Why is Lattimore Slipping?
 

Most Yards Allowed in Coverage [All Cornerbacks, 2019]
1. Marshon Lattimore (334)
2. DeAndre Baker (296)
3. Janoris Jenkins (287)
4. Johnathan Joseph (279)
5. Vernon Hargreaves (236)

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He gives up a deep pass every game. Other than that he plays pretty good. He’s gotta get that head around and maintain better position.

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He is the worst CB through 3 weeks... that’s shocking, didn’t think he was that bad.

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Yeah, Lattimore and this year's/last year's defense in one particular way is very reminiscent of 2009. Even in our Super Bowl year, that defense would usually give up at least ONE big burner play, every game, usually (but not always) in the 1st half. And then they'd settle down. Also remember last year the defense got much better as the year went on and people got comfortable in their roles. That is a characteristic of Allen's defenses that can be a little annoying, frustrating at times -- they get burned and give stuff up every once in a while, but when they dial it in, they usually get enough stops or big plays to win the day.

I'm not saying he's perfect, he obviously needs to improve, and fast But I do have a feeling this will come with time. Last year the defense was very spotty at the start of the year, and by the end of the season I felt very confident whenever they were out there.

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My problem is seeing Klein trying to cover their fastest WR. That ain't never going to work.

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Part of it is that dumb soft Coverage that DA calls every game when we are up. He does need to do better with his positioning and locating the ball when in the air.

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Anzalone will be missed that is for certain.

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Latt hasn't played well however all I know is that Hopkins, B Cooks/Kupp and Lockett are STUD WR's with mobile (minus Goff) QBs. Just be glad we won't have to face scrambling QB's such as Desean Watson and Wilson any time soon.

Anytime he plays in man, he's done ok. It's mostly zone where he gets picked apart.

I expect Lattimore to improve. He knows it.

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Seems like they are playing a lot more zone this year than last. Am I wrong?

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Last year he got off to a slow start too. Maybe that is his nature. As long as he finishes strong, we can work with it.

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He covers the best in a passing league where all of the rules favors the offense. The Saints mostly play an off man/zone scheme which is going to give up a lot of yards. The idea is not all in one play. The ghost of the Minnesota Miracle. Plus, I think he gets a little lazy and lacks concentration sometimes. He has supreme athletic ability. If he had supreme "want to" he would consistently be one of the best.

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He's the best that we have on the roster. Our only other option is to trade for a player who may not do as well. Apple was an upgrade, but not by much, when we traded for him last year and he cost us a third round draft pick.

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Some of these deep passes being completed have a bit of luck involved imo, with the ball ending up in a spot that I believe is just luck and ends in misfortune at times for us.
One thing thats got my attention the last few years is failclowns melted ice strategically throwing up a friggin prayer once a game looking for PI, and it was working with the zebras cocked,locked,and loaded itching to exercise their elbow.
I believe some of those are about to start being picked or just hitting the field.

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The Td pass that klein gave up was really on good ole Williams. (#26) Klein looked pissed. He is good against the run but he sucks in coverage.

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I was just watching some highlights and I did see a lot of catches being made in very good coverage.

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Your right on . I never going to argue when the effort is there. Or if a player slips down and gives up a big one . But when u get burnt because you decided to peak in the backfield on man coverage .

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cuz he sucks.... just like eli apple sucks,.... and that other deep back williams....they all get burned out the blocks.

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Map c u alrite it’s early in the season. Let them jell up a few more

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Lattimore blames it on playing more zone. I’m not sure I buy that being the issue. If it’s cover 3 he’s still getting beat in his third of the field.

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Sounds like similar issues with Ramsey (in addition to wanting more money) as of late. Through 3 weeks of play, we rank 30th against the pass & last year it was close to dead last. Those dawgs on the D line are doing their job. Coach Allen needs to put his play makers in better position to succeed. You know ... just how Sean P and Carmichael did with Teddy B. Game plan around his strengths.

I refuse to believe Lattimore, Williams, Apple can be this bad on the back end.

We must improve in the secondary. No excuses.

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People are saying that we’ve probably played a lot more zone so far this season because of the offenses we’ve faced. Watson and Wilson have mobility and escapability so Dennis Allen wanted our DB’s to keep things in front of them. I can understand that thinking. The problem is that we have press-man CB’s. I would expect to see more struggles in zone coverage against the Cowboys.

