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Rugby Saint II 09-03-2019 02:02 PM

Will Our Receivers Get Separation This Year?
 
If our O-line stays relatively healthy will we get separation this year with basically the same receivers?

halloween 65 09-03-2019 02:11 PM

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I think so with the addition of Cook it should open up nicely. Run game will need to be good to keep opposing D's off balance..The major factor will be Brees arm strength as the season gets longer.

CHA_CHING 09-03-2019 02:13 PM

Re: Will Our Receivers Get Separation This Year?
 
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Originally Posted by halloween 65 (Post 853393)
I think so with the addition of Cook it should open up nicely. Run game will need to be good to keep opposing D's off balance..The major factor will be Brees arm strength as the season gets longer.

Brees' health and arm strength is the biggest concern. He is 40 years old and for the final month of last season, he looked like he had fallen off a cliff. It was like late 2014 Peyton Manning with how his numbers tanked.

Our run game started to struggle last year with the o-line injuries, so that also is a concern.

TheOak 09-03-2019 02:39 PM

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I find the evolution of this discussion interesting. Yes, Brees has had a drop in strength over the years but his accuracy is still on par and his arm strength drop has been on the long ball. We have evolved from 'he will throw them open' to ' if can they get open'.

I wont attribute all of that to his arm strength, at one time he had receivers that weren't as high of a risk when trying to throw them open.

If you look at Drew's split stats 1-7 vs 8-16 he was injured the second half, it wasn't just strength. When the line goes to ****, QBs get injured.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/player/spli...580/drew-brees

jeanpierre 09-03-2019 02:51 PM

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Most, MOST, wide receivers in the NFL don't really break out effectively until their third full year in the league...

But we've one of the best pass schemes in the NFL, using WR size, with Coach Curtis' techniques, to take advantage of contemporary NFL Pass Defense Rules, using receivers' size to box out defenders...

So elite speed isn't necessary with the exception of the Flanker to hold, keep the Safety(s) back, opening the intermediate passing routes, or tearing the top of the defense off...

A really smart, prepared QB (Brees) can then make pre-snap reads and simply throw to "bucket" zones for the WR to shield off and make a catch, little faster, tighter, but essentially lobbing the ball into the paint...

jeanpierre 09-03-2019 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 853395)
I find the evolution of this discussion interesting. Yes, Brees has had a drop in strength over the years but his accuracy is still on par and his arm strength drop has been on the long ball. We have evolved from 'he will throw them open' to ' if can they get open'.

I wont attribute all of that to his arm strength, at one time he had receivers that weren't as high of a risk when trying to throw them open.

If you look at Drew's split stats 1-7 vs 8-16 he was injured the second half, it wasn't just strength. When the line goes to ****, QBs get injured.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/player/spli...580/drew-brees

More happened in the Dallas game than will be told in the next ten (10) years...

st thomas 09-03-2019 02:59 PM

Re: Will Our Receivers Get Separation This Year?
 
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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 853391)
If our O-line stays relatively healthy will we get separation this year with basically the same receivers?



It’s a prove it year for me , pass MT & Cook trequan needs to blow it up. Ted G. Is a drop from out the league. Carr well still brain scratcher. Kirkwood injury prone? Maybe not. It’s why we keep so many. Now watch my little donte Harris he will get open in the playoffs. He will shake some ass up. If he’s still has 2 legs left after the real bullets start flying. Jmo.

K Major 09-03-2019 03:00 PM

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I think Brees himself said it best @ this year's training camp ....

"Efficiency is what wins games, not arm strength".

Anyone remember Tom Brady "dink and dunk" his team all the way to the Super Bowl last season?

hitta 09-03-2019 03:04 PM

Re: Will Our Receivers Get Separation This Year?
 
