Several points about the Texans game

Rsanders24 · 09-09-2019, 11:33 PM

Originally Posted by SaintSproles

1. Brees is the 3rd greatest QB of all time behind only Brady and Montana

2. Dennis Allen needs to be fired. That last drive is beyond unforgivable.

3. Marcus Williams is a God awful free safety and a liability to this team.

4. Sean Payton still hasn't learned his lesson about putting a game away with your offense on the field. Can't trust Brees to throw one more completion for a 1st down? After watching him complete a 40 yarder from his 15 yard line? Yeah you're a terrible clock/game manager.

5. Lutz is the second best kicker in football behind only Tucker

6. Saints could easily lose their next 3 games. This isn't close to being good enough.

Thoughts?

1. Nothing from Montana but he was a good QB surrounded by great players on both sides of the ball. I don’t think he’s #2.

2. At times I feel the same way about Allen but sometimes he dials up great game plans. That last drive had me scratching my head. I will wait until our DTs come back before passing judgement.

3. Williams is actually his best when he gets to roam. Except for that Minnesota Miracle he has been pretty good. Looks like they were playing quarters on the first completion of the Texans last drive so that wasn’t on him and neither was the TD to Stills.

4. In the NFCCG we threw a pass and everyone was like we should have ran the ball. Running the ball was the right call the defense just has to play better and the defensive calls have to be better.

5. Tucker missed against us last year. I’d take Lutz. He is automatic on turf.

6. None of the 3 teams we play next looked unbeatable. The only one that really looked good was Dallas. Houston is a good team with lots of speed and weapons. Don’t downplay this victory.

CHA_CHING · 09-09-2019, 11:49 PM

The only QBs I put Brees behind are Manning and Marino. I don't care how many rings Brady has, he's not better skilled than any of those 3.

Originally Posted by Rsanders24

4. In the NFCCG we threw a pass and everyone was like we should have ran the ball. Running the ball was the right call the defense just has to play better and the defensive calls have to be better.

Got me here. i thought running the ball and going for the field goal was the right call. Had no idea the Texans would go right down the field in just 2 plays.

We have a history of former Saints coming back and kicking our asses. Sam Mills did it for years with Carolina, Morten Andersen kicking game winning goals against us with Atlanta, Scott Fujita with Cleveland in 2010, etc etc. When Stills caught that pass, I felt like it was just another former Saint coming into town to beat us down.

The Dude · 09-09-2019, 11:50 PM

Originally Posted by SaintSproles

1. Brees is the 3rd greatest QB of all time behind only Brady and Montana

2. Dennis Allen needs to be fired. That last drive is beyond unforgivable.

3. Marcus Williams is a God awful free safety and a liability to this team.

4. Sean Payton still hasn't learned his lesson about putting a game away with your offense on the field. Can't trust Brees to throw one more completion for a 1st down? After watching him complete a 40 yarder from his 15 yard line? Yeah you're a terrible clock/game manager.

5. Lutz is the second best kicker in football behind only Tucker

6. Saints could easily lose their next 3 games. This isn't close to being good enough.

Thoughts?

1. Yea probably
2. DA has turned this defense from putrid to pretty good for 2 solid years. That’s consistency and you want to knee jerk react and fire him after 1. Game. We had 6 sacks on a mobile Qb and a TO against a VERY TALENTED offense not to mention the best receiver in the league. Got off to a slow start and definitely room for improvement but our defense always starts slow. At least they made adjustments that paid off during the game as opposed to making them after a loss like years past.

3. Williams needs to prove himself but it was PJ Williams who was more of a liability tonight.

4. Pretty decent clock management if you take away the 10 seconds that magically disappeared and a receiver who tries to get yardage instead of just going down like he should have. I would have liked for us to have run the ball more to keep our D off the field.

5. Yep

The game had its low points but we won and will have momentum and confidence going into LA. Our defense is missing 2 key players. I saw a lot of pressure on Watson tonight, something we haven’t seen in years.
We played a good, physical football team tonight. We had some mistakes but the defense will only get better and our offense found a good rythem going back to spreading the ball around. I expect Brees gets more comfortable throwing to Cook and Murray.
Our offensive line looked better than I thought. Overall I’m happy about what I saw week one. Week 5 and we are doing the same **** then maybe I worry.

CHA_CHING · 09-09-2019, 11:58 PM

Our next 3 games are going to be tough.

I predicted weeks ago that we could easily start the season off 1-3.

Rams on the road will be no cake walk and it will be their fourth time getting to play us (counting 2017). Go back to the NFCCG and they pretty much had our offense figured out by the 4th quarter. I don't expect us to go in there and score 30 points.

We absolutely cannot commit penalties against the Rams like tonight. If we play sloppy and make a bunch of bone headed penalties, expect to get blown out. They're going to be motivated to try and humiliate us after we spent the entire summer endlessly talking about the non-call.

