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Just can’t handle the praise these guys get. When the saints are playing better caliber teams .
Teams they played /records
Patriots —7-0. Teams they beat 11-27
Saints — 6-1. Teams they beat 25-22


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Most times teams playing the Patriots get out coached. That being said the Pats have had the luxury
of having arguably one of the best QB's in the league today. Not to mention no Patriot Player wants to
sit in Belichik's Office Monday morning and receive the wrath of Lucifer.

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Lol


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They are very good. Probably get better with the looming trade deadline if they get another threat like AJ Green. The way they use their RB's is amazing. We don't have that luxury.

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Six guaranteed wins in division every damn year certainly helps.
It is amazing how bad that div has been for decades.
They should be relegated.

The Pats are really good though.
Coaching and culcha.

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Isn't it a good team's job to beat the ever loving **** out of garbage teams????

The Pats are doing it... The 49ers are doing it....

I hate this argument, cause they are blowing teams out. They're not barely getting past them by the skin of their teeth like Seattle has done with 4 out of their 5 wins by a combined 8 points total.

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The AFC East is the only reason they are ever good. This tired cliche always comes up with them. "but the AFC East!" people say.....

Funny how this never explains how badly they mop the floor with the "good" teams of the AFC in the playoffs.... Every year, these super hyped up AFC teams go into Foxboro in the playoffs and get their skulls crushed, but people still beat the drum about the AFC East being the only reason New England is any good.

The Pats have a win percentage of over 78% in their non-divisional games, the highest in the NFL since 2001. But no, it's definitely the AFC East the only reason they are good.

As I have said many times before; this "they're only good cause their division sucks" argument actually has a point when you are looking at a team like Green Bay, Kansas City or even the Colts - these teams dominate their sorry ass divisions and then struggle in the playoffs. Aaron Rodgers actually has a losing record on the road and when you remove Detroit, Chicago, and Minnesota, his QBR drops to below average levels in those games. There's a reason GB, KC and Indy have so many embarrassing playoff losses in the past 15 years after going through their cupcake divisions. The Pats don't have this problem, they dominate in the post season.

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good enough to go to SB and lose this time.. but no, it wont be to Saints

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Going to post this here once, and maybe people will actually get it and stop repeating this BS about the Pats only being good cause of the AFC East.


https://i.imgur.com/h44eEfE.jpg

Take a good hard look at this pic.

If internet existed back in the 80's and 90's, I am sure this would've been a talking point with the old 49ers. I can hear it now - "They're only good cause the NFC West! They get 5-6 easy wins every year cause of the Saints, Falcons and Rams! Wait, what? They beat the Bears in the playoffs multiple times back in the 80's? Ah who cares, their division was weak!"

BTW the reason I am making this comparison - Joe Montana and Steve Young BOTH retired with undefeated records in the Superdome. The only times we beat them at home were when backups Bono and Grbac started (and guess what? We even lost to Bono at Candlestick in 1991! God I hated the 49ers back then and still do). Young also never lost vs the Rams in his entire career, having a 10-0 record against them. So yeah, you can easily bet that people on the internet back in the early 90's would've been saying this same stupid crap about the Niners dominance, even when the NFC West had playoff contenders - the Rams made it in 1989, we were a contender in the late 80's and early 90's, as was the Falcons between years.

You wanna see some teams who actually do benefit from crap divisions????Look no further than the Packers, Chiefs and Colts of the past 15 years. Pull up their records vs non-divisional teams and compare it to their records vs divisional opponents.

As I said before; Aaron Rodgers actually has a losing record on the road. Not a lot of people know this cause it's rarely ever talked about (Brett Favre also retired with a losing record on the road). His QBR also drops down to below average levels when you remove the games at Chicago, Detroit and Minnesota. His career all time road record don't look as bad as it could thanks to those crap teams that Green Bay gets to beat up on and has during his whole career.

Last 2 times GB made the playoffs, they barely got in at 10-6. That was from a 5-1 record vs their division and then going 5-5 the rest of the way. (So far this year, GB is 3-0 and looks immortal vs their crappy division while looking beatable in 2 of their 3 wins against non-divisional teams).