Tre'Quan and Kirkwood are being greatly underestimated by our fan base right now. Tre'Quan is a future All-pro and Kirkwood has some major skills. Last year was their first year. The flashes I saw in both of them made me a believer. Most of their issues last year were things I believe are easy to correct. We will have one of the best receiving cores in the league this year and our problems last year will be quickly forgotten.

hitta 09-03-2019 03:05 PM

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Does anyone know where download links to the preseason games are?

st thomas 09-03-2019 03:10 PM

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Originally Posted by hitta (Post 853400)
Tre'Quan and Kirkwood are being greatly underestimated by our fan base right now. Tre'Quan is a future All-pro and Kirkwood has some major skills. Last year was their first year. The flashes I saw in both of them made me a believer. Most of their issues last year were things I believe are easy to correct. We will have one of the best receiving cores in the league this year and our problems last year will be quickly forgotten.



Like your positives. If trequan goes off it will be because of Cook being the beast besides MT. He needs to go off. To be all pro though .

Cruize 09-03-2019 03:20 PM

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Thomas will. Kamara will. Cooks will. Ginn will when coach says GO! Other than that, we'll just have to wait and see.

hitta 09-03-2019 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by st thomas (Post 853404)
Like your positives. If trequan goes off it will be because of Cook being the beast besides MT. He needs to go off. To be all pro though .

I'm not the most optimistic person IRL. The moment I saw Tre'Quan play I liked him though. I think he has some serious potential. I don't care about production a lot, especially in a young guy, cause it doesn't mean as much(it matters more as the player matures). Tre'Quan's footwork was holding him back last year. I've watched many clips of him in practice(as well as the preseason). You can tell he worked very hard on his footwork. I think he has very high innate ability, and he's also correcting things that held him back. You can't ask for more than that.

st thomas 09-03-2019 03:25 PM

Re: Will Our Receivers Get Separation This Year?
 
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Originally Posted by hitta (Post 853406)
I'm not the most optimistic person IRL. The moment I saw Tre'Quan play I liked him though. I think he has some serious potential. I don't care about production a lot, especially in a young guy, cause it doesn't mean as much(it matters more as the player matures). Tre'Quan's footwork was holding him back last year. I've watched many clips of him in practice(as well as the preseason). You can tell he worked very hard on his footwork. I think he has very high innate ability, and he's also correcting things that held him back. You can't ask for more than that.



We need his guy .

Beastmode 09-03-2019 03:39 PM

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Not many teams have two PB receivers. MT and Kamara, most teams don't even have one guy like that.

As for arm strength, he has not lost any strength. Endurance maybe but not strength. He can chunk it 60-70 yards. If he is throwing a lot of those we are in bad shape. The probability of completing those is extremely low.

There are probably players on every team that can kick it farther, throw it farther than the kicker and the QB. What they lack though is accuracy. But please, go sign Jamarcus Russel or someone like a Billy Joe Tolliver and see how that works out.

The Dude 09-03-2019 03:58 PM

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Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 853395)
I find the evolution of this discussion interesting. Yes, Brees has had a drop in strength over the years but his accuracy is still on par and his arm strength drop has been on the long ball. We have evolved from 'he will throw them open' to ' if can they get open'.

I wont attribute all of that to his arm strength, at one time he had receivers that weren't as high of a risk when trying to throw them open.

If you look at Drew's split stats 1-7 vs 8-16 he was injured the second half, it wasn't just strength. When the line goes to ****, QBs get injured.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/player/spli...580/drew-brees

Yep. I’ve been saying this all year. It’s not just coincidence that his numbers dropped around the time Armstead went down. By the time he got back Peat was pretty banged up. Same for Unger and Rami. His entire offensive line crumbled and we still managed to get as far as we did.
I question our offensive line and running game more than our receivers.
We have a rookie center, Peat and Armstead have both been injured already and I question our running game.
People also forget about Ingrams blocking.
TB was running for his life behind our number 2s, I doubt Brees would be much better with that kind of pressure.

