New Orleans Saints QB Drew Brees Looking to Return in Week 8 Against Arizona Cardinals

Utah_Saint · 10-12-2019, 02:07 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

What is that supposed to mean? I said I had never heard of a Raiders DB being known for stickum, and I meant it. I had never heard of Lester Hayes. Did I say "no, Lester Hayes never used stickum"? No, I did not. Do you even realize what a dumb post you just made?

Meanwhile, I HAD, in fact, heard of a Raiders WR who was well known for his use of stickum, and his name is Fred Biletnikoff.

So what, again, was your point?

They named the stickum rule after him, the Lester Hayes Rule.

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burningmetal · 10-12-2019, 02:14 PM

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint

They named the stickum rule after him, the Lester Hayes Rule.

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That's cool. I was told that in that thread where the subject came up. I had never heard a name for the rule. I just knew stickum had been outlawed a long time ago, and the player I knew most for using it was Biletnikoff. Being that he was a WR, he benefited from stickum more than Lester Hayes and should have had the rule named after him, if you ask me. Instead, they named the award for best college receiver after him. Which I find incredibly stupid.

K Major · 10-12-2019, 02:31 PM

I didn't realize Hines Ward had a rule in place.

I do remember him laying out Ed Reed once ... thought he had killed him on the field. Ward was an absolute monster at blocking.

vpheughan · 10-12-2019, 02:32 PM

Geeze! Wasn't trying to cause a burst a blood vessel. Mea Culpa!

burningmetal · 10-12-2019, 02:53 PM

Originally Posted by vpheughan

Geeze! Wasn't trying to cause a burst a blood vessel. Mea Culpa!

Well, you tried to frame something I said as being something else entirely. That kind of aggravated me.

It's all good, though. Let's move on.

AsylumGuido · 10-12-2019, 03:50 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

I'll tell you what, Guido. You find the link that explains the exact procedure he had, and the information that says he will only be cleared when he is 100%, then copy and paste it here, and then I'll believe you. I have no problem with accepting that information if you can provide it.

But since you sort of have a history of claiming to know everything about everything, I take everything you say with a healthy sized grain of salt.

In the meantime, I'm aware of a lot of players who are allowed to play before they are 100%, because doctors say they're good enough that they are not risking further injury by playing. And my point was that, IF that is the case with Drew when he is cleared, why not just let him fully heal rather than play against a crappy team. Assuming Teddy is still playing well by then.

But if he is 100%, then fine. Terrific.

I can tell you haven't been around and missed the articles that I posted earlier about the procedure. It included details of the new procedure and timeline for a professional basketball player who had the exact same procedure. Do a search on my replies and Brees/internal brace and you should find them. It explains, along with other un-posted pieces, that the procedure allows rehab of the injury during the healing process and will allow Brees to be 100% healed AND practiced to be game ready in less than six weeks post surgery.

MY point is that Brees will be fully healed ... 100% ... when he is cleared, so why not let him start against a crappy team since he is fully ready?

burningmetal · 10-12-2019, 05:50 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I can tell you haven't been around and missed the articles that I posted earlier about the procedure. It included details of the new procedure and timeline for a professional basketball player who had the exact same procedure. Do a search on my replies and Brees/internal brace and you should find them. It explains, along with other un-posted pieces, that the procedure allows rehab of the injury during the healing process and will allow Brees to be 100% healed AND practiced to be game ready in less than six weeks post surgery.

MY point is that Brees will be fully healed ... 100% ... when he is cleared, so why not let him start against a crappy team since he is fully ready?

I asked you to post information backing up your statement, here. But I guess that was too much to ask, so I did dig through your posts.

I found the article, and I read what it said. It's an inventive procedure. I see that it helps the recovery process. All good things. However, it gave only one example. Players do not all heal at the same rate. The article did not state that the player they mentioned returned at 100%. It just said he came back earlier. Doctors do allow you to play with pain, if they believe the structural integrity is strong enough that there is no heightened risk of further injury. Your link does not answer that question one way or the other.

Now, maybe Brees does come back by week 8 and at 100% health. I'm not saying he will or won't. I have no idea. All I said was that if he is not 100% by week 8, then why not let him sit through the bye?

You're asking me why the Saints should sit him against the Cardinals if he's fully healed, but that's not my premise, to begin with. I said if he's fully healed, then there's no debate. You can't simply assume that he'll be fully healed. Doctors give estimated recovery times, and articles can give an example of one whole player, but how fast will Drew heal? We can only wait to see. If it were such a sure thing, the Saints wouldn't be saying they are targeting a week 10 return.

