CB situation just ruined our chance to get the key WR in FA
 

The needless injury to Eli Apple

has thrown a monkey wrench in our plans to get another WR to help out Michael Thomas

ironic that Thomas' bone headed decision to field a short onside kick lead to Eli being on Soldier Field a few minutes later



How is Eli - not a peep from a Saints injury report ?

I imagine if it was real bad we would have heard by now
hoping it is minor and he can safely rest up past the bye
guy was balling it on the field too



FA WRs Sanders, Sanu gone - and to competitors



rather than being aggressive on our biggest long term need - wide receiver

(short term case like AJ Green could be enough to fight off good defenses down the season - jettison the contract next year)



now we are tied up taking a look at old has been Panther's cbs

https://saintswire.usatoday.com/2019...-apple-injury/

Re: CB situation just ruined our chance to get the key WR in FA
 

In all fairness, Patrick Robinson hurt his hamstring and PJ Williams is still suspended... so we need a little depth.

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no official word on Apple is required until the Wed practice session

Re: CB situation just ruined our chance to get the key WR in FA
 

His mom said he will be fine. I believe mommy


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Re: CB situation just ruined our chance to get the key WR in FA
 

AT you bring up a great point; Why was MT out there in the first place. Was it really that critical. I would like to hear Payton's reasoning on that one with our best player.

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You want your best hands on the field for that play. Thomas misjudged it plain and simple. He’s also dropped a pass or two. Should we consider replacing him on passing downs?

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Unfortunate injury for sure but you’re mistaken to correlate it with MT’s play. What about Ginn dropping a TD? Or Lutz missing a FG? Or what Cam Jordan had for breakfast?

So much anxiety...

Pats and Niners OVERPAID for their trades. It’s clear the front office isn’t willing to give that much compensation for a role player WR. Sit tight. I’ll bet you we find the right player

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You talk like we have a high school or college sized active roster. We can only dress 45 players on game day. Thomas in on the "hands team" which is where he belongs. They were talking about this very subject on Monday on Moving the Chains on NFL Radio. Kirwan and Miller both stressed that you can't simply sit out players at the end of games when you already have a few already banged up. It's more dangerous bringing in a player not accustomed to filling the role. It can result in injury to himself or others. Football is a violent game and injuries can happen at any time, even if you are simply standing on the sideline.

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Why was Dez Bryant "practicing" when he got injured?

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Also, I don’t think Mickey Loomis works out DB’s.

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FA WRs Sanders, Sanu gone - and to competitors

Free Agents? Sanu cost the Pats a 2nd and Sanders went for a 3rd and 4th? How are they "FREE"?

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The players with the best hands are on the hands team. It’s been like that for as long as I can remember.

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Anyway, we could still trade for WR help if need be. We could trade Andrus Peat and a mid to late round pick for a Devante Parker, Jamison Crowder, or Golden Tate if need be.

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You have to do something.

Stats worth mentioning in the NFCCG vs Rams 2019

Michael Thomas - > 4 rec 36 yards on 7 targets / 0 TD's.

"Other guys " ...

Carr 1 catch
TLL 0 catches
J Hill 1 catch
TG Jr 3 catches
Arnold 0 catches (dropped a TD) :rolleyes:

Anyone that tells me we don't need another option/#2 WR is kidding themselves.

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I agree with you 100%. I believe there are more options on the trading block that are just going unmentioned. It was either AJ Green or Emmanuel Sanders, but I believe a talent like Parker would do well here. Perhaps even a Laquon Treadwell.

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I personally have faith in Crawley and Hardee for one game at least. The challenge this week will be rushing while containing Murray. He's short. He has to be pressured straight in his face but contained from running at the same time. Make him beat you with his arm. They can't give up big plays and first downs with him escaping and running.

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I really like Parker as well. He has had no one throwing him the ball in Miami.

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James Crowder.

Is he an upgrade over Austin Carr?

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I forgot. Do we still "TRUST IN SPAGS?"

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Robby Anderson is the guy . He won’t burden MT as would a AJ Green. In his spotlight . I always thought Anderson carried the jets


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Re: CB situation just ruined our chance to get the key WR in FA
 

Who says we're bringing in a free agent? Loomis might just stand pat and hand the draft picks he saves over to Jeff Ireland next year and watch him do his thing.