ScottF 09-03-2019 05:44 PM

Re: Will Our Receivers Get Separation This Year?
 
Cook will help immensely, on many levels.
No separation by the WR's? He's the check down/ dump off. (Not Hill)
The safety will be need to take a step or two to Cook's side which will help the speedier guys get open quicker.
Either way, someone will be open this year.

SaintsBro 09-04-2019 09:31 AM

Re: Will Our Receivers Get Separation This Year?
 
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Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 853411)
Yep. I’ve been saying this all year. It’s not just coincidence that his numbers dropped around the time Armstead went down. By the time he got back Peat was pretty banged up. Same for Unger and Rami. His entire offensive line crumbled and we still managed to get as far as we did.
I question our offensive line and running game more than our receivers.

I'm with the Dude on this, I've also been into this idea for a long while. I'm not denying that there's nothing to the arm strength or "deep ball" worries -- of course there's a little concern, Drew is 40 after all. But I firmly believe that MOST of the accuracy problems at the end of last year, post-Cowboys game, were caused by Drew being anxious and nervous about his O line not being 100% around him, and him not knowing what was going to happen next.

Drew is a little guy. He's actually 5'11", but he made them re-measure him a second time, so he could stretch his neck out and get to 6'0". Those linemen are BIG. Basically any serious hit from any one of one of the big guys, could end Drew's career, like it almost did in San Diego. He knows this. He's already been through the gut-wrenching rehab of coming back from a serious, threatening, almost impossible injury, and he doesn't wanna do it a second time, ever again.

He's a great football player, but he's only human. If Daddy's not comfortable in the pocket at work, Daddy's not happy. And when Daddy's not happy, nobody's happy. When the O-line got banged up, Drew started to look completely different. And if you've watched him carefully for long enough, you can start to recognize the body language, the skittish footwork, the look in his eyes, and the DERP interceptions that make everybody groan. Those all happen when Drew isn't COMFORTABLE back there, and a lot of it is mental.

Because another thing about Drew being COMFORTABLE, is that Drew needs TIME to gel with the guys in his O-line, and he needs to KNOW THEM.

If the pocket is crumbling around him, Drew actually sorta knows, the mental clock in his head, and what each lineman is capable of -- he knows each lineman's skill set, their tendencies, and HOW the pocket will likely collapse under pressure around him. He knows the mental clock, for each guy -- Armstead can usually block his guy this long, Unger if he's getting beat will typically push his guy out this direction or that way, Peat can hold his spot for X number of seconds -- Drew knows how his pocket is going to crumble, before it actually does, and things like that can make all the difference in how Drew connects to the receiver.

If you change any ONE lineman in that mix, Drew has to suddenly get used to the whole new feel of the line protecting him, it changes the way the passing pocket falls apart around him, on every passing play, and that is what makes him SKITTISH. And the accuracy drops.

SmashMouth 09-04-2019 09:59 AM

Re: Will Our Receivers Get Separation This Year?
 
Still think Lil'Jordasn adds another dimension down the middle. Cook was brought in for that. And it will help. But there is something about Lil'Jordan and big plays... it's rather intoxicating.

K Major 09-04-2019 10:51 AM

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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 853458)
Still think Lil'Jordasn adds another dimension down the middle. Cook was brought in for that. And it will help. But there is something about Lil'Jordan and big plays... it's rather intoxicating.

It will not surprise me to see Jordan or Butler activated to the 53 man roster at some point this season.

Kirkwood won't stay healthy and Carr is just Carr.

WillMacKenzie 09-04-2019 12:22 PM

Re: Will Our Receivers Get Separation This Year?
 
So long as they don’t get separated from the football.

foreverfan 09-04-2019 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by hitta (Post 853400)
Tre'Quan and Kirkwood are being greatly underestimated by our fan base right now. Tre'Quan is a future All-pro and Kirkwood has some major skills. Last year was their first year. The flashes I saw in both of them made me a believer. Most of their issues last year were things I believe are easy to correct. We will have one of the best receiving cores in the league this year and our problems last year will be quickly forgotten.

