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Old 10-28-2019, 01:58 PM   #1
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The Heisman QB Curse Lives

Since 2000 Chris Weinke, Eric Crouch, Carson Palmer, Jason White, Matt Leinart, Troy Smith, Tim Tebow, Sam Bradford, Cam Newton, RGIII, Johnny Football, Jameis CrabLegs, Marcus Mariota, Lamar Jackson, Baker Mayfield, Kyler Murray.

More BUSTS than a stripper convention!!
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Old 10-28-2019, 02:17 PM   #2
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Carson Palmer wasn't a bust to me.

I'd also exclude Troy Smith from the equation. He went 5th round in his draft class.
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Old 10-28-2019, 02:30 PM   #3
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A few of those guys have had pretty good careers and we would have been thrilled to have them pre Brees. Murray looked like he has the goods but just doesn’t benefit from a whole lot of talent around him.
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Carson Palmer wasn't a bust to me.

I'd also exclude Troy Smith from the equation. He went 5th round in his draft class.
Agree on Palmer. I had a front row seat (Not really. No way I buy a ticket to this POS team unless the Saints are in town) to see what happens when a Heisman winning #1 draft pick ends up under center of a stinking pile of sh*t team. The fact that Palmer was able to compile a 46-51 record while here probably warrants consideration for the NFL Hall of Fame.

Even Brees, Manning or Brady couldn't have saved the Bungles from the genius of Mike Brown.
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Old 10-28-2019, 03:10 PM   #5
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Agree on Palmer. I had a front row seat (Not really. No way I buy a ticket to this POS team unless the Saints are in town) to see what happens when a Heisman winning #1 draft pick ends up under center of a stinking pile of sh*t team. The fact that Palmer was able to compile a 46-51 record while here probably warrants consideration for the NFL Hall of Fame.
Speaking of the Bengals, remember those Akili Smith years?
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Palmer is the one guy in the list I would probably take as a QB. He was decent but was on bad teams, like how we saw Archie Manning back in the day.
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Speaking of the Bengals, remember those Akili Smith years?
Yep. Smith was part of the revolving door of Bungles QBs and coaches. I looked up his Wiki page to refresh my memory on the years he played here. The items that caught my attention included this....

"Smith scored a 16 out of 50 on the NFL-administered Wonderlic test when he first took the exam in 1998. His agent Leigh Steinberg hired a tutor to help improve his score for the 1999 scouting combine, and he scored a 37 on the second try."

And this beauty.
"Prior to the draft, there was an effort by New Orleans Saints' head coach Mike Ditka and management to get the Cincinnati Bengals' high draft position so the Saints could get Ricky Williams. The final offer, which was refused by Bengals management, was for nine draft picks, several extra in that year as well as many the next year. Instead of taking the trade, the Bengals stayed with their initial decision to draft Smith, who, while athletic, (he had also played two years of minor-league baseball and ran a 4.66 40-yard dash was still largely unproven, having only succeeded at the college level for one season."

So, Mike Brown had first right of refusal on Ditka's infamous deal and turned down 9 draft picks....for Akili Smith. And we wonder why the Bungles are the Bungles. At least Smith was able to stay out of jail. When I first moved to Cinci the joke going around town was that the team photos were always taken at the Hamilton County jail.
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Old 10-28-2019, 03:49 PM   #8
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I don't believe it's really a curse. Most of those QBs sucked and the ones who didn't, faced careers that were cut short by unfortunate injuries.

Winning the Heisman is a big deal in college, but more times than not, these players in the NFL don't really have great careers. Mark Ingram has a Heisman and you'll never see his name among the GOAT running backs no matter how much the fans on here like to claim he was so great for us.

Carson Palmer absolutely was not a bust. He was off to a great start in 2006 too until his injury in the playoffs. He was never quite the same again after that, even counting the good seasons he had in Cincy after that. Palmer did manage to have a late career surge putting out a great campaign in 2015 but we mostly remember that awful playoff game where he had 4 INTs.

Cam Newton also wasn't a bust. I know we hate him for being a Panthers QB, but Newton used to give us fits years ago. Whether it was a weak year for MVPs or not, he still has that achievement on his resume. I remember when Cam was big enough to be an LB and would plow through guys when he took off running. The Broncos ended his career in that SB loss where they exposed him and then they finished him off in the 2016 season opener with those blows to the head.

RGIII had bust written all over him and I tried to tell people years ago when Colts fans debated they'd rather him over Luck (Bill Polian wanted RGIII over Luck, even going as far as to claim that's who he would've picked).

Mobile QBs like RGIII and Lamar Jackson usually don't have lock careers cause they rack up injuries from running around.

Manziel and Mayfield I figured were going to be busts too cause they were such douchebags in college and getting into trouble.

I can't believe Murray was even a #1 overall draft pick. What I saw yesterday was a bust QB who really can't make plays and is in for a world of pain when the Cards have to start facing defenses that blitz and knock him around.
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And this beauty.
"Prior to the draft, there was an effort by New Orleans Saints' head coach Mike Ditka and management to get the Cincinnati Bengals' high draft position so the Saints could get Ricky Williams. The final offer, which was refused by Bengals management, was for nine draft picks, several extra in that year as well as many the next year. Instead of taking the trade, the Bengals stayed with their initial decision to draft Smith, who, while athletic, (he had also played two years of minor-league baseball and ran a 4.66 40-yard dash was still largely unproven, having only succeeded at the college level for one season."

So, Mike Brown had first right of refusal on Ditka's infamous deal and turned down 9 draft picks....for Akili Smith. And we wonder why the Bungles are the Bungles. At least Smith was able to stay out of jail. When I first moved to Cinci the joke going around town was that the team photos were always taken at the Hamilton County jail.
Wow ... just wow.
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I don't believe it's really a curse. Most of those QBs sucked and the ones who didn't, faced careers that were cut short by unfortunate injuries.

Winning the Heisman is a big deal in college, but more times than not, these players in the NFL don't really have great careers. Mark Ingram has a Heisman and you'll never see his name among the GOAT running backs no matter how much the fans on here like to claim he was so great for us.

Carson Palmer absolutely was not a bust. He was off to a great start in 2006 too until his injury in the playoffs. He was never quite the same again after that, even counting the good seasons he had in Cincy after that. Palmer did manage to have a late career surge putting out a great campaign in 2015 but we mostly remember that awful playoff game where he had 4 INTs.

Cam Newton also wasn't a bust. I know we hate him for being a Panthers QB, but Newton used to give us fits years ago. Whether it was a weak year for MVPs or not, he still has that achievement on his resume. I remember when Cam was big enough to be an LB and would plow through guys when he took off running. The Broncos ended his career in that SB loss where they exposed him and then they finished him off in the 2016 season opener with those blows to the head.

RGIII had bust written all over him and I tried to tell people years ago when Colts fans debated they'd rather him over Luck (Bill Polian wanted RGIII over Luck, even going as far as to claim that's who he would've picked).

Mobile QBs like RGIII and Lamar Jackson usually don't have lock careers cause they rack up injuries from running around.

Manziel and Mayfield I figured were going to be busts too cause they were such douchebags in college and getting into trouble.

I can't believe Murray was even a #1 overall draft pick. What I saw yesterday was a bust QB who really can't make plays and is in for a world of pain when the Cards have to start facing defenses that blitz and knock him around.
History says...stay away from Heisman Trophy winners, especially those that play QB. Some years back I looked up how many Heisman winners won a Super Bowl. The results showed that Heisman RBs had a decent showing. QBs...not so much.
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