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We cut Zenner Tuesday, which hints at AK being healthy this week.
I'm not arguing with Apple's mom about anything, so hopefully we are a go there

I'm 100% on board with trading for a wide receiver, but it's worth noting that we are already down our 2nd and 7th round picks.

And next year's FA will be no picnic:
QB Drew Brees
QB Teddy Bridgewater
LB A.J. Klein
CB Eli Apple
CB P.J. Williams
CB Ken Crawley
SS Vonn Bell
DT David Onyemata
OG Andrus Peat
FB Zach Line
RB Dwayne Washington

Re: CB situation just ruined our chance to get the key WR in FA
 

Based on initial numbers ....

AJ Klein
Ken Crawley
Andrus Peat
PJ Williams
2 Glove Teddy

All are gone in 2020.

Re: CB situation just ruined our chance to get the key WR in FA
 

I’m hoping we can keep 2Gloves, but everybody else can go. As far as Jamison Crowder, he’s definitely an upgrade over Carr. Crowder would also add a little more speed to the position. He’s a 4.5 guy. Not blazing, but decent speed.

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Treadwell is a bust, and I never use that term.

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Possibly peaked at Ole Miss? Unfortunate & Zimmer has given him more than enough time to reach his potential.

Maybe he needs more coaching up/change of scenery but his confidence has been shaky.

Re: CB situation just ruined our chance to get the key WR in FA
 

Finally someone remembers our offense less times that count.


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Re: CB situation just ruined our chance to get the key WR in FA
 

Another thing to consider in a trade is losing draft picks for established Vets hurts the cap. We need to draft one like we did MT and get them on that rookie scale for a few years.

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not anxious

Thomas covers the ball - the defense isn't out on the field for Apple to get hurt

Thomas + another good veteran WR = more spread out - less double teamed pass coverage

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perhaps to the detriment of our deep playoff run

Thomas and Kamara get doubled up and we don't have that many more weapons - watch late 2018

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I'm not arguing that we need help. I'm saying Payton may wait for the draft picks so that we can manage the cap better. We currently have several starters who's contract is coming up and we only have X dollars to spend. I do agree that we need another WR or CB apparently but I'm not in the know with the front office.

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we need to be playing for this year

like Bellicheck did with Brandon Cooks

small window before FA salary cap nightmares

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The Pats made another move like that with trading for Sanu.

They have known since Brady turned 40 that they don't have much time with him.

I tell people on here all the time - these guys are not playing until their 45. We have now, not later to do this. We already wasted Brees' prime with those awful defenses between 2011 to 2016. We have to win it this year, no excuses.

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I know what you keep telling people on here all the time. While I totally disagree that these special players can't keep performing at a high level into their mid 40's, I do agree that we need to play for now ... every year.

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Brady looks like 2015 Peyton Manning this year at 42 years old. He didn't look all that great last year either. I don't ever want to see Brees decline that hard, which is why I think we need to try and win it all now and let him retire with that second ring. Brees has already begun to decline going by how bad he looked at the end of last year.

For me personally, I think it's heart breaking seeing these legendary QBs break down and play like a shell of their former selves in the twilight of their careers. Manning in 2015 was awful to watch. Both Manning and Brady would've lit the scoreboard up in their last 2 SBs with how well the Broncos and Pats defense was playing. It was also sad seeing Brett Favre in 2010 look old and slow. I don't want to ever see Brees like that.

I like what we have done on defense. It's similar to what Denver did when they realized Manning was nearly done. They went all in on defense and put together a dominant unit to take care of their aging QB. In my opinion, the Saints defense owes this to Brees after he spent years carrying them in his prime. They owe it to him to let him sit back and game manage while they do all the heavy lifting.

Everything is set up for us to take advantage of this year too. The NFC has some good teams, but thankfully the real race is going to be in the NFC North and NFC West divisions. Those teams are going to beat each other black and blue and I think whoever wins both divisions, will limp into the playoffs not at full strength.

My only concern is the Patriots and how good their defense would really be for us in the SB. That was an underrated defense all year and they proved it by thrashing teams in the playoffs. I would not be surprised if they finish 16-0 or 15-1 and then breeze through the AFC again. If it's us and them, that's going to be a SB battle for the ages.

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They didn’t “go all in and put together a dominant defense” because of Manning. They had already put together a dominant defense and all they needed was a smart QB who could manage the game. They knew Payton wasn’t going to be anything like he was in Indianapolis and Payton knew it too.

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Exactly.