st thomas

Just can’t handle the praise these guys get. When the saints are playing better caliber teams .
Teams they played /records
Patriots —7-0. Teams they beat 11-27
Saints — 6-1. Teams they beat 25-22


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RailBoss

Most times teams playing the Patriots get out coached. That being said the Pats have had the luxury
of having arguably one of the best QB's in the league today. Not to mention no Patriot Player wants to
sit in Belichik's Office Monday morning and receive the wrath of Lucifer.

st thomas

Lol


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Beastmode

They are very good. Probably get better with the looming trade deadline if they get another threat like AJ Green. The way they use their RB's is amazing. We don't have that luxury.

RockyMountainSaint

Six guaranteed wins in division every damn year certainly helps.
It is amazing how bad that div has been for decades.
They should be relegated.

The Pats are really good though.
Coaching and culcha.

CHA_CHING

Isn't it a good team's job to beat the ever loving **** out of garbage teams????

The Pats are doing it... The 49ers are doing it....

I hate this argument, cause they are blowing teams out. They're not barely getting past them by the skin of their teeth like Seattle has done with 4 out of their 5 wins by a combined 8 points total.

CHA_CHING

The AFC East is the only reason they are ever good. This tired cliche always comes up with them. "but the AFC East!" people say.....

Funny how this never explains how badly they mop the floor with the "good" teams of the AFC in the playoffs.... Every year, these super hyped up AFC teams go into Foxboro in the playoffs and get their skulls crushed, but people still beat the drum about the AFC East being the only reason New England is any good.

The Pats have a win percentage of over 78% in their non-divisional games, the highest in the NFL since 2001. But no, it's definitely the AFC East the only reason they are good.

As I have said many times before; this "they're only good cause their division sucks" argument actually has a point when you are looking at a team like Green Bay, Kansas City or even the Colts - these teams dominate their sorry ass divisions and then struggle in the playoffs. Aaron Rodgers actually has a losing record on the road and when you remove Detroit, Chicago, and Minnesota, his QBR drops to below average levels in those games. There's a reason GB, KC and Indy have so many embarrassing playoff losses in the past 15 years after going through their cupcake divisions. The Pats don't have this problem, they dominate in the post season.

A.8Manning

good enough to go to SB and lose this time.. but no, it wont be to Saints

CHA_CHING

Going to post this here once, and maybe people will actually get it and stop repeating this BS about the Pats only being good cause of the AFC East.




Take a good hard look at this pic.

If internet existed back in the 80's and 90's, I am sure this would've been a talking point with the old 49ers. I can hear it now - "They're only good cause the NFC West! They get 5-6 easy wins every year cause of the Saints, Falcons and Rams! Wait, what? They beat the Bears in the playoffs multiple times back in the 80's? Ah who cares, their division was weak!"

BTW the reason I am making this comparison - Joe Montana and Steve Young BOTH retired with undefeated records in the Superdome. The only times we beat them at home were when backups Bono and Grbac started (and guess what? We even lost to Bono at Candlestick in 1991! God I hated the 49ers back then and still do). Young also never lost vs the Rams in his entire career, having a 10-0 record against them. So yeah, you can easily bet that people on the internet back in the early 90's would've been saying this same stupid crap about the Niners dominance, even when the NFC West had playoff contenders - the Rams made it in 1989, we were a contender in the late 80's and early 90's, as was the Falcons between years.

You wanna see some teams who actually do benefit from crap divisions????Look no further than the Packers, Chiefs and Colts of the past 15 years. Pull up their records vs non-divisional teams and compare it to their records vs divisional opponents.

As I said before; Aaron Rodgers actually has a losing record on the road. Not a lot of people know this cause it's rarely ever talked about (Brett Favre also retired with a losing record on the road). His QBR also drops down to below average levels when you remove the games at Chicago, Detroit and Minnesota. His career all time road record don't look as bad as it could thanks to those crap teams that Green Bay gets to beat up on and has during his whole career.

Last 2 times GB made the playoffs, they barely got in at 10-6. That was from a 5-1 record vs their division and then going 5-5 the rest of the way. (So far this year, GB is 3-0 and looks immortal vs their crappy division while looking beatable in 2 of their 3 wins against non-divisional teams).

FFS the Packers won their division in 2014 with a record of 8-7-1. Of those 8 wins, 5 of them were against their divisional foes. They went one and done in the playoffs. Aaron Rodgers has a playoff record that looks like Peyton Manning's with all the embarrassing home playoff losses when his team is favored.

The Colts in 2012, 2013 and 2014 went 11-5. All 3 years they were 5-1, 6-0 and 6-0 again vs the AFC South. Their record vs non-divisional opponents? 5-5. These Colts teams got embarrassed in the playoffs with epic blowout losses - 2 of them by the Patriots, whom people seriously think are only good cause of the AFC East.

You could also go back to the Peyton Manning era Colts and find years where they beat the crap out of a sorry AFC South and then went one and done in the playoffs. The AFC South in the 2000s was worse than the AFC East - Houston was an expansion team, Jacksonville was laughable and Tennessee was the LOL Jeff Fisher show. This narrative about the AFC East is only a recent thing. Back in the 2000s, this narrative used to be spoken a lot about the Colts, cause they were the team that would rack up an easy division win then get embarrassed in the playoffs.

Kansas City in 2016 went 12-4. Of that record, they were 6-0 vs the AFC West that year. What happened in the playoffs? Embarrassing loss at home to go one and done.

The Chiefs also got an easy division win in 2017 with a 5-1 record vs the AFC West and a 5-5 record vs their non divisional foes to make 11-5. What happened in the playoffs? Did you guess an embarrassing home playoff loss to go one and done? You guessed right!

K.C. been benefiting from a horrible AFC West since the Broncos collapsed into mediocrity after 2015. You could argue Denver was also taking advantage of that crap division in the Manning years cause they won all their divisional games, including the ones against the so-called tough Chiefs, whom they had a 5-1 record against during that time span.

All 3 of these teams have something in common - they all have embarrassing playoff losses in the years they barely made the playoffs thanks to their sorry division. Do the Patriots have embarrassing blow out playoff losses or blown leads like them? No. But for some reason, you never hear the Packers, Chiefs or Colts criticized for benefiting on their crap divisions. Instead, this narrative is given to a team that has reached the conference title game now for 8 consecutive years. Maybe the Pats really are a great franchise and dynasty? If they truly benefited off an easy division, they'd be getting bounced from the playoffs quick and having embarrassing playoff losses like the 3 teams I just ran through do.

One final thing - the Patriots are a MAJOR reason the AFC East teams suck. It's a great team's job to beat the crap out of bad teams, and they do that job well. The same can be said for the Colts dominating the AFC South back in the day and keeping those teams down in the basement. As those of us who grew up in the 80's and 90's know, the 49ers used to victimize us and the other NFC West teams as well.

I truly believe one of the main reasons the AFC East teams are managed so badly is cause they are traumatized by the Patriots in the same way that the old NFC West teams would panic and make stupid moves trying to compete with the 49ers. For years, the Saints, Falcons and Rams were stuck with that Goliath looming over them and couldn't get past the Niners. We would have entire seasons hinge on beating the 49ers to determine our playoff road. Looking at some of the decisions the Bills, Jets and Dolphins management has made over the past decade, it's like they're desperate to try anything to just compete with the Pats.

neugey

Good enough to overcome a 28-3 deficit vs the Falcons .