole story. Attitude. Class room. Likability. But, the kid sure looked great on the field. Kamara gets exposed to so much in the offense and will get more touches with Ingram gone. Murray is just an average vet with an injury history. Washington has done nothing. Don't get it.

jeanpierre 08-31-2019 04:07 PM
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ChrisXVI 08-31-2019 04:11 PM
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Teams can start signing players to the practice squad tomorrow at 11 am CT.

jeanpierre 08-31-2019 04:12 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 853030)
Teams can start signing players to the practice squad tomorrow at 11 am CT.
https://media1.tenor.com/images/a906...temid=13446407

Beastmode 08-31-2019 04:12 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Cruize (Post 853024)
You never know the whole story. Attitude. Class room. Likability. But, the kid sure looked great on the field. Kamara gets exposed to so much in the offense and will get more touches with Ingram gone. Murray is just an average vet with an injury history. Washington has done nothing. Don't get it.

Special teams inexperience. He said he was trying but it was new to him. Sucks for me. I took him as a flyer. I did the same thing with Kamara so meh. I really thought Ozigbo was going to stick though.

K Major 08-31-2019 04:21 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 853011)
What exactly am I missing here with "no separation" Austin Carr?? This guy has done nothing in New Orleans, yet he's still on the roster.

Once we get past MT, Kamara and Cook, no one else is money (see 2018 playoffs) catching the football.

ChrisXVI 08-31-2019 04:23 PM
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Week one just got a little more interesting!

jeanpierre 08-31-2019 04:28 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 853035)
Week one just got a little more interesting!

It's gonna take some time to unpack and evaluate that one...

jeanpierre 08-31-2019 04:35 PM
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brees84 08-31-2019 04:38 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by K Major (Post 853034)
What exactly am I missing here with "no separation" Austin Carr?? This guy has done nothing in New Orleans, yet he's still on the roster.

Once we get past MT, Kamara and Cook, no one else is money (see 2018 playoffs) catching the football.
Yeah. Carr is small guy that can be easily guarded. Not the best attributes for slot WR. Or any type WR. Lance Moore was not that athletic but compared to Carr... Carr is not chain mover... Simple as that.

Rell&Gold 08-31-2019 04:44 PM
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Idk about these moves saints..... I'm questioning them for sure

K Major 08-31-2019 04:46 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 853012)
So much for my dark horse making the squad, however Dwayne was still a dawg (led the league in tackles) on special teams all camp and into pre season game before the cheap shot in NY.

Rell&Gold 08-31-2019 04:48 PM
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Mack, Arnold, Ozigbo, Butler, Humphreys, Carr makes it? Latvius Carr and Kirkwood better step up this year... I'm going to be a hard ass on them. Did #44 Sankey make it?

ChrisXVI 08-31-2019 04:48 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by K Major (Post 853034)
What exactly am I missing here with "no separation" Austin Carr?? This guy has done nothing in New Orleans, yet he's still on the roster.

Once we get past MT, Kamara and Cook, no one else is money (see 2018 playoffs) catching the football.
I wish I could remember who said it or what the exact wording was, but I remember reading a quote once that said something to the effect of “Payton will always go with the guys that have marginal physical talent if their football IQ is off the charts.” From what I understand, Austin Carr is incredibly intelligent and probably aces the classroom portion of things.

Rell&Gold 08-31-2019 04:54 PM
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Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 853046)
I wish I could remember who said it or what the exact wording was, but I remember reading a quote once that said something to the effect of “Payton will always go with the guys that have marginal physical talent if their football IQ is off the charts.” From what I understand, Austin Carr is incredibly intelligent and probably aces the classroom portion of things.
But it doesn't transfer to production

K Major 08-31-2019 04:55 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 853046)
I wish I could remember who said it or what the exact wording was, but I remember reading a quote once that said something to the effect of “Payton will always go with the guys that have marginal physical talent if their football IQ is off the charts.” From what I understand, Austin Carr is incredibly intelligent and probably aces the classroom portion of things.
It has yet to translate on Sunday's XVI.