FFS the Packers won their division in 2014 with a record of 8-7-1. Of those 8 wins, 5 of them were against their divisional foes. They went one and done in the playoffs. Aaron Rodgers has a playoff record that looks like Peyton Manning's with all the embarrassing home playoff losses when his team is favored.

The Colts in 2012, 2013 and 2014 went 11-5. All 3 years they were 5-1, 6-0 and 6-0 again vs the AFC South. Their record vs non-divisional opponents? 5-5. These Colts teams got embarrassed in the playoffs with epic blowout losses - 2 of them by the Patriots, whom people seriously think are only good cause of the AFC East.

You could also go back to the Peyton Manning era Colts and find years where they beat the crap out of a sorry AFC South and then went one and done in the playoffs. The AFC South in the 2000s was worse than the AFC East - Houston was an expansion team, Jacksonville was laughable and Tennessee was the LOL Jeff Fisher show. This narrative about the AFC East is only a recent thing. Back in the 2000s, this narrative used to be spoken a lot about the Colts, cause they were the team that would rack up an easy division win then get embarrassed in the playoffs.

Kansas City in 2016 went 12-4. Of that record, they were 6-0 vs the AFC West that year. What happened in the playoffs? Embarrassing loss at home to go one and done.

The Chiefs also got an easy division win in 2017 with a 5-1 record vs the AFC West and a 5-5 record vs their non divisional foes to make 11-5. What happened in the playoffs? Did you guess an embarrassing home playoff loss to go one and done? You guessed right!

K.C. been benefiting from a horrible AFC West since the Broncos collapsed into mediocrity after 2015. You could argue Denver was also taking advantage of that crap division in the Manning years cause they won all their divisional games, including the ones against the so-called tough Chiefs, whom they had a 5-1 record against during that time span.

All 3 of these teams have something in common - they all have embarrassing playoff losses in the years they barely made the playoffs thanks to their sorry division. Do the Patriots have embarrassing blow out playoff losses or blown leads like them? No. But for some reason, you never hear the Packers, Chiefs or Colts criticized for benefiting on their crap divisions. Instead, this narrative is given to a team that has reached the conference title game now for 8 consecutive years. Maybe the Pats really are a great franchise and dynasty? If they truly benefited off an easy division, they'd be getting bounced from the playoffs quick and having embarrassing playoff losses like the 3 teams I just ran through do.

One final thing - the Patriots are a MAJOR reason the AFC East teams suck. It's a great team's job to beat the crap out of bad teams, and they do that job well. The same can be said for the Colts dominating the AFC South back in the day and keeping those teams down in the basement. As those of us who grew up in the 80's and 90's know, the 49ers used to victimize us and the other NFC West teams as well.

I truly believe one of the main reasons the AFC East teams are managed so badly is cause they are traumatized by the Patriots in the same way that the old NFC West teams would panic and make stupid moves trying to compete with the 49ers. For years, the Saints, Falcons and Rams were stuck with that Goliath looming over them and couldn't get past the Niners. We would have entire seasons hinge on beating the 49ers to determine our playoff road. Looking at some of the decisions the Bills, Jets and Dolphins management has made over the past decade, it's like they're desperate to try anything to just compete with the Pats.

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Good enough to overcome a 28-3 deficit vs the Falcons :).

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Speaking of losers.

:rolleyes:

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Good enough.

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The only reason I brought this up is if it were New Orleans that’s undefeated and beating up teams with those records that would be all u hear day in and day out they ain’t played nobody . If the pats played 5 buffalo teams they would have 2.5 losses. I believe. A division with young QBs that they play is like easy pickings for a defense to pile stats


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AFC looks worse than ever IMO.

I dont see any teams come playoff time beating NE.

You can make case on KC or Baltimore, but they going to disappoint at some stage. NE defense is going to neutralize Baltimore, KC may not even make it far enough to meet with Andy Reid on the sidelines.

