New Orleans Saints QB Drew Brees Looking to Return in Week 8 Against Arizona Cardinals

burningmetal · 10-11-2019, 05:33 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

According to the medical experts Brees should be at 100% within six weeks post surgery. That means he is no more likely to get reinjured than any other player because he will be at 100%.

Get it?

Being medically "cleared" and being 100% aren't always the same thing. He might be ready enough to play by week 8, but not 100%. In which case, why rush him back against a bad team, with the bye week immediately following?

Now, if he IS 100% by week 8, then there is no debate. Trying to predict exactly how healthy someone is going to be at an exact moment is not an exact science... To be exact.

AsylumGuido · 10-11-2019, 05:42 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

Being medically "cleared" and being 100% aren't always the same thing. He might be ready enough to play by week 8, but not 100%. In which case, why rush him back against a bad team, with the bye week immediately following?

Now, if he IS 100% by week 8, then there is no debate. Trying to predict exactly how healthy someone is going to be at an exact moment is not an exact science... To be exact.

I'm not sure if you have read about this procedure, but when medically cleared he will be at 100%. THAT is the point. And that point is met within a six week period on average with this procedure. Brees has proven to heal faster and more completely than the average human given his well documented history. When he returns he WILL be at 100%. There will be no rushing. If he is where he is expected to be in week eight he will be at 100% and will be able to play with no risk beyond that of any other player.

burningmetal · 10-12-2019, 10:56 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I'm not sure if you have read about this procedure, but when medically cleared he will be at 100%. THAT is the point. And that point is met within a six week period on average with this procedure. Brees has proven to heal faster and more completely than the average human given his well documented history. When he returns he WILL be at 100%. There will be no rushing. If he is where he is expected to be in week eight he will be at 100% and will be able to play with no risk beyond that of any other player.

I'll tell you what, Guido. You find the link that explains the exact procedure he had, and the information that says he will only be cleared when he is 100%, then copy and paste it here, and then I'll believe you. I have no problem with accepting that information if you can provide it.

But since you sort of have a history of claiming to know everything about everything, I take everything you say with a healthy sized grain of salt.

In the meantime, I'm aware of a lot of players who are allowed to play before they are 100%, because doctors say they're good enough that they are not risking further injury by playing. And my point was that, IF that is the case with Drew when he is cleared, why not just let him fully heal rather than play against a crappy team. Assuming Teddy is still playing well by then.

But if he is 100%, then fine. Terrific.

vpheughan · 10-12-2019, 12:12 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

I'll tell you what, Guido. You find the link that explains the exact procedure he had, and the information that says he will only be cleared when he is 100%, then copy and paste it here, and then I'll believe you. I have no problem with accepting that information if you can provide it.

But since you sort of have a history of claiming to know everything about everything, I take everything you say with a healthy sized grain of salt.

In the meantime, I'm aware of a lot of players who are allowed to play before they are 100%, because doctors say they're good enough that they are not risking further injury by playing. And my point was that, IF that is the case with Drew when he is cleared, why not just let him fully heal rather than play against a crappy team. Assuming Teddy is still playing well by then.

But if he is 100%, then fine. Terrific.

Speaking of" a healthy grains of salt and knowing everything about everything"

"I've never heard of a Raiders DB being known for his use of stickum, but I know of a Raiders WR..............."

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burningmetal · 10-12-2019, 12:28 PM

Originally Posted by vpheughan

Speaking of" a healthy grains of salt and knowing everything about everything"

"I've never heard of a Raiders DB being known for his use of stickum, but I know of a Raiders WR..............."

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What is that supposed to mean? I said I had never heard of a Raiders DB being known for stickum, and I meant it. I had never heard of Lester Hayes. Did I say "no, Lester Hayes never used stickum"? No, I did not. Do you even realize what a dumb post you just made?

Meanwhile, I HAD, in fact, heard of a Raiders WR who was well known for his use of stickum, and his name is Fred Biletnikoff.

So what, again, was your point?

Utah_Saint · 10-12-2019, 01:07 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

What is that supposed to mean? I said I had never heard of a Raiders DB being known for stickum, and I meant it. I had never heard of Lester Hayes. Did I say "no, Lester Hayes never used stickum"? No, I did not. Do you even realize what a dumb post you just made?

Meanwhile, I HAD, in fact, heard of a Raiders WR who was well known for his use of stickum, and his name is Fred Biletnikoff.

So what, again, was your point?

They named the stickum rule after him, the Lester Hayes Rule.

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burningmetal · 10-12-2019, 01:14 PM

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint

They named the stickum rule after him, the Lester Hayes Rule.