Marginal talent usually goes home with an L. Production is all that matters at this level of football.

I expect the Saints to bring in proven vet @ WR at some point this season.

ChrisXVI 08-31-2019 05:00 PM
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So the Dolphins are in full-on tank mode and we have two TE’s on the roster... How about sending them a late pick for Mike Gesicki?

jeanpierre 08-31-2019 05:00 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by brees84 (Post 853042)
Yeah. Carr is small guy that can be easily guarded. Not the best attributes for slot WR. Or any type WR. Lance Moore was not that athletic but compared to Carr... Carr is not chain mover... Simple as that.
Check the history, you're opinion on the comparison may be premature...

#16 WR Lance Moore:

2006 CLE/NO Practice Squad

Year 1 2006 04 Gm, 00 GS, 003 Tgt, 01 Rec, 010 ReYd, 00 ReTd

Year 2 2007 16 Gm, 04 GS, 050 Tgt, 32 Rec, 302 ReYd, 02 ReTd

Year 3 2008 16 Gm, 06 GS, 121 Tgt, 79 Rec, 928 ReYd, 10 ReTd


#80 WR Austin Carr:

2017 Signed by NE as UDFA for 3 year/$1.67mil, released, Claimed on Waivers by Saints

Year 1 2017 01 Gm, 00 GS, 000 Tgt, 00 Rec, 000 ReYd, 00 ReTd

Year 2 2018 14 Gm, 02 GS, 014 Tgt, 09 Rec, 097 ReYd, 02 ReTd

Year 3 2019 ?? Gm, ?? GS, ??? Tgt, ?? Rec, ??? ReYd, ?? ReTd

Sources:

https://www.pro-football-reference.c...M/MoorLa00.htm

https://www.pro-football-reference.c...C/CarrAu00.htm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lance_Moore

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austin...rican_football)

Beastmode 08-31-2019 05:00 PM
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It could be we don't need that many RB's. Hill could do it if we were that desperate. He already kinda does on a limited scale. Ozigbo doesn't bring anything else to the table. If he was a good returner or tackler he would have made the team easily.

jeanpierre 08-31-2019 05:04 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 853049)
So the Dolphins are in full-on tank mode and we have two TE’s on the roster... How about sending them a late pick for Mike Gesicki?
Or an offensive lineman?

blackangold 08-31-2019 05:06 PM
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Well... I was wrong about the Carr move. Hope it pans out. I thought Butler and Humphrey could add more grit and big bodies to our WRs. Outside of Thomas we have a group of WRs that are not physical at all. Looks like it's going to be the Thomas and Cook show... I still think Butler or Humphrey would have been the 3rd best WR on the roster.

jeanpierre 08-31-2019 05:08 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by blackangold (Post 853053)
Well... I was wrong about the Carr move. Hope it pans out. I thought Butler and Humphrey could add more grit and big bodies to our WRs. Outside of Thomas we have a group of WRs that are not physical at all. Looks like it's going to be the Thomas and Cook show... I still think Butler or Humphrey would have been the 3rd best WR on the roster.
Don't forget about Kirkwood...

brees84 08-31-2019 05:09 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 853050)
Check the history, you're opinion on the comparison may be premature...

