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hitta 09-19-2019 08:39 PM

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we do any trade involving Marshon Lattimore for Jalen Ramsey, I will quit watching this team. I know it's unlikely but some people have suggested something like that, stating that we should give up Lattimore and a 1st rounder for Ramsey.

1. I think Lattimore hasn't hit his ceiling yet and has a lot of room for potential growth. I really think that in a few years, Lattimore is going to be the best corner in football.

2. I'm not even convinced that Ramsey is better now at this stage in their careers. Eli Apple is imho is not a good corner. He is better than Crawley, but overall he is rather mediocre. I think we run a lot of different things that has Lattimore or other defensive backs compensating for this hole in our defense. I think sometimes it looks like he's giving up something, but he doesn't get any help at all or is trying to do too much. I think you'd learn very quickly that Ramsey succumbs to many of the same things that Lattimore does.

3. Ramsey is piss poor locker room guy, who always has poor impulse control and is always spouting his opinion about something. I don't have anything against players having opinions or even being expressive. It's obvious to me though that when he talks, his opinions are not refined and thought out. I think he just yaps in order to get some sort of external approval. He just seems like a try-hard to me.

Ramsey is not worth 2 1st round picks to any team, and I don't think I'd give up anything more than a 1st rounder for him as the Saints GM(if I'd even give that). We already have a fairly dominant corner, and I think he is overrated. He is certainly not worth betting the farm on.

The Dude 09-19-2019 09:48 PM

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Lattimore always starts slow. He will step it up. He is as critical of her myself as anyone is. Not worried. I think Apple will be fine too.
Our Dbs have given up some plays but it’s mostly a matter of the going up against elite to very good receivers. They have been out matched.
What I don’t see this year is a ton of miscommunication and blown coverage. That was a huge problem the first part of last year.

vpheughan 09-20-2019 07:20 AM

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foreverfan 09-20-2019 09:16 AM

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Aint happening in your lifetime.

st thomas 09-20-2019 12:32 PM

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We need online in draft and another hit on a db . Peat is finished no heart left jmo. We can hit on another Ramchek or McCoy in the first couple of rounds . Apple is probably well let’s just see how he finishes.

The Dude 09-20-2019 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by st thomas (Post 856683)
We need online in draft and another hit on a db . Peat is finished no heart left jmo. We can hit on another Ramchek or McCoy in the first couple of rounds . Apple is probably well let’s just see how he finishes.

Haven’t given up on Apple.

jeanpierre 09-20-2019 01:29 PM

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Originally Posted by hitta (Post 856601)
we do any trade involving Marshon Lattimore for Jalen Ramsey, I will quit watching this team. I know it's unlikely but some people have suggested something like that, stating that we should give up Lattimore and a 1st rounder for Ramsey.


Hitta, this is a hypothetical discussion and the chances of it happening are next to nil...

That said, it's not a case of giving up on Lattimore as it would acquiring a once-in-a-generation talent at the position...

I'm all for Lattimore and want, no expect, better play from him; but Ramsay is the best cornerback in the league...

So, as the question posed would you trade Lattimore and say a third for Ramsay? My response would be "All week and twice on Sunday"...

And we'd have to see tremendous uptick in his performance before I'd change my mind...

Rell&Gold 09-20-2019 01:39 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by hitta (Post 856601)
we do any trade involving Marshon Lattimore for Jalen Ramsey, I will quit watching this team. I know it's unlikely but some people have suggested something like that, stating that we should give up Lattimore and a 1st rounder for Ramsey.

1. I think Lattimore hasn't hit his ceiling yet and has a lot of room for potential growth. I really think that in a few years, Lattimore is going to be the best corner in football.

2. I'm not even convinced that Ramsey is better now at this stage in their careers. Eli Apple is imho is not a good corner. He is better than Crawley, but overall he is rather mediocre. I think we run a lot of different things that has Lattimore or other defensive backs compensating for this hole in our defense. I think sometimes it looks like he's giving up something, but he doesn't get any help at all or is trying to do too much. I think you'd learn very quickly that Ramsey succumbs to many of the same things that Lattimore does.

3. Ramsey is piss poor locker room guy, who always has poor impulse control and is always spouting his opinion about something. I don't have anything against players having opinions or even being expressive. It's obvious to me though that when he talks, his opinions are not refined and thought out. I think he just yaps in order to get some sort of external approval. He just seems like a try-hard to me.

Ramsey is not worth 2 1st round picks to any team, and I don't think I'd give up anything more than a 1st rounder for him as the Saints GM(if I'd even give that). We already have a fairly dominant corner, and I think he is overrated. He is certainly not worth betting the farm on.

Ramsey is better than Lattimore, CLEARLY better. He doesn't just EDGE Lattimore he's a whole tier or two better than Lattimore two different classes dude.

