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Drew Brees hopes to “beat” six-week prognosis for return

this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Yes, Brees is accurate and that is one of the reasons he is successful. Brees is also intelligent and has seen everything. This is why Bridgewater is semi-struggling right now cause he's having to develop and learn confidence in particular ...

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Old 09-27-2019, 11:18 PM   #1
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Re: Drew Brees hopes to “beat” six-week prognosis for return

Yes, Brees is accurate and that is one of the reasons he is successful. Brees is also intelligent and has seen everything. This is why Bridgewater is semi-struggling right now cause he's having to develop and learn confidence in particular throws. He is way too hesitant and needs to take more risks. A Brees that is a little off in his accuracy is better than 90% of what is in the league for the simple reason that he knows when and where to pull the trigger. The only question for me is if there is higher risk of him re-injuring himself by coming back earlier. I don't care if he's a bit off accuracy wise.
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Old 09-28-2019, 09:48 AM   #2
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He (TB) is way too hesitant and needs to take more risks.
I strongly disagree with this assessment. TB needs to be comfortable and self contained. His primary job first and foremost is not to give the ball away. Taking risky throws risks the ball being picked off.

Now that doesn't mean that TB shouldn't push the ball down the field. However, Payton should scheme for high levels of protection along with relatively open windows to throw into.

I'm going to keep saying that it's not TB's job to try to be Brees. It's not his job to even be a starting NFL QB at this point in time. It's is job to navigate this team to be in position to win games and not personally lose games.

An interception is way way worse than a sack or an incomplete pass. So Payton and TB should keep that risk in their back pocket until Brees gets back.

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Old 09-28-2019, 04:35 PM   #3
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I strongly disagree with this assessment. TB needs to be comfortable and self contained. His primary job first and foremost is not to give the ball away. Taking risky throws risks the ball being picked off.

Now that doesn't mean that TB shouldn't push the ball down the field. However, Payton should scheme for high levels of protection along with relatively open windows to throw into.

I'm going to keep saying that it's not TB's job to try to be Brees. It's not his job to even be a starting NFL QB at this point in time. It's is job to navigate this team to be in position to win games and not personally lose games.

An interception is way way worse than a sack or an incomplete pass. So Payton and TB should keep that risk in their back pocket until Brees gets back.

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You can't become comfortable with the throws unless you actually start to make them. He needs to expand on what he's doing now, I'm not saying he should take some crazy risks.
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You can't become comfortable with the throws unless you actually start to make them. He needs to expand on what he's doing now, I'm not saying he should take some crazy risks.
How many picks would TB have to throw trying to be comfortable before we decide this is a failed experiment?

The Saints' offense doesn't need to do anything more as long as what they are doing is winning football. Arbitrarily forcing the offense into a pattern of execution outside their normal operation scope is the path towards losing.

If the defense dictates such throws, then Payton should scheme for success on those plays. Otherwise the Saints' offense should dictate tempo to the defense.

Brees has been at this for 19 seasons. It's a mistake to try to force backup QBs to emulate Brees.

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How many picks would TB have to throw trying to be comfortable before we decide this is a failed experiment?

The Saints' offense doesn't need to do anything more as long as what they are doing is winning football. Arbitrarily forcing the offense into a pattern of execution outside their normal operation scope is the path towards losing.

If the defense dictates such throws, then Payton should scheme for success on those plays. Otherwise the Saints' offense should dictate tempo to the defense.

Brees has been at this for 19 seasons. It's a mistake to try to force backup QBs to emulate Brees.

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He is routinely passing up open receivers because they aren't open enough. It's not about emulating Brees, it's about not being afraid of failure.
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He is routinely passing up open receivers because they aren't open enough. It's not about emulating Brees, it's about not being afraid of failure.
Care to point to an example?

I'm just trying to figure out the reward that's worth the risk. Did we not win the game last week?

I guess I'm just as conservative as Teddy. You're approaching this as if he had the confidence to throw to these "open" receivers, then success will follow. The caution is making those same throws and getting picked on them. Then not only have you turned the ball over, but also further damaged the confidence of the QB that you need to be successful for at least the next month.

Let the defense force the alignment. Playing conservative will bring the safeties to the LOS and put receivers and backs in 1-1 situations a bit futher down the field. Teddy will make those throws.

There's nothing yet to indicate that the plan is broken. Don't make the mistake of breaking it prematurely.

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Care to point to an example?

I'm just trying to figure out the reward that's worth the risk. Did we not win the game last week?

I guess I'm just as conservative as Teddy. You're approaching this as if he had the confidence to throw to these "open" receivers, then success will follow. The caution is making those same throws and getting picked on them. Then not only have you turned the ball over, but also further damaged the confidence of the QB that you need to be successful for at least the next month.

Let the defense force the alignment. Playing conservative will bring the safeties to the LOS and put receivers and backs in 1-1 situations a bit futher down the field. Teddy will make those throws.

There's nothing yet to indicate that the plan is broken. Don't make the mistake of breaking it prematurely.

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Still don’t understand why people keep saying we need to keep coddling our backup pro bowl Qb who has already had a starting job. Luke McGowen came in and scorched the Panthers just like that.
I don’t want him forcing things either but at this point he should be comfortable enough in the system to where he doesn’t need to be babied.
Did well enough to win in the rain at Seattle last week. Curious as to how much his game changes against the Cowboys
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It's not his job to even be a starting NFL QB at this point in time.

Yes Sir., that is exactly the job of a backup NFL Quarter Back that finds him self under center.

There is a lot of opinion out there that Teddy should only focus on managing the clock and protect the ball, if that’s what we need, put Taysom Hill in... he runs better. We can cut Teddy in the off-season and he can be someone else’s 7.5MM space.

Teddy Bridgewater has started 1.5 games for the Saints. I’d prefer to see him a bit more before we neuter him as an excuse for his ability.

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