#16 WR Lance Moore:

2006 CLE/NO Practice Squad

Year 1 2006 04 Gm, 00 GS, 003 Tgt, 01 Rec, 010 ReYd, 00 ReTd

Year 2 2007 16 Gm, 04 GS, 050 Tgt, 32 Rec, 302 ReYd, 02 ReTd

Year 3 2008 16 Gm, 06 GS, 121 Tgt, 79 Rec, 928 ReYd, 10 ReTd


#80 WR Austin Carr:

2017 Signed by NE as UDFA for 3 year/$1.67mil, released, Claimed on Waivers by Saints

Year 1 2017 01 Gm, 00 GS, 000 Tgt, 00 Rec, 000 ReYd, 00 ReTd

Year 2 2018 14 Gm, 02 GS, 014 Tgt, 09 Rec, 097 ReYd, 02 ReTd

Year 3 2019 ?? Gm, ?? GS, ??? Tgt, ?? Rec, ??? ReYd, ?? ReTd

Sources:

https://www.pro-football-reference.c...M/MoorLa00.htm

https://www.pro-football-reference.c...C/CarrAu00.htm

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lance_Moore

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Austin...rican_football)
I just don't see that upside with Carr. He doesn't have that quickness and body control to create separation and get open. Hope I'm wrong but watching him play can't seem to think otherwise.

K Major 08-31-2019 05:12 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by blackangold (Post 853053)
Well... I was wrong about the Carr move. Hope it pans out. I thought Butler and Humphrey could add more grit and big bodies to our WRs. Outside of Thomas we have a group of WRs that are not physical at all. Looks like it's going to be the Thomas and Cook show... I still think Butler or Humphrey would have been the 3rd best WR on the roster.
It won't.

I guess when week 11 gets here and we are scouring for WR's due to injury because Carr can't provide anything, we can circle back to this thread as reference.

Hopefully Butler and/or Humphrey can make it on the practice squad but I believe Emmanuel Butler is all but gone.

blackangold 08-31-2019 05:27 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 853054)
Don't forget about Kirkwood...
I don't see kirkwood as a physical guy, he is a big body but not physical.

You don't need to be big to be physical, Steve Smith was a good example of that.

K Major 08-31-2019 05:37 PM
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Kirkwood missed a ton of camp.

Ice up. Season opener is almost here.

Rsanders24 08-31-2019 05:41 PM
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I don’t get Carr sticking around again...for a small WR he gets no separation and when given an opportunity does nothing. He doesn’t contribute in any other method. I honestly think that Brees needs the bigger targets especially at the end of the year when his arm starts to fade but I’m not in the coaching room so I guess we are all wrong with our evaluations.

The Dude 08-31-2019 07:04 PM
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So basically the same receiving corps as last year?

Lord_Saint83 08-31-2019 07:11 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 853061)
So basically the same receiving corps as last year?
Yea, the same group outside of thomas that couldn't get open to save their lives late in the year

ChrisXVI 08-31-2019 07:24 PM
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Players can’t get better after their rookie season?

blackangold 08-31-2019 07:28 PM
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I feel like Smith could have a breakout year... If I remember correctly there were some very positive reports of him in training camp, particularly about being more physical and getting separation... Really need him to step up, don't expect much from Carr or Kirk.

The Dude 08-31-2019 07:28 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Lord_Saint83 (Post 853062)
Yea, the same group outside of thomas that couldn't get open to save their lives late in the year
I don’t get a lot of these moves. 2 TE’s? I know there will be other moves and all but damn.
The question isn’t who got cut, it’s who didn’t get cut.

K Major 08-31-2019 07:33 PM
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At some point, I expect Sean Payton to bring in another vet at WR. I'm not holding my breath on Kirkwood and especially Carr.

I think Tre will be better though. Too bad seasoned vet Rishard Matthews didn't work out in NO.

** Recently released Redskin slot Josh Doctson is a guy I like.

AsylumGuido 08-31-2019 07:44 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 852967)
Josh LeReibus. Didn’t Guido say Strief told him he would be a starter?


Nope. By the way, I’m down here in Nola helping my son move. That’s why I haven’t been around much here.

AsylumGuido 08-31-2019 07:49 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Cruize (Post 853024)
You never know the whole story. Attitude. Class room. Likability. But, the kid sure looked great on the field. Kamara gets exposed to so much in the offense and will get more touches with Ingram gone. Murray is just an average vet with an injury history. Washington has done nothing. Don't get it.


What injury history?


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