I mean... Think about that, Guido. You think you know when he's going to be ready, but the Saints don't?

The Dude · 10-12-2019, 06:00 PM

Originally Posted by Thirty3

100% and PRO football ready are not the same.

True but after about the midway point of the season none of the players are really 100%. They all are playing through injury of varying severity.

Cruize · 10-12-2019, 07:03 PM

My question is, does he really have to "live" in the training room for his thumb? Thank God it wasn't his leg.

Rugby Saint II · 10-12-2019, 07:14 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

I asked you to post information backing up your statement, here. But I guess that was too much to ask, so I did dig through your posts.

I found the article, and I read what it said. It's an inventive procedure. I see that it helps the recovery process. All good things. However, it gave only one example. Players do not all heal at the same rate. The article did not state that the player they mentioned returned at 100%. It just said he came back earlier. Doctors do allow you to play with pain, if they believe the structural integrity is strong enough that there is no heightened risk of further injury. Your link does not answer that question one way or the other.

Now, maybe Brees does come back by week 8 and at 100% health. I'm not saying he will or won't. I have no idea. All I said was that if he is not 100% by week 8, then why not let him sit through the bye?

You're asking me why the Saints should sit him against the Cardinals if he's fully healed, but that's not my premise, to begin with. I said if he's fully healed, then there's no debate. You can't simply assume that he'll be fully healed. Doctors give estimated recovery times, and articles can give an example of one whole player, but how fast will Drew heal? We can only wait to see. If it were such a sure thing, the Saints wouldn't be saying they are targeting a week 10 return.

I mean... Think about that, Guido. You think you know when he's going to be ready, but the Saints don't?

Both of ya'll make valid points but Guido has posted info on this injury ad nauseum. It is a relatively new procedure but apparently it works. My only concern is reinjuring his hand. Whether it's off a helmet, hand or being knocked down. I honestly don't think Payton will let him come back too soon. Drew will want to be back ASAP. He looked like a caged tiger on the sidelines last week.

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Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: New Orleans Saints QB Drew Brees Looking to Return in Week 8 Against Arizona Cardinals Originally Posted by burningmetal What is that supposed to mean? I said I had never heard of a Raiders DB being known for stickum, and I meant it. I had never heard of Lester Hayes. Did I say "no, Lester Hayes never used stickum"? No, I did not. Do you even realize what a dumb post you just made? Meanwhile, I HAD, in fact, heard of a Raiders WR who was well known for his use of stickum, and his name is Fred Biletnikoff. So what, again, was your point? They named the stickum rule after him, the Lester Hayes Rule. 11 NFL Rules Named After People \| Mental Floss

10-12-2019, 02:14 PM	#22
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: New Orleans Saints QB Drew Brees Looking to Return in Week 8 Against Arizona Cardinals Originally Posted by Utah_Saint They named the stickum rule after him, the Lester Hayes Rule. 11 NFL Rules Named After People \| Mental Floss That's cool. I was told that in that thread where the subject came up. I had never heard a name for the rule. I just knew stickum had been outlawed a long time ago, and the player I knew most for using it was Biletnikoff. Being that he was a WR, he benefited from stickum more than Lester Hayes and should have had the rule named after him, if you ask me. Instead, they named the award for best college receiver after him. Which I find incredibly stupid.

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K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,622 Blog Entries: 3	Re: New Orleans Saints QB Drew Brees Looking to Return in Week 8 Against Arizona Cardinals I didn't realize Hines Ward had a rule in place. I do remember him laying out Ed Reed once ... thought he had killed him on the field. Ward was an absolute monster at blocking.

