Dez Bryant says he’s two weeks away from trying out for the NFL

leilung · 11-07-2019, 12:01 PM

It wouldn't kill us to kick the tires, would it?

leilung · 11-07-2019, 12:03 PM

Originally Posted by foreverfan

The only reason he wants to come here is for a Superbowl.

IDK. I mean, wasn't he here before...just for the job? Or was he ring hunting then?

SmashMouth · 11-07-2019, 12:21 PM

Rugby Saint II · 11-07-2019, 12:27 PM

Bring him in and if he's got gas left in the tank then sign him. I have very little faith in him but I have even less in cook and Tre' smith. Dallas limited us and laid out the game plan on how to beat us with just our one receiver and a bunch of unproven players.

AsylumGuido · 11-07-2019, 01:13 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

Bring him in and if he's got gas left in the tank then sign him. I have very little faith in him but I have even less in cook and Tre' smith. Dallas limited us and laid out the game plan on how to beat us with just our one receiver and a bunch of unproven players.

If that game plan is so reliable then why are we 7-1?

dizzle88 · 11-07-2019, 02:37 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

If that game plan is so reliable then why are we 7-1?

Nothing wrong with wanting to get better though, we had tons of success early to mid season last year, then our offense really slowed down after the Dallas game.

Playoff caliber teams will work to shut Thomas and Kamara down like last year, if Dez can still play at a high level, then he can get open better than Tre'Quan or Austin Carr can.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 11-07-2019, 02:39 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

Bring him in and if he's got gas left in the tank then sign him. I have very little faith in him but I have even less in cook and Tre' smith. Dallas limited us and laid out the game plan on how to beat us with just our one receiver and a bunch of unproven players.

Is this from last year or from the Dallas game week 4 of this year? This year's game Dallas held in the red zone against Teddy in his second start but really had little luck stopping the Saints offense between the 20's. After that game, nothing other than the Jags game indicates that the offense is limited.

The real problem with Dez is that he's not multiple in any way. In the future he'll be in a receiver position that really requires more than just being a receiver. Go back and check the snap counts for TQS, Carr, and Kirkwood when they play. They play special teams, where Dez cannot and will not.

For some reason this 3rd/4th receiver position just seems like a solution looking for a problem to solve. In any case, Dez isn't the solution. The only true solution as I see it is healthy players as Cook, TQS, and Kirkwood, along with Kamara being unavailable posed the biggest issue for the offense. Everyone but Kirkwood is practicing, so I hope that everyone can stay the course through the playoffs.

I just wonder if we go unblemished in November and start December at 11-1 will the forums still be talking about how the 3rd/4th receiver position is really going to be the difference in the Saints offense being successful.

SFIAH

dizzle88 · 11-07-2019, 02:43 PM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

Is this from last year or from the Dallas game week 4 of this year? This year's game Dallas held in the red zone against Teddy in his second start but really had little luck stopping the Saints offense between the 20's. After that game, nothing other than the Jags game indicates that the offense is limited.

The real problem with Dez is that he's not multiple in any way. In the future he'll be in a receiver position that really requires more than just being a receiver. Go back and check the snap counts for TQS, Carr, and Kirkwood when they play. They play special teams, where Dez cannot and will not.

For some reason this 3rd/4th receiver position just seems like a solution looking for a problem to solve. In any case, Dez isn't the solution. The only true solution as I see it is healthy players as Cook, TQS, and Kirkwood, along with Kamara being unavailable posing the biggest issue for the offense.

I just wonder if we go unblemished in November and start December at 11-1 will the forums still be talking about how the 3rd/4th receiver position is really going to be the difference in the Saints offense being successful.

SFIAH

He's referring to the Dallas game last year, the offense looked lethargic after that game and that went into the playoffs.

14-0 early deficit against the eagles and then a bunch of drives that ended with nothing vs Rams. We had multiple chances to pull away from the Rams and we let the refs dictate the outcome by keeping it so close.

K Major · 11-07-2019, 03:33 PM

Posters who say "we are fine when Tre, Cook etc returns" kind of missed my point.

The goal here is to add another THREAT at WR that will enable a very good Saints team to become every better down the stretch & into the playoffs. To date Can't Guard Mike has 73 receptions /875 yards ... that's incredible. Lose Thomas for a series, half or game ... good grief. Yet we had a few people who argued that he shouldn't get paid this past off season.

Why does anyone think the Saints reached out to Denver (ESanders) & Cincy (AJ Green) on a possible trade?

At the end of the day Tre, Cook, Kirkwood, Jordan Humphrey and Carr have yet to produce. For me, it' not all about acquiring Dez but more about getting production on Sunday's from others not named Thomas. Does anyone realize that Taysom Hill (3 td's) has more receiving yards than all of those "other guys" not named MT & Ginn?