Seahawks - When is the last time we won on the road in Seattle? Very tough place to play and Wilson is the type of QB we struggle against. On the flip side, Seattle really deserved to lose yesterday and didn't look like a solid team.

Dallas - My biggest concern early in the season. Dallas was the team that figured us out last year and wrote the blueprint on how to completely shut our offense down and grind them into a halt. These guys will be expecting our gameplan to heavily involve Kamara and MT. It's on Payton if he wants to walk right into that trap.

Also, Dak Prescott ABUSED Eli Apple when we played them last year. Prescott actually had a decent game against us last year despite being sacked a ton. He's also coming off the best game by a Cowboys QB since 1969. Their offense looks way better this year. If we put Apple on Amari Cooper again, it's going to be a long night.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 09-10-2019, 12:07 AM

Originally Posted by CHA_CHING

Seahawks - When is the last time we won on the road in Seattle? Very tough place to play and Wilson is the type of QB we struggle against. On the flip side, Seattle really deserved to lose yesterday and didn't look like a solid team.

Last Saints win in Seattle was 2007. That was the game Reggie Bush ran the ball like 20 times for nearly 100 yards.

SFIAH

TheOak · 09-10-2019, 04:26 AM

I’ll add a couple.

1. First time I’ve seen the defense come out on fire from the start of game 1. Not saying they played up to their potential but they swarmed and played hard.

2. Kamara put the ball on the ground more than I’m comfortable with.

3. Special teams is looking better than I remember. Nice return game.

cmike · 09-10-2019, 04:37 AM

Originally Posted by foreverfan

Last play before the kick to win the game... if the Texan's player wouldn't have touched Ted Ginn Jr., the 2 seconds on the game would have ran out and the game would have ended before we called timeout.

Teddy gave himself up, he wouldn’t have been able to advance the ball. It’s the same as a QB sliding. The play is over.

Garry42 · 09-10-2019, 06:22 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

I’ll add a couple.

1. First time I’ve seen the defense come out on fire from the start of game 1. Not saying they played up to their potential but they swarmed and played hard.

2. Kamara put the ball on the ground more than I’m comfortable with.

3. Special teams is looking better than I remember. Nice return game.

1) Yep
2) Yep
3) Yep, but Harris needs to make better decisions as a returner. He gets a pass for the first game, but definitely some coaching is needed.

ScottF · 09-10-2019, 07:37 AM

Originally Posted by Garry42

3) Yep, but Harris needs to make better decisions as a returner. He gets a pass for the first game, but definitely some coaching is needed.

He was scary back there...for both teams.
After the fair catch at the 3 he seemed gun shy

WhoDatQB · 09-10-2019, 07:50 AM

Originally Posted by SaintSproles

1. Brees is the 3rd greatest QB of all time behind only Brady and Montana

2. Dennis Allen needs to be fired. That last drive is beyond unforgivable.

3. Marcus Williams is a God awful free safety and a liability to this team.

4. Sean Payton still hasn't learned his lesson about putting a game away with your offense on the field. Can't trust Brees to throw one more completion for a 1st down? After watching him complete a 40 yarder from his 15 yard line? Yeah you're a terrible clock/game manager.

5. Lutz is the second best kicker in football behind only Tucker

6. Saints could easily lose their next 3 games. This isn't close to being good enough.

Thoughts?

1. Absolutely top 5, probably top 3. Never sat around and thought about it.

2.Dennis Allen will be fine. Our D line (except for the sacks) looked god awful. Neither Jordan nor Davenport held their lines against the run. Containment is a big deal against a mobile QB, and our's was shiiiiiiiiiiiitttttt. It killed us on a ton of running plays. If they had run Hyde more often, I think the outcome could've changed because our DT's were gashed most of the first half and part of the third quarter.

3. Marcus scares me some times, I will agree with that. He is not god awful. PJ scares me more, Apple scares me only slightly less.

4. At the point of this game I agree. We had been gashed for long runs, and we had forgotten how to cover. Plus Hopkins is sorta good. Put the game away. Had Rankins and Ony been there and the defense not getting gashed, then maybe I run the ball.

5. I will take Lutz over any current kicker. Stats be damned.

6. They could lose the next 3. They could also lose the next three after that or the three after that.

We found a way to win. The difference in a season of a good team that goes 9-7 and a good team that goes 12-4 is often a good break, or gutting out a few wins. In years past we would've lost this game every time.

