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Rueben Mayes 10-15-2019 09:45 AM

is Kamara right?
 
Just wondering if y'all feel like Kamara is 100% or is the ankle injury a nagging thing that is having residual effects on his game?

He doesn't seem like he's fully healthy but perhaps I am mistaking his lack of production the last few weeks for the opposing teams' defenses loading up on Kamara to force the Saints to use other options?

Beastmode 10-15-2019 09:50 AM

Re: is Kamara right?
 
Swollen ankle and now a knee concern. Not looking good. I think it's tipping towards not playing this week with the chatter on Cadet.

st thomas 10-15-2019 09:53 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Rueben Mayes (Post 861761)
Just wondering if y'all feel like Kamara is 100% or is the ankle injury a nagging thing that is having residual effects on his game?



He doesn't seem like he's fully healthy but perhaps I am mistaking his lack of production the last few weeks for the opposing teams' defenses loading up on Kamara to force the Saints to use other options?



Don’t look hurt to me but I’m not him or his coach. Remember last season they took away he and Thomas and we were done. Well we’re not done but there putting a dent in there production. Thank goodness teddy can take off with it to extend plays.we need another wow receiver and we’re fixed.


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44Champs 10-15-2019 10:40 AM

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It's obvious that he's not 100%.
I hope they rest him or at least limit his touches. There's a lot of season left and we're gonna need him.

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Rueben Mayes 10-15-2019 10:59 AM

Re: is Kamara right?
 
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Originally Posted by 44Champs (Post 861770)
It's obvious that he's not 100%.
I hope they rest him or at least limit his touches. There's a lot of season left and we're gonna need him.

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and use Lat Murray a little bit more or certainly as much as they used him against the Jags to reduce the wear and tear on Kamara!

st thomas 10-15-2019 11:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Rueben Mayes (Post 861774)
and use Lat Murray a little bit more or certainly as much as they used him against the Jags to reduce the wear and tear on Kamara!

I didn’t get to watch the game Sunday I watched tape Rewinding some carries . I’m impressed !!!
If he’s hurt he’s a hell of a back/ man that guy attacked a hole with or without a seam and delivered a lick to his tacklers . Nothing but praise for him.


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Beastmode 10-15-2019 11:23 AM

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Murray, didn't care for the signing but he did well filling in for the starter last year and this time he has a better line. If he starts it could really mess up Chicago. They have been game planning for Kamara when they might see Murray and a heavy dose of Taysom.

Bears run D is actually not good. Ours is way way better which is hard to believe.

foreverfan 10-15-2019 11:30 AM

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He is not hurt bad. The defenses are keying on him. No doubt they need to.

st thomas 10-15-2019 11:41 AM

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Are we facing chase Daniel or troublizki


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K Major 10-15-2019 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Beastmode (Post 861779)
Bears run D is actually not good. Ours is way way better which is hard to believe.

Bears rush D is currently ranked 5th in the league.

They are very good.

ScottF 10-15-2019 11:53 AM

Re: is Kamara right?
 
Rest him until Friday and then let him work. Not like he needs a ton of reps.

For the record, he averaged 47 snaps per game until Sunday, when he had 39, which was only 59% of all off snaps

Rueben Mayes 10-15-2019 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by st thomas (Post 861782)
Are we facing chase Daniel or troublizki


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so, it appears to be up in the air right now...

https://heavy.com/sports/2019/10/chi...sky-practices/

out of that article found at the link above, I tried to retrieve the most relevant information(which is vague and non-committal at this point as far as who the starter will be)
"While Nagy was non-committal regarding whether or not Trubisky would start, he did say that his QB1 threw the ball for the first time since getting injured in Week 4. Nagy said he thought Trubisky “looked good,” although his comments seemed to be a good sign for the Bears.

Bears HC Matt Nagy on Mitch Trubisky throwing at Monday's practice: "I thought he looked good."

…Nagy won't commit to Trubisky playing vs. Saints. But if he looks good and there's no setback, there's every reason to expect MT10 will start.

— Rich Campbell (@Rich_Campbell) October 14, 2019

The Bears will face a very tough 5-1 Saints team, and Trubisky still deserves the rest of the season to progress and show what he’s got. Nagy also noted that if Trubisky does start against the Saints Sunday, the quarterback will be game-ready. “You can’t tell somebody to be game ready and not get hit,” he said.

Matt Nagy says that if Mitch Trubisky is cleared to play, then he’s going to be ready to take a hit: "You can’t tell somebody to play a game and not get hit.” #Bears

— Adam Hoge (@AdamHoge) October 14, 2019"

st thomas 10-15-2019 12:05 PM

Re: is Kamara right?
 