11 NFL Rules Named After People | Mental Floss

That's cool. I was told that in that thread where the subject came up. I had never heard a name for the rule. I just knew stickum had been outlawed a long time ago, and the player I knew most for using it was Biletnikoff. Being that he was a WR, he benefited from stickum more than Lester Hayes and should have had the rule named after him, if you ask me. Instead, they named the award for best college receiver after him. Which I find incredibly stupid.

st thomas · 10-12-2019, 12:14 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

I'll tell you what, Guido. You find the link that explains the exact procedure he had, and the information that says he will only be cleared when he is 100%, then copy and paste it here, and then I'll believe you. I have no problem with accepting that information if you can provide it.

But since you sort of have a history of claiming to know everything about everything, I take everything you say with a healthy sized grain of salt.

In the meantime, I'm aware of a lot of players who are allowed to play before they are 100%, because doctors say they're good enough that they are not risking further injury by playing. And my point was that, IF that is the case with Drew when he is cleared, why not just let him fully heal rather than play against a crappy team. Assuming Teddy is still playing well by then.

But if he is 100%, then fine. Terrific.

We want him back to win a Super Bowl , right . Let steady teddy keep us alive for one. But we don’t want to see any deer in the headlights from teddy when it really starts playoff fever. We want the 100% medically cleared no excuses see You in Miami Brees leadership to bring it home.

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AsylumGuido · 10-12-2019, 02:50 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

I'll tell you what, Guido. You find the link that explains the exact procedure he had, and the information that says he will only be cleared when he is 100%, then copy and paste it here, and then I'll believe you. I have no problem with accepting that information if you can provide it.

But since you sort of have a history of claiming to know everything about everything, I take everything you say with a healthy sized grain of salt.

In the meantime, I'm aware of a lot of players who are allowed to play before they are 100%, because doctors say they're good enough that they are not risking further injury by playing. And my point was that, IF that is the case with Drew when he is cleared, why not just let him fully heal rather than play against a crappy team. Assuming Teddy is still playing well by then.

But if he is 100%, then fine. Terrific.

I can tell you haven't been around and missed the articles that I posted earlier about the procedure. It included details of the new procedure and timeline for a professional basketball player who had the exact same procedure. Do a search on my replies and Brees/internal brace and you should find them. It explains, along with other un-posted pieces, that the procedure allows rehab of the injury during the healing process and will allow Brees to be 100% healed AND practiced to be game ready in less than six weeks post surgery.

MY point is that Brees will be fully healed ... 100% ... when he is cleared, so why not let him start against a crappy team since he is fully ready?

burningmetal · 10-12-2019, 04:50 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I can tell you haven't been around and missed the articles that I posted earlier about the procedure. It included details of the new procedure and timeline for a professional basketball player who had the exact same procedure. Do a search on my replies and Brees/internal brace and you should find them. It explains, along with other un-posted pieces, that the procedure allows rehab of the injury during the healing process and will allow Brees to be 100% healed AND practiced to be game ready in less than six weeks post surgery.

MY point is that Brees will be fully healed ... 100% ... when he is cleared, so why not let him start against a crappy team since he is fully ready?

I asked you to post information backing up your statement, here. But I guess that was too much to ask, so I did dig through your posts.

I found the article, and I read what it said. It's an inventive procedure. I see that it helps the recovery process. All good things. However, it gave only one example. Players do not all heal at the same rate. The article did not state that the player they mentioned returned at 100%. It just said he came back earlier. Doctors do allow you to play with pain, if they believe the structural integrity is strong enough that there is no heightened risk of further injury. Your link does not answer that question one way or the other.

Now, maybe Brees does come back by week 8 and at 100% health. I'm not saying he will or won't. I have no idea. All I said was that if he is not 100% by week 8, then why not let him sit through the bye?

You're asking me why the Saints should sit him against the Cardinals if he's fully healed, but that's not my premise, to begin with. I said if he's fully healed, then there's no debate. You can't simply assume that he'll be fully healed. Doctors give estimated recovery times, and articles can give an example of one whole player, but how fast will Drew heal? We can only wait to see. If it were such a sure thing, the Saints wouldn't be saying they are targeting a week 10 return.

I mean... Think about that, Guido. You think you know when he's going to be ready, but the Saints don't?

10-11-2019, 05:33 PM	#1
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: New Orleans Saints QB Drew Brees Looking to Return in Week 8 Against Arizona Cardinals Originally Posted by AsylumGuido According to the medical experts Brees should be at 100% within six weeks post surgery. That means he is no more likely to get reinjured than any other player because he will be at 100%. Get it? Being medically "cleared" and being 100% aren't always the same thing. He might be ready enough to play by week 8, but not 100%. In which case, why rush him back against a bad team, with the bye week immediately following? Now, if he IS 100% by week 8, then there is no debate. Trying to predict exactly how healthy someone is going to be at an exact moment is not an exact science... To be exact.