Rugby Saint II 09-20-2019 01:48 PM

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I'd rather draft future stars and stick with what we have in house.

Rell&Gold 09-20-2019 02:15 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by hitta (Post 856601)
we do any trade involving Marshon Lattimore for Jalen Ramsey, I will quit watching this team. I know it's unlikely but some people have suggested something like that, stating that we should give up Lattimore and a 1st rounder for Ramsey.

1. I think Lattimore hasn't hit his ceiling yet and has a lot of room for potential growth. I really think that in a few years, Lattimore is going to be the best corner in football.

2. I'm not even convinced that Ramsey is better now at this stage in their careers. Eli Apple is imho is not a good corner. He is better than Crawley, but overall he is rather mediocre. I think we run a lot of different things that has Lattimore or other defensive backs compensating for this hole in our defense. I think sometimes it looks like he's giving up something, but he doesn't get any help at all or is trying to do too much. I think you'd learn very quickly that Ramsey succumbs to many of the same things that Lattimore does.

3. Ramsey is piss poor locker room guy, who always has poor impulse control and is always spouting his opinion about something. I don't have anything against players having opinions or even being expressive. It's obvious to me though that when he talks, his opinions are not refined and thought out. I think he just yaps in order to get some sort of external approval. He just seems like a try-hard to me.

Ramsey is not worth 2 1st round picks to any team, and I don't think I'd give up anything more than a 1st rounder for him as the Saints GM(if I'd even give that). We already have a fairly dominant corner, and I think he is overrated. He is certainly not worth betting the farm on.

Ramsey is better than Lattimore, CLEARLY better. He doesn't just EDGE Lattimore he's a whole tier or two better than Lattimore two different classes dude.

jeanpierre 09-20-2019 04:39 PM

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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 856695)
I'd rather draft future stars and stick with what we have in house.

Well I've posted, stated more than once that I prefer building teams by draft vs Free Agency, only keeping expensive veterans at the premium positions (e.g. QB, X-WR, LT, C, RG, CB, FS, DE, K)...

That said, if we had a chance to get Jalen Ramsey, the best pure coverage CB since Deion Sanders (and yes, I include Revis in that range), you damn straight, Skippy, I'm making that deal happen...

I'd have Beyoncé with the Sweet Dreams Dancers in Jax crooning to whomever it took to make Ramsey a Saint - I'd make it happen; and forget about that side of the D for eight years - the man is only 24yo...

On second thought, I'd pay Beyoncé for an encore performance of Baby Boy to close the deal...

Lord_Saint83 09-20-2019 05:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Rell&Gold (Post 856702)
Ramsey is better than Lattimore, CLEARLY better. He doesn't just EDGE Lattimore he's a whole tier or two better than Lattimore two different classes dude.


Ok, imma say this, yes Ramsey better than Lattimore but i think they are closer than you give him credit. His rookie year he was on par with Ramsey and his second year he started slow but returned close to form. Now this year he looks lost and i honestly think its the scheme and highly questionable play calling by Payton's favorite crony DA

jeanpierre 09-20-2019 05:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Lord_Saint83 (Post 856733)
Ok, imma say this, yes Ramsey better than Lattimore but i think they are closer than you give him credit. His rookie year he was on par with Ramsey and his second year he started slow but returned close to form. Now this year he looks lost and i honestly think its the scheme and highly questionable play calling by Payton's favorite crony DA

A great player would have the credibility to walk into that office and tell DA his scheme sucks, and it'd get changed...

Do I think they're that far off? not by much. But that difference can be one play - and we know what one play can do...

Lord_Saint83 09-20-2019 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 856738)
A great player would have the credibility to walk into that office and tell DA his scheme sucks, and it'd get changed...

Do I think they're that far off? not by much. But that difference can be one play - and we know what one play can do...

But he is still young JP and might not think he's got enough time put in to make such a demand. I would but he might not feel that way not to create any waves.

K Major 09-20-2019 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 856738)
A great player would have the credibility to walk into that office and tell DA his scheme sucks, and it'd get changed...

I've given up on Allen's defensive philosophy. He's simply not the man for the DC job in my humble opinion.

jeanpierre 09-20-2019 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by Lord_Saint83 (Post 856755)
But he is still young JP and might not think he's got enough time put in to make such a demand. I would but he might not feel that way not to create any waves.


No, it's not about going in and making a demand; a great player is a smart player, and use tact to help D.A. come to the realization the defense is flawed through a healthy, vigorous, positive didactic discussion...

jeanpierre 09-20-2019 08:00 PM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 856757)
I've given up on Allen's defensive philosophy. He's simply not the man for the DC job in my humble opinion.

I'd say he's definitely at maximum challenge of his current skill-set...

Probably a lot of pressure there to not fall back to Rob Ryan level...


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