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Originally Posted by Rueben Mayes (Post 861787)
so, it appears to be up in the air right now...



https://heavy.com/sports/2019/10/chi...sky-practices/



out of that article found at the link above, I tried to retrieve the most relevant information(which is vague and non-committal at this point as far as who the starter will be)

"While Nagy was non-committal regarding whether or not Trubisky would start, he did say that his QB1 threw the ball for the first time since getting injured in Week 4. Nagy said he thought Trubisky “looked good,” although his comments seemed to be a good sign for the Bears.



Bears HC Matt Nagy on Mitch Trubisky throwing at Monday's practice: "I thought he looked good."



…Nagy won't commit to Trubisky playing vs. Saints. But if he looks good and there's no setback, there's every reason to expect MT10 will start.



— Rich Campbell (@Rich_Campbell) October 14, 2019



The Bears will face a very tough 5-1 Saints team, and Trubisky still deserves the rest of the season to progress and show what he’s got. Nagy also noted that if Trubisky does start against the Saints Sunday, the quarterback will be game-ready. “You can’t tell somebody to be game ready and not get hit,” he said.



Matt Nagy says that if Mitch Trubisky is cleared to play, then he’s going to be ready to take a hit: "You can’t tell somebody to play a game and not get hit.” #Bears



— Adam Hoge (@AdamHoge) October 14, 2019"



Thanks bro well he’s gonna get hit a few times so he better be ready ah!!


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The Dude 10-15-2019 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Beastmode (Post 861779)
Murray, didn't care for the signing but he did well filling in for the starter last year and this time he has a better line. If he starts it could really mess up Chicago. They have been game planning for Kamara when they might see Murray and a heavy dose of Taysom.

Bears run D is actually not good. Ours is way way better which is hard to believe.

I think Murray is a lot like Ingram in the way he needs multiple touches to build up steam and get into a rythem. When Kamara got here he just
Seemed to kind of feed off him and could be plugged in every now and then and still break loose. Early on though he needed repetition.

Beastmode 10-15-2019 12:20 PM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 861783)
Bears rush D is currently ranked 5th in the league.

They are very good.


They gave up over 150 and 3 TD last game on the ground. I looked at it and against the run they are middle of the road after that game. Technically they are worse than middle of the road against the run looking at the entire body of work.

K Major 10-15-2019 12:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Beastmode (Post 861792)
They gave up over 150 and 3 TD last game on the ground. I looked at it and against the run they are middle of the road after that game. Technically they are worse than middle of the road against the run looking at the entire body of work.


Beast,

Chicago Defense rank 3rd in points allowed, 6th in total yards allowed, 10th against the pass & 5th in rushing yards allowed. Nothing in those stats say that they are middle of the road after 5 weeks of play on DEFENSE. Nothing.

Source - > Chicago Bears Stats at NFL.com

Source - > https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/stats/...g-type-defense

Source - > https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/team-s...defense&sort=2

They are currently FIRST ON KICK OFF/PUNT RETURN avg.

Source - > https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/team-s...turning&sort=9

cmike 10-15-2019 01:00 PM

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Definitely not 100%. He went down on first contact all game. That rarely happens.

Beastmode 10-15-2019 01:37 PM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 861793)
Beast,

Chicago Defense rank 3rd in points allowed, 6th in total yards allowed, 10th against the pass & 5th in rushing yards allowed. Nothing in those stats say that they are middle of the road after 5 weeks of play on DEFENSE. Nothing.

Source - > Chicago Bears Stats at NFL.com

Source - > https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/stats/...g-type-defense

Source - > https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/team-s...defense&sort=2

They are currently FIRST ON KICK OFF/PUNT RETURN avg.

Source - > https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/team-s...turning&sort=9




Fantasy stats have them below avg against the run. The Oakland game was embarrassing for them. They also lost Hicks. I think we run it down their throat no problem.

Rugby Saint II 10-15-2019 01:47 PM

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Payton did the very thing he talks about not doing.....he ran Kamara in the ground. Then he kept whipping him until he finished the race. Even sturdy toys get broken.

The Dude 10-15-2019 03:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 861808)
Payton did the very thing he talks about not doing.....he ran Kamara in the ground. Then he kept whipping him until he finished the race. Even sturdy toys get broken.

Ikr. It was an AFC opponent and we have a ton NFC games going forward. I get home field advantage and I get keeping up player moral with wins but don’t get too greedy this early. Especially now that Brees is out.

ChrisXVI 10-15-2019 07:24 PM

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st thomas 10-15-2019 07:27 PM

is Kamara right?
 
Pj Williams omgoodness


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ChrisXVI 10-15-2019 07:38 PM

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If he does have a high ankle sprain just rest him for the next two games and through the bye week. We’ll regroup after the bye with a healthy Brees and Kamara.