I sure hope so but I only have one question....
What have you been smoking? :lolup:

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foreverfan 09-04-2019 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 853458)
Still think Lil'Jordasn adds another dimension down the middle. Cook was brought in for that. And it will help. But there is something about Lil'Jordan and big plays... it's rather intoxicating.

That make sense and I feel really good about that but...
Tell me when to exhale so I don't spill my drink and burn the seat in your new car. ;)

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st thomas 09-04-2019 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by foreverfan (Post 853474)
I sure hope so but I only have one question....
What have you been smoking? :lolup:

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I’m not laughing at hitters post I liked it to. But I’m in a grocery store lmao and getting pointed at.

saintfan 09-04-2019 02:54 PM

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hitta 09-04-2019 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by foreverfan (Post 853474)
I sure hope so but I only have one question....
What have you been smoking? :lolup:

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Lol, I'm going to bookmark this thread so I can laugh at your expense later :D

st thomas 09-04-2019 04:48 PM

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Mark this cat sniffing pot smoking thread now. Here’s mine donte Harris is going to be the difference in January .

foreverfan 09-04-2019 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by hitta (Post 853488)
Lol, I'm going to bookmark this thread so I can laugh at your expense later :D

Warning... Do you think that anybody has ever laughed at me on this site before? :rolleyes:

st thomas 09-04-2019 06:11 PM

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Originally Posted by foreverfan (Post 853496)
Warning... Do you think that anybody has ever laughed at me on this site before? :rolleyes:



U made my
Wednesday I tell u what.that pipe sucking cat omg

foreverfan 09-04-2019 06:35 PM

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Originally Posted by st thomas (Post 853497)
U made my
Wednesday I tell u what.that pipe sucking cat omg

Poor cat... If he only knew we were all laughing at him...

He could be dead by now. :shock:

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Thirty3 09-04-2019 08:27 PM

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Problems last year? 70 plus completion. Problem?

hitta 09-04-2019 08:28 PM

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Originally Posted by foreverfan (Post 853496)
Warning... Do you think that anybody has ever laughed at me on this site before? :rolleyes:

There's a huge difference though between laughing at you as a person and laughing at what you said. I will only do the later.

RailBoss 09-04-2019 08:55 PM

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foreverfan 09-04-2019 10:10 PM

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Originally Posted by hitta (Post 853508)
There's a huge difference though between laughing at you as a person and laughing at what you said. I will only do the later.

Love the song RailBoss... Don't you both mean laughing with me? :confused: :shock: :rolleyes: :lolup:

Don't get SmashMouth started with cat pics... :annoy: :mad: ;) :o

There have been hundreds of cat pictures posted over 12,977 posts of mine. ;)

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saintfan 09-04-2019 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by foreverfan (Post 853515)
Love the song RailBoss... Don't you both mean laughing with me? :confused: :shock: :rolleyes: :lolup:

Don't get SmashMouth started with cat pics... :annoy: :mad: ;) :o

There have been hundreds of cat pictures posted over 12,977 posts of mine. ;)

https://cdn.someecards.com/posts/dea...cebook-BCB.jpg

Hundreds? Me thinks you have underestimated...

SmashMouth 09-05-2019 08:26 AM

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Originally Posted by saintfan (Post 853517)
Hundreds? Me thinks you have underestimated...

Yes indeed...

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foreverfan 09-05-2019 12:32 PM

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Hitta is still a bit new to the great hidden parts of cat history on this website. :bng:

Rugby Saint II 09-05-2019 12:56 PM

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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 853541)

We've got cat scratch fever on the bng. Meow baby!

saintfan 09-05-2019 01:09 PM

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st thomas 09-05-2019 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by saintfan (Post 853580)



I have cat phobia now


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