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Saints Film Room: What’s going on with Marshon Lattimore and New Orleans’ defensive backs?

https://theathletic.com/1237044/

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I always hated zone growing up. I wanted to play man coverage all game. I always felt like zone took away some of your aggression. When I got to high school that’s all they wanted to play. It was either Cover 3 or Cover 6; deep thirds or the flats. The thing about zone, there’s thinking involved. Let’s say they run a smash concept and I’m in a Cover 2/Flats shell, technically I’m supposed to come up and stop the curl but also make it harder to throw the corner by squeezing the window down. So what if I see the corner route flash open because the safety was late so I leave the curl wide open? What if I choose the curl and the safety gets beat for the corner? Zone is just different and you’re relying SO heavily on your teammates to do their job. They can really make you look bad. Obviously our players want to play freely and fly around. I don’t blame them.

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Rez get out there and coach his asre up

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Rez, I really hope you’ll consider sharing more insight about what you see with our secondary. It’s fun reading your more in-depth breakdowns.

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Well guys, all I can say is people just need to be where they’re supposed to be in zone. If you’re in deep thirds then get back. Don’t worry about the curls and the comebacks. That kept me in trouble early on until I realized my responsibility was to not get beat deep. From that point on I never did. I just kept it all in front of me. Linebackers are supposed to get out there underneath curls and patrol the flats. Strong Safety and MLB sits on slants. Just don’t get beat deep.

Cover 3 is a bend but don’t break defense as it is and we run it a lot because it looks similar to Cover 1 pre snap (single high safety). For some reason we like that single high safety look with Williams patrolling the entire back end. I don’t think he really has that kind of range and athleticism but whatever. I just don’t think we have the right personnel to run the scheme Allen wants to run. If he wanted to run Cover 3 and Cover 1 they should have spent all their free agency money on Earl Thomas or kick the tires on Eric Berry. We also don’t have good coverage linebackers. We have run stuffers.

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That's some great insight rez. The one thing I know about zone coverage is that with coach Payton scheming and Drew Brees throwing the ball we can slice the defenses in the seams. To me that is where the weakness is with zone coverage. Payton is a genius at clearing out zones and then having the players settle into the seam for a reception.

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Not the way he was playing to start the season no he won't. Now if last years ANZALONE was planning to show up then yeah he'll be missed but that guy seemed to take the wrong exit for the season

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The seams are wide open in the Cover 3, especially if your run 4 verticals. Cover 2 is open right down the middle as well as the corner route depending on if it’s sink or hard flats. Cover 4 should lock up the seams. Cover 6 can be vulnerable to the seams, so overall you’re right. A lot of coverages are weak there.

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Agree. Anzalone should not be starting and is mostly useful for spectacular plays every now and then in a pass defense or blitz.

Too many of the remaining plays he is a liability.

Team run at right where he was and is supposed to be. He often runs right into the trash. Robertson plays better.

Anzalone and S. Anthony are high ceiling "potentials." Don't care about potential - only results.

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It's quite obvious that he was injured.

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I try to learn something everyday. You have filled my quota for the day. Thanks rez.:D

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I would subtract all stats from the Rams game and see where we were, officiating was so bad in that game that no stat mattered when you start doing a tally.

I know about 60 of those yards Kupp got on Lattimore in tight coverage face masking Lattimore to the house.

Then you got Hopkins, thats tall task for any CB to cover.

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Bump ...

He's had a tough couple of weeks but Marshon sure did look spectacular last night though & eliminated a threat for Dallas.

Good week of preparation, film study & execution on the big stage.

Confidence building.

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As it was explained and confirmed by Lattimore, he plays to his competition and tends to get lazy with less skillful receivers.

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He kinda admitted a while back he was relying too much on his speed and less on proper technique so yeah, he does get lazy at times. Agree, he seems to snap out of it if it's a high profile WR like last night with Amari.

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This was freaking Amari Cooper out there, in prime time, and even if Cooper wasn't 100% healthy, you play the man in front of you and Lattimore matched him and pretty much locked him down. He's obviously got some areas where he can improve but I'm nowhere near ready to claim Lattimore to be an Achilles Heel or to give up on the guy yet.

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I’m totally buying the zone defense excuse now. They finally let Latt go man to man and play press coverage and we saw the results.

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Lattimore did step up. Awesome but it was.