10-11-2019, 05:42 PM	#2
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,676	Re: New Orleans Saints QB Drew Brees Looking to Return in Week 8 Against Arizona Cardinals Originally Posted by burningmetal Being medically "cleared" and being 100% aren't always the same thing. He might be ready enough to play by week 8, but not 100%. In which case, why rush him back against a bad team, with the bye week immediately following? Now, if he IS 100% by week 8, then there is no debate. Trying to predict exactly how healthy someone is going to be at an exact moment is not an exact science... To be exact. I'm not sure if you have read about this procedure, but when medically cleared he will be at 100%. THAT is the point. And that point is met within a six week period on average with this procedure. Brees has proven to heal faster and more completely than the average human given his well documented history. When he returns he WILL be at 100%. There will be no rushing. If he is where he is expected to be in week eight he will be at 100% and will be able to play with no risk beyond that of any other player. st thomas likes this.
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10-12-2019, 10:56 AM	#3
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: New Orleans Saints QB Drew Brees Looking to Return in Week 8 Against Arizona Cardinals Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I'm not sure if you have read about this procedure, but when medically cleared he will be at 100%. THAT is the point. And that point is met within a six week period on average with this procedure. Brees has proven to heal faster and more completely than the average human given his well documented history. When he returns he WILL be at 100%. There will be no rushing. If he is where he is expected to be in week eight he will be at 100% and will be able to play with no risk beyond that of any other player. I'll tell you what, Guido. You find the link that explains the exact procedure he had, and the information that says he will only be cleared when he is 100%, then copy and paste it here, and then I'll believe you. I have no problem with accepting that information if you can provide it. But since you sort of have a history of claiming to know everything about everything, I take everything you say with a healthy sized grain of salt. In the meantime, I'm aware of a lot of players who are allowed to play before they are 100%, because doctors say they're good enough that they are not risking further injury by playing. And my point was that, IF that is the case with Drew when he is cleared, why not just let him fully heal rather than play against a crappy team. Assuming Teddy is still playing well by then. But if he is 100%, then fine. Terrific.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

10-12-2019, 12:12 PM	#4
vpheughan 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,553	Re: New Orleans Saints QB Drew Brees Looking to Return in Week 8 Against Arizona Cardinals Originally Posted by burningmetal I'll tell you what, Guido. You find the link that explains the exact procedure he had, and the information that says he will only be cleared when he is 100%, then copy and paste it here, and then I'll believe you. I have no problem with accepting that information if you can provide it. But since you sort of have a history of claiming to know everything about everything, I take everything you say with a healthy sized grain of salt. In the meantime, I'm aware of a lot of players who are allowed to play before they are 100%, because doctors say they're good enough that they are not risking further injury by playing. And my point was that, IF that is the case with Drew when he is cleared, why not just let him fully heal rather than play against a crappy team. Assuming Teddy is still playing well by then. But if he is 100%, then fine. Terrific. Speaking of" a healthy grains of salt and knowing everything about everything" "I've never heard of a Raiders DB being known for his use of stickum, but I know of a Raiders WR..............." LESTER HAYES COVERED IN STICKUM K Major likes this.
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10-12-2019, 12:28 PM	#5
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: New Orleans Saints QB Drew Brees Looking to Return in Week 8 Against Arizona Cardinals Originally Posted by vpheughan Speaking of" a healthy grains of salt and knowing everything about everything" "I've never heard of a Raiders DB being known for his use of stickum, but I know of a Raiders WR..............." LESTER HAYES COVERED IN STICKUM Attachment 13269 Attachment 13270 What is that supposed to mean? I said I had never heard of a Raiders DB being known for stickum, and I meant it. I had never heard of Lester Hayes. Did I say "no, Lester Hayes never used stickum"? No, I did not. Do you even realize what a dumb post you just made? Meanwhile, I HAD, in fact, heard of a Raiders WR who was well known for his use of stickum, and his name is Fred Biletnikoff. So what, again, was your point?

10-12-2019, 01:07 PM	#6
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: New Orleans Saints QB Drew Brees Looking to Return in Week 8 Against Arizona Cardinals Originally Posted by burningmetal What is that supposed to mean? I said I had never heard of a Raiders DB being known for stickum, and I meant it. I had never heard of Lester Hayes. Did I say "no, Lester Hayes never used stickum"? No, I did not. Do you even realize what a dumb post you just made? Meanwhile, I HAD, in fact, heard of a Raiders WR who was well known for his use of stickum, and his name is Fred Biletnikoff. So what, again, was your point? They named the stickum rule after him, the Lester Hayes Rule. 11 NFL Rules Named After People \| Mental Floss

10-12-2019, 01:14 PM	#7
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: New Orleans Saints QB Drew Brees Looking to Return in Week 8 Against Arizona Cardinals Originally Posted by Utah_Saint They named the stickum rule after him, the Lester Hayes Rule. 11 NFL Rules Named After People \| Mental Floss That's cool. I was told that in that thread where the subject came up. I had never heard a name for the rule. I just knew stickum had been outlawed a long time ago, and the player I knew most for using it was Biletnikoff. Being that he was a WR, he benefited from stickum more than Lester Hayes and should have had the rule named after him, if you ask me. Instead, they named the award for best college receiver after him. Which I find incredibly stupid.

