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vpheughan 09-28-2019 10:57 AM

Re: Drew Brees hopes to “beat” six-week prognosis for return
 
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Originally Posted by RailBoss (Post 858214)
Rumor has it Drew is working out his left hand..

He's going to become AMPHIBIAN!!!

Heard Mark Brunell was seen giving Drew some "SAGE ADVICE"

Rell&Gold 09-28-2019 11:32 AM

Re: Drew Brees hopes to “beat” six-week prognosis for return
 
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Originally Posted by WillMacKenzie (Post 858031)
He knows his job is in jeopardy

Huh?

hitta 09-28-2019 04:35 PM

Re: Drew Brees hopes to “beat” six-week prognosis for return
 
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Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL (Post 858256)
I strongly disagree with this assessment. TB needs to be comfortable and self contained. His primary job first and foremost is not to give the ball away. Taking risky throws risks the ball being picked off.

Now that doesn't mean that TB shouldn't push the ball down the field. However, Payton should scheme for high levels of protection along with relatively open windows to throw into.

I'm going to keep saying that it's not TB's job to try to be Brees. It's not his job to even be a starting NFL QB at this point in time. It's is job to navigate this team to be in position to win games and not personally lose games.

An interception is way way worse than a sack or an incomplete pass. So Payton and TB should keep that risk in their back pocket until Brees gets back.

SFIAH

You can't become comfortable with the throws unless you actually start to make them. He needs to expand on what he's doing now, I'm not saying he should take some crazy risks.

SaintFanInATLHELL 09-28-2019 06:24 PM

Re: Drew Brees hopes to “beat” six-week prognosis for return
 
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Originally Posted by hitta (Post 858294)
You can't become comfortable with the throws unless you actually start to make them. He needs to expand on what he's doing now, I'm not saying he should take some crazy risks.

How many picks would TB have to throw trying to be comfortable before we decide this is a failed experiment?

The Saints' offense doesn't need to do anything more as long as what they are doing is winning football. Arbitrarily forcing the offense into a pattern of execution outside their normal operation scope is the path towards losing.

If the defense dictates such throws, then Payton should scheme for success on those plays. Otherwise the Saints' offense should dictate tempo to the defense.

Brees has been at this for 19 seasons. It's a mistake to try to force backup QBs to emulate Brees.

SFIAH

hitta 09-28-2019 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL (Post 858297)
How many picks would TB have to throw trying to be comfortable before we decide this is a failed experiment?

The Saints' offense doesn't need to do anything more as long as what they are doing is winning football. Arbitrarily forcing the offense into a pattern of execution outside their normal operation scope is the path towards losing.

If the defense dictates such throws, then Payton should scheme for success on those plays. Otherwise the Saints' offense should dictate tempo to the defense.

Brees has been at this for 19 seasons. It's a mistake to try to force backup QBs to emulate Brees.

SFIAH

He is routinely passing up open receivers because they aren't open enough. It's not about emulating Brees, it's about not being afraid of failure.

SaintFanInATLHELL 09-28-2019 07:58 PM

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Originally Posted by hitta (Post 858300)
He is routinely passing up open receivers because they aren't open enough. It's not about emulating Brees, it's about not being afraid of failure.

Care to point to an example?

I'm just trying to figure out the reward that's worth the risk. Did we not win the game last week?

I guess I'm just as conservative as Teddy. You're approaching this as if he had the confidence to throw to these "open" receivers, then success will follow. The caution is making those same throws and getting picked on them. Then not only have you turned the ball over, but also further damaged the confidence of the QB that you need to be successful for at least the next month.

Let the defense force the alignment. Playing conservative will bring the safeties to the LOS and put receivers and backs in 1-1 situations a bit futher down the field. Teddy will make those throws.

There's nothing yet to indicate that the plan is broken. Don't make the mistake of breaking it prematurely.

SFIAH

The Dude 09-28-2019 09:32 PM

Re: Drew Brees hopes to “beat” six-week prognosis for return
 
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Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL (Post 858305)
Care to point to an example?

I'm just trying to figure out the reward that's worth the risk. Did we not win the game last week?

I guess I'm just as conservative as Teddy. You're approaching this as if he had the confidence to throw to these "open" receivers, then success will follow. The caution is making those same throws and getting picked on them. Then not only have you turned the ball over, but also further damaged the confidence of the QB that you need to be successful for at least the next month.

Let the defense force the alignment. Playing conservative will bring the safeties to the LOS and put receivers and backs in 1-1 situations a bit futher down the field. Teddy will make those throws.

There's nothing yet to indicate that the plan is broken. Don't make the mistake of breaking it prematurely.