AsylumGuido 10-16-2019 07:42 AM

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If he feels he can play and the doctors feel he can play, he needs to play. EVERY game is important. Conference games are very important. At this point of the season there isn't a player that is at 100% ... except, ironically, Drew Brees very soon. If a 75% Kamara can give us a better chance of winning than the alternative then he needs to be in there.

The Dude 10-16-2019 09:05 AM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 861961)
If he feels he can play and the doctors feel he can play, he needs to play. EVERY game is important. Conference games are very important. At this point of the season there isn't a player that is at 100% ... except, ironically, Drew Brees very soon. If a 75% Kamara can give us a better chance of winning than the alternative then he needs to be in there.

Naw man that’s not what needs to happen.

K Major 10-16-2019 09:15 AM

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I'm no Orthopedic surgeon but I do know high ankle sprains can be tricky based on the severity.

Remember when Mitch Loewen had that "high ankle" sprain vs the Patriots ? ... there was no timetable on when he would return but ended up having off season surgery. I know Alvin is a warrior but gotta think late season "push". We have grinder in Murray and Washington. You signed him (Latavius) this off season, may as well use em.

Careful here with Kamara.

44Champs 10-16-2019 10:14 AM

Re: is Kamara right?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 861961)
If he feels he can play and the doctors feel he can play, he needs to play. EVERY game is important. Conference games are very important. At this point of the season there isn't a player that is at 100% ... except, ironically, Drew Brees very soon. If a 75% Kamara can give us a better chance of winning than the alternative then he needs to be in there.

Are you happy with how Kamara played on Sunday? He had 66 yards on 18 touches and 1 fumble. I know JAX D is good but he makes good defenses look bad when he's healthy. Of course he's going to say he can play and of course the Drs will back him up. But if he's dealing with a high ankle "issue" he's just gonna get worse as the season goes on. We're 5-1 and can afford to rest him right now at least for 1 game.

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st thomas 10-16-2019 10:36 AM

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Originally Posted by 44Champs (Post 861982)
Are you happy with how Kamara played on Sunday? He had 66 yards on 18 touches and 1 fumble. I know JAX D is good but he makes good defenses look bad when he's healthy. Of course he's going to say he can play and of course the Drs will back him up. But if he's dealing with a high ankle "issue" he's just gonna get worse as the season goes on. We're 5-1 and can afford to rest him right now at least for 1 game.

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If y’all want to play in Green Bay or Chicago in January let’s sit him.


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44Champs 10-16-2019 11:28 AM

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Originally Posted by st thomas (Post 861987)
If y’all want to play in Green Bay or Chicago in January let’s sit him.


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So you dont think we can get HF advantage if we sit him for a week. Just like we wont win a game without Brees.

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st thomas 10-16-2019 12:09 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by 44Champs (Post 861990)
So you dont think we can get HF advantage if we sit him for a week. Just like we wont win a game without Brees.

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Decoy him we would go from 2.5 weapons to 1.5 without him. They double Thomas with man on top . He’s corralled if Murray’s in there they will stop the run. Chicago is a bad ass place to play. Teddy hopefully won’t get overwhelmed .how bad is AK ?


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rezburna 10-16-2019 12:12 PM

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Suit him up and monitor his touches.

AsylumGuido 10-16-2019 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 861996)
Suit him up and monitor his touches.

Exactly. Believe it or not, the team knows best how to handle the situation. More so than ANY us. I heard Dr. David Chao talking about high ankle injuries and the varying degrees last week when referring to Mahomes. He said there are some that are no more hindering than a normal ankle sprain and can be managed with rest between starts. If he suits up it's because he can play and make the team better.

44Champs 10-16-2019 03:42 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by st thomas (Post 861994)
Decoy him we would go from 2.5 weapons to 1.5 without him. They double Thomas with man on top . He’s corralled if Murray’s in there they will stop the run. Chicago is a bad ass place to play. Teddy hopefully won’t get overwhelmed .how bad is AK ?


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That sounds like good strategy. Not sure how bad his ankle is but he sustained a knee injury as well. I just want him healthy for the long stretch.

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WillMacKenzie 10-16-2019 04:32 PM

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Team always knows best around here huh?

Letting Sproles walk, letting Jenkins walk, letting Ingram walk, hiring Rob Ryan, Delvin Breaux’s well chronicled injury fiasco, the Byrd experiment, not running the ball more early in Sean’s career (he’s even admitted such) etc etc

Even highly paid professionals make mistakes. And some criticisms are valid to consider, regardless of whether we like hearing them or not.

Unintended consequences are minimized when hypotheticals are at least given some brain space.


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