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The Patriots are good. Make no mistakes about it. They were good back in 2009 too and we all remember what happened then. There ain't no team in the leuage that scares me right now.

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As is: above average

With refs: unbeatable

Our dline could whip them — but I can already see the flags flying

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There u go will . There success is there schedule as of now


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I had to modify my post slightly to reflect today’s reality. Sorry St Thomas

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Gilmore and the McCourty brothers are problems on DEFENSE.

This is one of the better defensive units I've seen from NE in a while.

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Long story short. Winning your division doesn't make you a "GOOD TEAM" winning in the playoffs does. I live in Indy and those embarrassing losses were and are talked about frequently.

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Those #s are 2001-2018

How about 2016-2019?

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They are good enough but the Saints are better.jmho

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https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...-so-damn-good/


Putting it simple, this is a historic defensive unit in the making. The best defense we've seen since the 2015 Broncos.


They're winning the battle against the deep ball and that's huge.

This is not a joke of a team. They weren't last year and they were the only team in the AFC that truly scared me last year, and so far this year that same thing is happening.

I have long said I don't think we would've beat them last year in the SB with how bad our offense had declined and struggled by the end of the year. It's hilarious how people try to discredit the Pats every year by talking about the AFC East and then completely ignoring it when they mop the floor with the overrated hyped up AFC teams in the playoffs. People look for anything to complain about the Pats yet in the end, they beat the crap out of whatever AFC team is picked against them in the playoffs. So much is talked up of how bad the AFC East is, yet the Pats will blow out their opponents in the playoffs.

Every year, there is some "AFC Dark horse" and the Patriots will beat the living crap out of that team in the playoffs. For crying out loud, people were convinced the Chargers last year had a shot in Foxboro and then acted shocked when the Pats moped the floor with them.

NE is the only team this year that I worry about. I don't care about the AFC East or their schedule. It's a good team's job to pummel and destroy trash teams, and they do that job incredibly well. They don't look like the Seahawks or 49ers who are barely beating bad teams. It's ironic to me that people worry about Seattle when they've struggled against horrible teams, yet in the same breath people argue the Pats are overrated cause of the AFC East, even though they are outright destroying those teams.

There are no other teams in the AFC who are going to really posse a threat to them. Don't even bother trying to convince yourself the Chiefs can do it, cause even if they can, Andy Reid will find a way to screw that up. Baltimore used to be able to compete with the Pats, but those days are over for them. Houston has been hyped up for years to do it but Bill O'Brien gets outcoached any time against his former master.

If we get a Saints/Patriots SB, I hope we're healthy going in and don't face the same problems we had at the end of last year when the offense struggled. I expect something like SB 50, with a real defensive battle and an ugly game that is a slugfest.

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That dude is trippen let’s see when they play a real football team


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I saw the buffalo game they had Brady stumped and yes the defense bailed his asre out with a blocked punt for there only TD. They are not world beaters there record is who they played. We win kick there asre with bridge rite now.ching


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We win kick there asre with bridge rite now

Arrrrr! Tis True! Me Hearties!!!

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Whether anyone wants to admit it or not, the Patriots are a very good team.

Better than most & always looking for ways to improve.

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Its like every begining of the season everyone is and considers their team as a SB contender until they get punched in the mouth. Seattle, Dallas we took them all down.

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i'll be absolutely correct on both things

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Patriots vs Ravens on Sunday night will be a good measuring stick.

Side note - on Nick Underhill's podcast he mentioned that they are just fundamentally sound defensively even though Greg Schiano left before the season, lost Matt Patricia, Flores etc however the are basically doing this without a defensive coordinator. 19 INT's so far. Nuts.

I understand Bill background is all defense but still ... that's impressive.

Coaching matters.

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Fair point but damn they are basically embarrassing the teams on their schedule.

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It’s coaching. Bill Belichick is a mastermind. Talent wise, they aren’t that loaded. However, nobody knows how to work with what they’ve got better than Bill Belichick. The guy is a genius with his personnel. He plays to the strength of what he has. How does this relate to the Saints though? I think we match up well.

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