09-09-2019, 11:33 PM	#11
Rsanders24 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Baton Rouge, LA. Posts: 1,225	Re: Several points about the Texans game Originally Posted by SaintSproles 1. Brees is the 3rd greatest QB of all time behind only Brady and Montana 2. Dennis Allen needs to be fired. That last drive is beyond unforgivable. 3. Marcus Williams is a God awful free safety and a liability to this team. 4. Sean Payton still hasn't learned his lesson about putting a game away with your offense on the field. Can't trust Brees to throw one more completion for a 1st down? After watching him complete a 40 yarder from his 15 yard line? Yeah you're a terrible clock/game manager. 5. Lutz is the second best kicker in football behind only Tucker 6. Saints could easily lose their next 3 games. This isn't close to being good enough. Thoughts? 1. Nothing from Montana but he was a good QB surrounded by great players on both sides of the ball. I don’t think he’s #2. 2. At times I feel the same way about Allen but sometimes he dials up great game plans. That last drive had me scratching my head. I will wait until our DTs come back before passing judgement. 3. Williams is actually his best when he gets to roam. Except for that Minnesota Miracle he has been pretty good. Looks like they were playing quarters on the first completion of the Texans last drive so that wasn’t on him and neither was the TD to Stills. 4. In the NFCCG we threw a pass and everyone was like we should have ran the ball. Running the ball was the right call the defense just has to play better and the defensive calls have to be better. 5. Tucker missed against us last year. I’d take Lutz. He is automatic on turf. 6. None of the 3 teams we play next looked unbeatable. The only one that really looked good was Dallas. Houston is a good team with lots of speed and weapons. Don’t downplay this victory. iceshack149, foreverfan and Rell&Gold like this.

09-09-2019, 11:49 PM	#12
CHA_CHING 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: Mobile, AL Posts: 1,159	Re: Several points about the Texans game The only QBs I put Brees behind are Manning and Marino. I don't care how many rings Brady has, he's not better skilled than any of those 3. Originally Posted by Rsanders24 4. In the NFCCG we threw a pass and everyone was like we should have ran the ball. Running the ball was the right call the defense just has to play better and the defensive calls have to be better. Got me here. i thought running the ball and going for the field goal was the right call. Had no idea the Texans would go right down the field in just 2 plays. We have a history of former Saints coming back and kicking our asses. Sam Mills did it for years with Carolina, Morten Andersen kicking game winning goals against us with Atlanta, Scott Fujita with Cleveland in 2010, etc etc. When Stills caught that pass, I felt like it was just another former Saint coming into town to beat us down. jnormand likes this.

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The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 8,444	Re: Several points about the Texans game Originally Posted by SaintSproles 1. Brees is the 3rd greatest QB of all time behind only Brady and Montana 2. Dennis Allen needs to be fired. That last drive is beyond unforgivable. 3. Marcus Williams is a God awful free safety and a liability to this team. 4. Sean Payton still hasn't learned his lesson about putting a game away with your offense on the field. Can't trust Brees to throw one more completion for a 1st down? After watching him complete a 40 yarder from his 15 yard line? Yeah you're a terrible clock/game manager. 5. Lutz is the second best kicker in football behind only Tucker 6. Saints could easily lose their next 3 games. This isn't close to being good enough. Thoughts? 1. Yea probably 2. DA has turned this defense from putrid to pretty good for 2 solid years. That’s consistency and you want to knee jerk react and fire him after 1. Game. We had 6 sacks on a mobile Qb and a TO against a VERY TALENTED offense not to mention the best receiver in the league. Got off to a slow start and definitely room for improvement but our defense always starts slow. At least they made adjustments that paid off during the game as opposed to making them after a loss like years past. 3. Williams needs to prove himself but it was PJ Williams who was more of a liability tonight. 4. Pretty decent clock management if you take away the 10 seconds that magically disappeared and a receiver who tries to get yardage instead of just going down like he should have. I would have liked for us to have run the ball more to keep our D off the field. 5. Yep The game had its low points but we won and will have momentum and confidence going into LA. Our defense is missing 2 key players. I saw a lot of pressure on Watson tonight, something we haven’t seen in years. We played a good, physical football team tonight. We had some mistakes but the defense will only get better and our offense found a good rythem going back to spreading the ball around. I expect Brees gets more comfortable throwing to Cook and Murray. Our offensive line looked better than I thought. Overall I’m happy about what I saw week one. Week 5 and we are doing the same **** then maybe I worry. Garry42 likes this.
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09-09-2019, 11:58 PM	#14
CHA_CHING 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: Mobile, AL Posts: 1,159	Re: Several points about the Texans game Our next 3 games are going to be tough. I predicted weeks ago that we could easily start the season off 1-3. Rams on the road will be no cake walk and it will be their fourth time getting to play us (counting 2017). Go back to the NFCCG and they pretty much had our offense figured out by the 4th quarter. I don't expect us to go in there and score 30 points. We absolutely cannot commit penalties against the Rams like tonight. If we play sloppy and make a bunch of bone headed penalties, expect to get blown out. They're going to be motivated to try and humiliate us after we spent the entire summer endlessly talking about the non-call. Seahawks - When is the last time we won on the road in Seattle? Very tough place to play and Wilson is the type of QB we struggle against. On the flip side, Seattle really deserved to lose yesterday and didn't look like a solid team. Dallas - My biggest concern early in the season. Dallas was the team that figured us out last year and wrote the blueprint on how to completely shut our offense down and grind them into a halt. These guys will be expecting our gameplan to heavily involve Kamara and MT. It's on Payton if he wants to walk right into that trap. Also, Dak Prescott ABUSED Eli Apple when we played them last year. Prescott actually had a decent game against us last year despite being sacked a ton. He's also coming off the best game by a Cowboys QB since 1969. Their offense looks way better this year. If we put Apple on Amari Cooper again, it's going to be a long night.

