Put to Bed Offense or Defense

saintswhodi · 07-26-2005, 02:15 PM

Originally Posted by saintz08

Dungy did improve the defense somewhat from Mora. And hence Manning improved.

Are you implying Black on Black , that a slight defensive improvement helped Manning become an elite qb ?????

Absolutely. It is wonderous how a team that gave up a measley 13 less yards a game than us can help their QB shatter the record for passing TDs in a season. So basically, if our defense allowed one less first down a game, our QB could have had 40 something TDs apparently.

BlackandBlue · 07-26-2005, 02:16 PM

You're exactly right BlacknBlue. It is really amazing to watch whether you like the Colts/Manning or not. Their ability to get the snap off with 1 sec on the clock with minimal confusion is very impressive. Gotta throw some credit to the OC especially with edge back there thinking about what rare metal to put in his mouth next. But, the QB runs that show and it is offensive efficiency at its absolute peak.

True, although I would be more inclined to give Manning a bit more credit. I think ScottyRo and I discussed this a while back. Watching Manning at the line of scrimmage, and the control he has over that offense is nothing short of amazing.

saintz08 · 07-26-2005, 02:23 PM

Absolutely. It is wonderous how a team that gave up a measley 13 less yards a game than us can help their QB shatter the record for passing TDs in a season. So basically, if our defense allowed one less first down a game, our QB could have had 40 something TDs apparently.

Think he will go after Drew Brees next ???

saintswhodi · 07-26-2005, 02:30 PM

Originally Posted by saintz08

Absolutely. It is wonderous how a team that gave up a measley 13 less yards a game than us can help their QB shatter the record for passing TDs in a season. So basically, if our defense allowed one less first down a game, our QB could have had 40 something TDs apparently.

Think he will go after Drew Brees next ???

Why not? lol Maybe he can explain to me how the Tampa defense made Brian Griese in just 10 games be able to complete 69% of his passes for 2600 yards, 20Tds, and a 97 passer rating on an offense that was LEAGUES worse than ours. They had one receiver, who was a ROOKIE, although I was glad to see Clayton break out like that. So after hearing how the Colts defense saved Peyton's career, maybe we can hear how Tampa's defense helped Griese achieve these phenomenal stats, with a worse offense.

saintswhodi · 07-26-2005, 02:30 PM

Originally Posted by BlackandBlue

You're exactly right BlacknBlue. It is really amazing to watch whether you like the Colts/Manning or not. Their ability to get the snap off with 1 sec on the clock with minimal confusion is very impressive. Gotta throw some credit to the OC especially with edge back there thinking about what rare metal to put in his mouth next. But, the QB runs that show and it is offensive efficiency at its absolute peak.

True, although I would be more inclined to give Manning a bit more credit. I think ScottyRo and I discussed this a while back. Watching Manning at the line of scrimmage, and the control he has over that offense is nothing short of amazing.

From what I understand, not only does Peyton control the offense, he has the freedom to call his own plays. How long has it been since a QB has had that kinda autonomy?

BlackandBlue · 07-26-2005, 02:54 PM

I believe my exact words were, "the Colts offensive coordinator has the easiest job in the NFL."

Tobias-Reiper · 07-26-2005, 03:01 PM

Originally Posted by saintswhodi

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From what I understand, not only does Peyton control the offense, he has the freedom to call his own plays. How long has it been since a QB has had that kinda autonomy?

10 years

WhoDat · 07-26-2005, 04:21 PM

Originally Posted by BlackonBlack

I just couldn't resist this!!! They held the Rams to 7 points throughout 50 minutes of the playoff game, and then gave up 30 something in less than 3 minutes? That's the sound of a good defense? And again you go with stats from 2000. The Saints played a last place schedule in 2000; You can only play who they schedule you to play but albeit, it was a last place schedule thanks to Ditka and what we did the previous year. So our porous defense stop and held up to the NFL'S worst.

Once we got to the playoffs and played a legit team what was the outcome? In 2000 how many above .500 teams did we beat? Now tell me again how good our defense was.

LOL

In 2000 the Saints ranked 14th in Passing Yards allowed, and 10th in completions allowed. 10th in INTs, 10th in Passing TDs allowed, 10th in rushing yards allowed, 11th in total yards. The team was also in the top ten in takeaways and led the league in sacks. They sent Glover, Joe Johnson, and Keith Mitchell to the Pro Bowl, and I think that was the year that Clemons had 13.5 sacks and 100 tackles at OLB. Sammy Knight went on to the Pro Bowl the next season.

They did this against the Rams (twice - 1st in the league in passing, 2nd in rushing, 1st in scoring, and 1st in total offense), 49ers (twice - 2nd in passing, 5th in yards, 4th in TDs, 7th in rushing, and 4th in total Offense), Denver (2nd in passing yards, 2nd in rushing yards, 2nd in total offense), Oakland (1st in rushing yards, 6th in passing TDs, 7th in total offense), Philadelphia (4th in rushing yards, 12th in scoring in the passing game), Seattle, Detroit....

Half their games were played against top 10 offenses and teams with winning records. Yeah, they were slouches. Hopefully this season the D can shave off 20 yards a game and catapult Brooks to 40 TDs and a 125 QB Rating. Pass the crack rock please.

saintz08 · 07-26-2005, 06:12 PM

Pass the crack rock please.

Maybe we are missing a two way player in Indy ??

Certainly it could be said that Warren Sapp helped out the offense .Of course that was from the tight end or tackle eligible position .

By the way WhoDat , No . I aint passin , I have been on this thread longer then you .