10-12-2019, 12:14 PM	#8
st thomas Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: lafayette Posts: 7,753	Re: New Orleans Saints QB Drew Brees Looking to Return in Week 8 Against Arizona Cardinals Originally Posted by burningmetal I'll tell you what, Guido. You find the link that explains the exact procedure he had, and the information that says he will only be cleared when he is 100%, then copy and paste it here, and then I'll believe you. I have no problem with accepting that information if you can provide it. But since you sort of have a history of claiming to know everything about everything, I take everything you say with a healthy sized grain of salt. In the meantime, I'm aware of a lot of players who are allowed to play before they are 100%, because doctors say they're good enough that they are not risking further injury by playing. And my point was that, IF that is the case with Drew when he is cleared, why not just let him fully heal rather than play against a crappy team. Assuming Teddy is still playing well by then. But if he is 100%, then fine. Terrific. We want him back to win a Super Bowl , right . Let steady teddy keep us alive for one. But we don’t want to see any deer in the headlights from teddy when it really starts playoff fever. We want the 100% medically cleared no excuses see You in Miami Brees leadership to bring it home. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

10-12-2019, 02:50 PM	#9
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,676	Re: New Orleans Saints QB Drew Brees Looking to Return in Week 8 Against Arizona Cardinals Originally Posted by burningmetal I'll tell you what, Guido. You find the link that explains the exact procedure he had, and the information that says he will only be cleared when he is 100%, then copy and paste it here, and then I'll believe you. I have no problem with accepting that information if you can provide it. But since you sort of have a history of claiming to know everything about everything, I take everything you say with a healthy sized grain of salt. In the meantime, I'm aware of a lot of players who are allowed to play before they are 100%, because doctors say they're good enough that they are not risking further injury by playing. And my point was that, IF that is the case with Drew when he is cleared, why not just let him fully heal rather than play against a crappy team. Assuming Teddy is still playing well by then. But if he is 100%, then fine. Terrific. I can tell you haven't been around and missed the articles that I posted earlier about the procedure. It included details of the new procedure and timeline for a professional basketball player who had the exact same procedure. Do a search on my replies and Brees/internal brace and you should find them. It explains, along with other un-posted pieces, that the procedure allows rehab of the injury during the healing process and will allow Brees to be 100% healed AND practiced to be game ready in less than six weeks post surgery. MY point is that Brees will be fully healed ... 100% ... when he is cleared, so why not let him start against a crappy team since he is fully ready?
	“The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.” — Winston Churchill

10-12-2019, 04:50 PM	#10
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: New Orleans Saints QB Drew Brees Looking to Return in Week 8 Against Arizona Cardinals Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I can tell you haven't been around and missed the articles that I posted earlier about the procedure. It included details of the new procedure and timeline for a professional basketball player who had the exact same procedure. Do a search on my replies and Brees/internal brace and you should find them. It explains, along with other un-posted pieces, that the procedure allows rehab of the injury during the healing process and will allow Brees to be 100% healed AND practiced to be game ready in less than six weeks post surgery. MY point is that Brees will be fully healed ... 100% ... when he is cleared, so why not let him start against a crappy team since he is fully ready? I asked you to post information backing up your statement, here. But I guess that was too much to ask, so I did dig through your posts. I found the article, and I read what it said. It's an inventive procedure. I see that it helps the recovery process. All good things. However, it gave only one example. Players do not all heal at the same rate. The article did not state that the player they mentioned returned at 100%. It just said he came back earlier. Doctors do allow you to play with pain, if they believe the structural integrity is strong enough that there is no heightened risk of further injury. Your link does not answer that question one way or the other. Now, maybe Brees does come back by week 8 and at 100% health. I'm not saying he will or won't. I have no idea. All I said was that if he is not 100% by week 8, then why not let him sit through the bye? You're asking me why the Saints should sit him against the Cardinals if he's fully healed, but that's not my premise, to begin with. I said if he's fully healed, then there's no debate. You can't simply assume that he'll be fully healed. Doctors give estimated recovery times, and articles can give an example of one whole player, but how fast will Drew heal? We can only wait to see. If it were such a sure thing, the Saints wouldn't be saying they are targeting a week 10 return. I mean... Think about that, Guido. You think you know when he's going to be ready, but the Saints don't?
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.