09-10-2019, 12:07 AM	#15
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,385	Re: Several points about the Texans game Originally Posted by CHA_CHING Seahawks - When is the last time we won on the road in Seattle? Very tough place to play and Wilson is the type of QB we struggle against. On the flip side, Seattle really deserved to lose yesterday and didn't look like a solid team. Last Saints win in Seattle was 2007. That was the game Reggie Bush ran the ball like 20 times for nearly 100 yards. SFIAH

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TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 18,383	Re: Several points about the Texans game I’ll add a couple. 1. First time I’ve seen the defense come out on fire from the start of game 1. Not saying they played up to their potential but they swarmed and played hard. 2. Kamara put the ball on the ground more than I’m comfortable with. 3. Special teams is looking better than I remember. Nice return game. SmashMouth and Garry42 like this.

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cmike 500th Post Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Gulfport Posts: 645	Re: Several points about the Texans game Originally Posted by foreverfan Last play before the kick to win the game... if the Texan's player wouldn't have touched Ted Ginn Jr., the 2 seconds on the game would have ran out and the game would have ended before we called timeout. Teddy gave himself up, he wouldn’t have been able to advance the ball. It’s the same as a QB sliding. The play is over. Rsanders24 and SmashMouth like this.

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Garry42 Site Donor 2014 Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Edmonton, Canada Posts: 785	Re: Several points about the Texans game Originally Posted by TheOak I’ll add a couple. 1. First time I’ve seen the defense come out on fire from the start of game 1. Not saying they played up to their potential but they swarmed and played hard. 2. Kamara put the ball on the ground more than I’m comfortable with. 3. Special teams is looking better than I remember. Nice return game. 1) Yep 2) Yep 3) Yep, but Harris needs to make better decisions as a returner. He gets a pass for the first game, but definitely some coaching is needed.

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ScottF 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 6,324	Re: Several points about the Texans game Originally Posted by Garry42 3) Yep, but Harris needs to make better decisions as a returner. He gets a pass for the first game, but definitely some coaching is needed. He was scary back there...for both teams. After the fair catch at the 3 he seemed gun shy

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WhoDatQB Boondock Saint Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: F***ing Atlanta Posts: 322	Re: Several points about the Texans game Originally Posted by SaintSproles 1. Brees is the 3rd greatest QB of all time behind only Brady and Montana 2. Dennis Allen needs to be fired. That last drive is beyond unforgivable. 3. Marcus Williams is a God awful free safety and a liability to this team. 4. Sean Payton still hasn't learned his lesson about putting a game away with your offense on the field. Can't trust Brees to throw one more completion for a 1st down? After watching him complete a 40 yarder from his 15 yard line? Yeah you're a terrible clock/game manager. 5. Lutz is the second best kicker in football behind only Tucker 6. Saints could easily lose their next 3 games. This isn't close to being good enough. Thoughts? 1. Absolutely top 5, probably top 3. Never sat around and thought about it. 2.Dennis Allen will be fine. Our D line (except for the sacks) looked god awful. Neither Jordan nor Davenport held their lines against the run. Containment is a big deal against a mobile QB, and our's was shiiiiiiiiiiiitttttt. It killed us on a ton of running plays. If they had run Hyde more often, I think the outcome could've changed because our DT's were gashed most of the first half and part of the third quarter. 3. Marcus scares me some times, I will agree with that. He is not god awful. PJ scares me more, Apple scares me only slightly less. 4. At the point of this game I agree. We had been gashed for long runs, and we had forgotten how to cover. Plus Hopkins is sorta good. Put the game away. Had Rankins and Ony been there and the defense not getting gashed, then maybe I run the ball. 5. I will take Lutz over any current kicker. Stats be damned. 6. They could lose the next 3. They could also lose the next three after that or the three after that. We found a way to win. The difference in a season of a good team that goes 9-7 and a good team that goes 12-4 is often a good break, or gutting out a few wins. In years past we would've lost this game every time. jnormand, SmashMouth and SaintsBro like this.

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