07-26-2005, 02:15 PM	#11
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Originally Posted by saintz08 Dungy did improve the defense somewhat from Mora. And hence Manning improved. Are you implying Black on Black , that a slight defensive improvement helped Manning become an elite qb ????? Absolutely. It is wonderous how a team that gave up a measley 13 less yards a game than us can help their QB shatter the record for passing TDs in a season. So basically, if our defense allowed one less first down a game, our QB could have had 40 something TDs apparently.

07-26-2005, 02:23 PM	#13
saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020	Absolutely. It is wonderous how a team that gave up a measley 13 less yards a game than us can help their QB shatter the record for passing TDs in a season. So basically, if our defense allowed one less first down a game, our QB could have had 40 something TDs apparently. Think he will go after Drew Brees next ???
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07-26-2005, 02:30 PM	#14
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Originally Posted by saintz08 Absolutely. It is wonderous how a team that gave up a measley 13 less yards a game than us can help their QB shatter the record for passing TDs in a season. So basically, if our defense allowed one less first down a game, our QB could have had 40 something TDs apparently. Think he will go after Drew Brees next ??? Why not? lol Maybe he can explain to me how the Tampa defense made Brian Griese in just 10 games be able to complete 69% of his passes for 2600 yards, 20Tds, and a 97 passer rating on an offense that was LEAGUES worse than ours. They had one receiver, who was a ROOKIE, although I was glad to see Clayton break out like that. So after hearing how the Colts defense saved Peyton's career, maybe we can hear how Tampa's defense helped Griese achieve these phenomenal stats, with a worse offense.

07-26-2005, 02:30 PM	#15
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Originally Posted by BlackandBlue You're exactly right BlacknBlue. It is really amazing to watch whether you like the Colts/Manning or not. Their ability to get the snap off with 1 sec on the clock with minimal confusion is very impressive. Gotta throw some credit to the OC especially with edge back there thinking about what rare metal to put in his mouth next. But, the QB runs that show and it is offensive efficiency at its absolute peak. True, although I would be more inclined to give Manning a bit more credit. I think ScottyRo and I discussed this a while back. Watching Manning at the line of scrimmage, and the control he has over that offense is nothing short of amazing. From what I understand, not only does Peyton control the offense, he has the freedom to call his own plays. How long has it been since a QB has had that kinda autonomy?

07-26-2005, 03:01 PM	#17
Tobias-Reiper Merces Letifer Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 4,161	Originally Posted by saintswhodi [ From what I understand, not only does Peyton control the offense, he has the freedom to call his own plays. How long has it been since a QB has had that kinda autonomy? 10 years

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07-26-2005, 02:16 PM	#12
BlackandBlue Kinder, gentler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,889	You're exactly right BlacknBlue. It is really amazing to watch whether you like the Colts/Manning or not. Their ability to get the snap off with 1 sec on the clock with minimal confusion is very impressive. Gotta throw some credit to the OC especially with edge back there thinking about what rare metal to put in his mouth next. But, the QB runs that show and it is offensive efficiency at its absolute peak. True, although I would be more inclined to give Manning a bit more credit. I think ScottyRo and I discussed this a while back. Watching Manning at the line of scrimmage, and the control he has over that offense is nothing short of amazing.

07-26-2005, 02:54 PM	#16
BlackandBlue Kinder, gentler Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: dirty south Posts: 3,889	I believe my exact words were, "the Colts offensive coordinator has the easiest job in the NFL."

07-26-2005, 04:21 PM	#18
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Originally Posted by BlackonBlack I just couldn't resist this!!! They held the Rams to 7 points throughout 50 minutes of the playoff game, and then gave up 30 something in less than 3 minutes? That's the sound of a good defense? And again you go with stats from 2000. The Saints played a last place schedule in 2000; You can only play who they schedule you to play but albeit, it was a last place schedule thanks to Ditka and what we did the previous year. So our porous defense stop and held up to the NFL'S worst. Once we got to the playoffs and played a legit team what was the outcome? In 2000 how many above .500 teams did we beat? Now tell me again how good our defense was. LOL In 2000 the Saints ranked 14th in Passing Yards allowed, and 10th in completions allowed. 10th in INTs, 10th in Passing TDs allowed, 10th in rushing yards allowed, 11th in total yards. The team was also in the top ten in takeaways and led the league in sacks. They sent Glover, Joe Johnson, and Keith Mitchell to the Pro Bowl, and I think that was the year that Clemons had 13.5 sacks and 100 tackles at OLB. Sammy Knight went on to the Pro Bowl the next season. They did this against the Rams (twice - 1st in the league in passing, 2nd in rushing, 1st in scoring, and 1st in total offense), 49ers (twice - 2nd in passing, 5th in yards, 4th in TDs, 7th in rushing, and 4th in total Offense), Denver (2nd in passing yards, 2nd in rushing yards, 2nd in total offense), Oakland (1st in rushing yards, 6th in passing TDs, 7th in total offense), Philadelphia (4th in rushing yards, 12th in scoring in the passing game), Seattle, Detroit.... Half their games were played against top 10 offenses and teams with winning records. Yeah, they were slouches. Hopefully this season the D can shave off 20 yards a game and catapult Brooks to 40 TDs and a 125 QB Rating. Pass the crack rock please.
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saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020	Pass the crack rock please. Maybe we are missing a two way player in Indy ?? Certainly it could be said that Warren Sapp helped out the offense .Of course that was from the tight end or tackle eligible position . By the way WhoDat , No . I aint passin , I have been on this thread longer then you .
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