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vpheughan 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,524	Re: New Orleans Saints QB Drew Brees Looking to Return in Week 8 Against Arizona Cardinals Geeze! Wasn't trying to cause a burst a blood vessel. Mea Culpa!
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burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: New Orleans Saints QB Drew Brees Looking to Return in Week 8 Against Arizona Cardinals Originally Posted by vpheughan Geeze! Wasn't trying to cause a burst a blood vessel. Mea Culpa! Well, you tried to frame something I said as being something else entirely. That kind of aggravated me. It's all good, though. Let's move on. st thomas likes this.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: New Orleans Saints QB Drew Brees Looking to Return in Week 8 Against Arizona Cardinals Originally Posted by burningmetal I'll tell you what, Guido. You find the link that explains the exact procedure he had, and the information that says he will only be cleared when he is 100%, then copy and paste it here, and then I'll believe you. I have no problem with accepting that information if you can provide it. But since you sort of have a history of claiming to know everything about everything, I take everything you say with a healthy sized grain of salt. In the meantime, I'm aware of a lot of players who are allowed to play before they are 100%, because doctors say they're good enough that they are not risking further injury by playing. And my point was that, IF that is the case with Drew when he is cleared, why not just let him fully heal rather than play against a crappy team. Assuming Teddy is still playing well by then. But if he is 100%, then fine. Terrific. I can tell you haven't been around and missed the articles that I posted earlier about the procedure. It included details of the new procedure and timeline for a professional basketball player who had the exact same procedure. Do a search on my replies and Brees/internal brace and you should find them. It explains, along with other un-posted pieces, that the procedure allows rehab of the injury during the healing process and will allow Brees to be 100% healed AND practiced to be game ready in less than six weeks post surgery. MY point is that Brees will be fully healed ... 100% ... when he is cleared, so why not let him start against a crappy team since he is fully ready?
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burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: New Orleans Saints QB Drew Brees Looking to Return in Week 8 Against Arizona Cardinals Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I can tell you haven't been around and missed the articles that I posted earlier about the procedure. It included details of the new procedure and timeline for a professional basketball player who had the exact same procedure. Do a search on my replies and Brees/internal brace and you should find them. It explains, along with other un-posted pieces, that the procedure allows rehab of the injury during the healing process and will allow Brees to be 100% healed AND practiced to be game ready in less than six weeks post surgery. MY point is that Brees will be fully healed ... 100% ... when he is cleared, so why not let him start against a crappy team since he is fully ready? I asked you to post information backing up your statement, here. But I guess that was too much to ask, so I did dig through your posts. I found the article, and I read what it said. It's an inventive procedure. I see that it helps the recovery process. All good things. However, it gave only one example. Players do not all heal at the same rate. The article did not state that the player they mentioned returned at 100%. It just said he came back earlier. Doctors do allow you to play with pain, if they believe the structural integrity is strong enough that there is no heightened risk of further injury. Your link does not answer that question one way or the other. Now, maybe Brees does come back by week 8 and at 100% health. I'm not saying he will or won't. I have no idea. All I said was that if he is not 100% by week 8, then why not let him sit through the bye? You're asking me why the Saints should sit him against the Cardinals if he's fully healed, but that's not my premise, to begin with. I said if he's fully healed, then there's no debate. You can't simply assume that he'll be fully healed. Doctors give estimated recovery times, and articles can give an example of one whole player, but how fast will Drew heal? We can only wait to see. If it were such a sure thing, the Saints wouldn't be saying they are targeting a week 10 return. I mean... Think about that, Guido. You think you know when he's going to be ready, but the Saints don't?
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Cruize 1000 Posts + Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 4,457	Re: New Orleans Saints QB Drew Brees Looking to Return in Week 8 Against Arizona Cardinals My question is, does he really have to "live" in the training room for his thumb? Thank God it wasn't his leg.
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Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,073	Re: New Orleans Saints QB Drew Brees Looking to Return in Week 8 Against Arizona Cardinals Originally Posted by burningmetal I asked you to post information backing up your statement, here. But I guess that was too much to ask, so I did dig through your posts. I found the article, and I read what it said. It's an inventive procedure. I see that it helps the recovery process. All good things. However, it gave only one example. Players do not all heal at the same rate. The article did not state that the player they mentioned returned at 100%. It just said he came back earlier. Doctors do allow you to play with pain, if they believe the structural integrity is strong enough that there is no heightened risk of further injury. Your link does not answer that question one way or the other. Now, maybe Brees does come back by week 8 and at 100% health. I'm not saying he will or won't. I have no idea. All I said was that if he is not 100% by week 8, then why not let him sit through the bye? You're asking me why the Saints should sit him against the Cardinals if he's fully healed, but that's not my premise, to begin with. I said if he's fully healed, then there's no debate. You can't simply assume that he'll be fully healed. Doctors give estimated recovery times, and articles can give an example of one whole player, but how fast will Drew heal? We can only wait to see. If it were such a sure thing, the Saints wouldn't be saying they are targeting a week 10 return. I mean... Think about that, Guido. You think you know when he's going to be ready, but the Saints don't? Both of ya'll make valid points but Guido has posted info on this injury ad nauseum. It is a relatively new procedure but apparently it works. My only concern is reinjuring his hand. Whether it's off a helmet, hand or being knocked down. I honestly don't think Payton will let him come back too soon. Drew will want to be back ASAP. He looked like a caged tiger on the sidelines last week.