When Kamara returns...

Saintsfan4ever · 11-04-2019, 02:24 PM

When Kamara returns (hopefully 100%) for the Alt game, will we see his role change some now that we know what Lat Murray can do? Maybe less AK between the tackles & more touches in space? Certainly Lat Murray has earned the trust to get a fair share of the carries. So, will we see a Kamara/Murray tandem similar to a Reggie/Deuce role?
Your thoughts?

jeanpierre · 11-04-2019, 02:41 PM

Maybe when Sports Illustrated releases the Super Bowl LIV Champions: New Orleans Saints Commemorative DVD, Payton will come clean on why it took so long to get Murray integrated in the offense?

Second thought, No, Payton won't be honest why it's taken so long; he'll tell his version as history is written by the winners...

SaintFanInATLHELL · 11-04-2019, 02:43 PM

Nope. CSP's offense is predicated on personnel being multiple, where players show the same look but can generate different actions from that look. If Murray creates a "run inside the tackles" tendency or Kamara generates a "receiver in space" tendency, then defenses will start to shift their resources to stop that. So since both can do both, expect moving forward that both will do both, both singularly and together on the field.

SFIAH

The Dude · 11-04-2019, 03:46 PM

I think he will give Murray more touches than he had before Kamaras injury. It will be pretty close to the way he used Ingram and Kamara. He will definitely be used more in the passing game than pre injury, that was the knock on him initially but has proved he can do it.

AsylumGuido · 11-04-2019, 03:59 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

I think he will give Murray more touches than he had before Kamaras injury. It will be pretty close to the way he used Ingram and Kamara. He will definitely be used more in the passing game than pre injury, that was the knock on him initially but has proved he can do it.

The knock on him by who? All I had ever heard about him when we first signed him was that he had soft hands and did well in the passing game. I know a few forum members that did not like the initial signing made claims that he wasn't effective in the passing game, but I just read that as uninformed bull****. I remember both K_Major and myself posting passing game numbers comparable to those of Mark Ingram while refuting those false claims.

cmike · 11-04-2019, 04:00 PM

Only the Refs can stop the Kamara/Murray combo from working. Off the top I can recall at least 5 TD’s called back for Ticky-tacky fouls. Also 2 scores by our defense because of stoppage of play.

SmashMouth · 11-04-2019, 05:14 PM

TBH, Adrian Peterson could've provided the same production.

Crusader · 11-05-2019, 01:49 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

The knock on him by who? All I had ever heard about him when we first signed him was that he had soft hands and did well in the passing game. I know a few forum members that did not like the initial signing made claims that he wasn't effective in the passing game, but I just read that as uninformed bull****. I remember both K_Major and myself posting passing game numbers comparable to those of Mark Ingram while refuting those false claims.

Hear hear!

burningmetal · 11-05-2019, 02:50 AM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

Nope. CSP's offense is predicated on personnel being multiple, where players show the same look but can generate different actions from that look. If Murray creates a "run inside the tackles" tendency or Kamara generates a "receiver in space" tendency, then defenses will start to shift their resources to stop that. So since both can do both, expect moving forward that both will do both, both singularly and together on the field.

SFIAH

Both players will do both, yes, but that doesn't mean Kamara's role won't be different. You said at the end of your post "and together on the field", and that's exactly how I think things will be different. Because while Kamara will continue to get carries between the tackles, I think it's safe to assume we'll see a lot of both players on the field at the same time, allowing Kamara to line up in the slot, which we know he can do.

Early in the year, it was either Murray or Kamara, but usually 95% Kamara, and never both. I'm not Sean Payton, but I can't imagine he won't try to take advantage of both players' talents by putting them on the field together, at least some of the time. To say that Kamara will be used differently does not mean that he has to be pigeon holed into doing one thing. But I think having both players on the field will be an advantage for the Saints, and it will probably, or at least possibly, mean more slot work for Kamara. He does his best work in the passing game. He's a good runner, but Murray is just as effective, though less flashy.

Beastmode · 11-05-2019, 04:26 AM

Depends on the score. Get behind less Murray. Up, More Murray. Close game a little more Kamara. Get way up almost no Kamara.

11-04-2019, 02:24 PM	#1
Saintsfan4ever 500th Post Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Moss Point, MS Posts: 612 Blog Entries: 1	When Kamara returns... When Kamara returns (hopefully 100%) for the Alt game, will we see his role change some now that we know what Lat Murray can do? Maybe less AK between the tackles & more touches in space? Certainly Lat Murray has earned the trust to get a fair share of the carries. So, will we see a Kamara/Murray tandem similar to a Reggie/Deuce role? Your thoughts?

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SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,786	Re: When Kamara returns... Nope. CSP's offense is predicated on personnel being multiple, where players show the same look but can generate different actions from that look. If Murray creates a "run inside the tackles" tendency or Kamara generates a "receiver in space" tendency, then defenses will start to shift their resources to stop that. So since both can do both, expect moving forward that both will do both, both singularly and together on the field. SFIAH neugey, leilung, Beastmode and 2 others like this.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,714	Re: When Kamara returns... Originally Posted by The Dude I think he will give Murray more touches than he had before Kamaras injury. It will be pretty close to the way he used Ingram and Kamara. He will definitely be used more in the passing game than pre injury, that was the knock on him initially but has proved he can do it. The knock on him by who? All I had ever heard about him when we first signed him was that he had soft hands and did well in the passing game. I know a few forum members that did not like the initial signing made claims that he wasn't effective in the passing game, but I just read that as uninformed bull****. I remember both K_Major and myself posting passing game numbers comparable to those of Mark Ingram while refuting those false claims. Crusader and rezburna like this.

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Crusader Resident Swede Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Märsta, Sweden Posts: 8,049	Re: When Kamara returns... Originally Posted by AsylumGuido The knock on him by who? All I had ever heard about him when we first signed him was that he had soft hands and did well in the passing game. I know a few forum members that did not like the initial signing made claims that he wasn't effective in the passing game, but I just read that as uninformed bull****. I remember both K_Major and myself posting passing game numbers comparable to those of Mark Ingram while refuting those false claims. Hear hear!

11-05-2019, 02:50 AM	#9
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: When Kamara returns... Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL Nope. CSP's offense is predicated on personnel being multiple, where players show the same look but can generate different actions from that look. If Murray creates a "run inside the tackles" tendency or Kamara generates a "receiver in space" tendency, then defenses will start to shift their resources to stop that. So since both can do both, expect moving forward that both will do both, both singularly and together on the field. SFIAH Both players will do both, yes, but that doesn't mean Kamara's role won't be different. You said at the end of your post "and together on the field", and that's exactly how I think things will be different. Because while Kamara will continue to get carries between the tackles, I think it's safe to assume we'll see a lot of both players on the field at the same time, allowing Kamara to line up in the slot, which we know he can do. Early in the year, it was either Murray or Kamara, but usually 95% Kamara, and never both. I'm not Sean Payton, but I can't imagine he won't try to take advantage of both players' talents by putting them on the field together, at least some of the time. To say that Kamara will be used differently does not mean that he has to be pigeon holed into doing one thing. But I think having both players on the field will be an advantage for the Saints, and it will probably, or at least possibly, mean more slot work for Kamara. He does his best work in the passing game. He's a good runner, but Murray is just as effective, though less flashy.
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