SFIAH

Still don’t understand why people keep saying we need to keep coddling our backup pro bowl Qb who has already had a starting job. Luke McGowen came in and scorched the Panthers just like that.
I don’t want him forcing things either but at this point he should be comfortable enough in the system to where he doesn’t need to be babied.
Did well enough to win in the rain at Seattle last week. Curious as to how much his game changes against the Cowboys

SaintFanInATLHELL 09-28-2019 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 858306)
Still don’t understand why people keep saying we need to keep coddling our backup pro bowl Qb who has already had a starting job. Luke McGowen came in and scorched the Panthers just like that.
I don’t want him forcing things either but at this point he should be comfortable enough in the system to where he doesn’t need to be babied.
Did well enough to win in the rain at Seattle last week. Curious as to how much his game changes against the Cowboys

Because he isn't our historic HOF, SB MVP, QB which it sounds like to me people seem to want him to be.

We've seen Brees take thousands of throws. So Brees, the coaching staff, and the fan base have a pretty good expectation of the results of his throws. TB doesn't have that body of work, even though he has been a starting, and Pro Bowl, QB in his past. It's just not smart to put those same production expectations on TB. It isn't coddling. It's just having realistic expectations.

Face it. Drew Brees has earned the right to lose every game he plays for the Saints until he retires. TB has not. So TB has much more to lose as his career isn't yet set. Fact of the matter is that he's a Pro Bowl, playoff caliber QB precisely because he lead his teams to winning seasons by not turning over the ball and losing games. If in 2015 Minnesota had gone 5-11 and TB had thrown 14 interceptions and lost games, he wouldn't be here now.

I'll take 200 yards, no INTs, 2 TDs, at 6 YPA for each and every game TB is in the saddle as long as the Saints are winning. If it takes TB pushing the ball down the field for the Saints to win, I'll take that too. It isn't fantasy football to me. I don't care about stats. I care about wins and playoff positioning. And if Teddy playing conservatively is the path to Saints wins, then I'm all in for it.

SFIAH

hitta 09-29-2019 12:50 AM

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Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL (Post 858307)
Because he isn't our historic HOF, SB MVP, QB which it sounds like to me people seem to want him to be.

We've seen Brees take thousands of throws. So Brees, the coaching staff, and the fan base have a pretty good expectation of the results of his throws. TB doesn't have that body of work, even though he has been a starting, and Pro Bowl, QB in his past. It's just not smart to put those same production expectations on TB. It isn't coddling. It's just having realistic expectations.

Face it. Drew Brees has earned the right to lose every game he plays for the Saints until he retires. TB has not. So TB has much more to lose as his career isn't yet set. Fact of the matter is that he's a Pro Bowl, playoff caliber QB precisely because he lead his teams to winning seasons by not turning over the ball and losing games. If in 2015 Minnesota had gone 5-11 and TB had thrown 14 interceptions and lost games, he wouldn't be here now.

I'll take 200 yards, no INTs, 2 TDs, at 6 YPA for each and every game TB is in the saddle as long as the Saints are winning. If it takes TB pushing the ball down the field for the Saints to win, I'll take that too. It isn't fantasy football to me. I don't care about stats. I care about wins and playoff positioning. And if Teddy playing conservatively is the path to Saints wins, then I'm all in for it.

SFIAH

If Teddy can't take some shots up the field and try to make big plays(possibly getting some play-action involved), then we shouldn't even play the game cause we can't win. Dallas has way too much lateral speed in their defense. If he played the way he did the last two weeks, with the same hesitancy.. there is a zero percent chance we win this game. I don't want him to be Brees; I want him to make throws he can make. Last week just showed that we are so very lucky to have Kamara, because without him, I'm not sure if we would have even had an offensive touchdown. Teddy has to be better, and I expect that he will be. This idea that he shouldn't take chances is ludicrous. Just because you are throwing the ball up field doesn't mean you have to throw the ball into triple coverage. A good quarterback knows where to take their shots, and even knows how to not get it picked off when they take a risk.

TheOak 09-29-2019 06:28 AM

Re: Drew Brees hopes to “beat” six-week prognosis for return
 
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Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL (Post 858256)
It's not his job to even be a starting NFL QB at this point in time.


Yes Sir., that is exactly the job of a backup NFL Quarter Back that finds him self under center.

There is a lot of opinion out there that Teddy should only focus on managing the clock and protect the ball, if that’s what we need, put Taysom Hill in... he runs better. We can cut Teddy in the off-season and he can be someone else’s 7.5MM space.

Teddy Bridgewater has started 1.5 games for the Saints. I’d prefer to see him a bit more before we neuter him as an excuse for his ability.


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