SaintFanInATLHELL · 11-07-2019, 04:46 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

He's referring to the Dallas game last year, the offense looked lethargic after that game and that went into the playoffs.

14-0 early deficit against the eagles and then a bunch of drives that ended with nothing vs Rams. We had multiple chances to pull away from the Rams and we let the refs dictate the outcome by keeping it so close.

Yes. That's what I thought. But this isn't last year. No "blueprint" has come to fruition in terms of stopping CSP's offense. The team is 7-1 after facing a current top 10 schedule in the league, and including facing that similar Dallas team.

To me it's been all about "What if?" What if CGM is double covered? Or CGM is unavailable for some reason? What then?

We have evidence in the last 8 games. 5+ games without Brees? The team goes 5-1. Games without Kamara? No problem. And none of this was last season. This is the Saints now.

I really think that it's just too much influence of fantasy football. FF players want to have all stars in every starting position, and in every backup position too. But that cannot be done with real teams. When CGM gets a $100 million extension, it does mean that some other part of the organization has to go without.

And going without the 3rd/4th receiver is something we can live with. The Saints have other playmakers. There's Ginn who has been productive when asked. Karama/Murray who execute outlets and screens to perfection. Cook was warming up before being injured, while TQS was injured on a play that gained 28 yards.

Also the most missing element of the lethargic finish last year was the health of the offensive line. Pretty much from tackle to tackle, from Peat, to Unger, to Warford, the line was dinged up late last season. Note that so far this season that hasn't been the case and the production and the record reflects that.

All of this to say that there's no way that the Saints' season going to hang on a 3rd/4th WR's production. That's a position that has to be multiple and productive without a bunch of targets and catches because after the balls to CGM, the backs, Ginn, Cook/Hill/Arnold, and Taysom, there's slim pickings left after that. My assertion is as long as the O-line holds up and Brees is healthy/fresh there's no defense that can defend the waves of options that CSP will throw at defenses down the stretch.

SFIAH

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leilung Booty Bandit Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: The Wastelands that are NJ Posts: 1,369	Re: Dez Bryant says he’s two weeks away from trying out for the NFL Originally Posted by foreverfan The only reason he wants to come here is for a Superbowl. IDK. I mean, wasn't he here before...just for the job? Or was he ring hunting then?

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11-07-2019, 02:37 PM	#16
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,208	Re: Dez Bryant says he’s two weeks away from trying out for the NFL Originally Posted by AsylumGuido If that game plan is so reliable then why are we 7-1? Nothing wrong with wanting to get better though, we had tons of success early to mid season last year, then our offense really slowed down after the Dallas game. Playoff caliber teams will work to shut Thomas and Kamara down like last year, if Dez can still play at a high level, then he can get open better than Tre'Quan or Austin Carr can. Rugby Saint II likes this.

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SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,773	Re: Dez Bryant says he’s two weeks away from trying out for the NFL Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II Bring him in and if he's got gas left in the tank then sign him. I have very little faith in him but I have even less in cook and Tre' smith. Dallas limited us and laid out the game plan on how to beat us with just our one receiver and a bunch of unproven players. Is this from last year or from the Dallas game week 4 of this year? This year's game Dallas held in the red zone against Teddy in his second start but really had little luck stopping the Saints offense between the 20's. After that game, nothing other than the Jags game indicates that the offense is limited. The real problem with Dez is that he's not multiple in any way. In the future he'll be in a receiver position that really requires more than just being a receiver. Go back and check the snap counts for TQS, Carr, and Kirkwood when they play. They play special teams, where Dez cannot and will not. For some reason this 3rd/4th receiver position just seems like a solution looking for a problem to solve. In any case, Dez isn't the solution. The only true solution as I see it is healthy players as Cook, TQS, and Kirkwood, along with Kamara being unavailable posed the biggest issue for the offense. Everyone but Kirkwood is practicing, so I hope that everyone can stay the course through the playoffs. I just wonder if we go unblemished in November and start December at 11-1 will the forums still be talking about how the 3rd/4th receiver position is really going to be the difference in the Saints offense being successful. SFIAH
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11-07-2019, 02:43 PM	#18
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,208	Re: Dez Bryant says he’s two weeks away from trying out for the NFL Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL Is this from last year or from the Dallas game week 4 of this year? This year's game Dallas held in the red zone against Teddy in his second start but really had little luck stopping the Saints offense between the 20's. After that game, nothing other than the Jags game indicates that the offense is limited. The real problem with Dez is that he's not multiple in any way. In the future he'll be in a receiver position that really requires more than just being a receiver. Go back and check the snap counts for TQS, Carr, and Kirkwood when they play. They play special teams, where Dez cannot and will not. For some reason this 3rd/4th receiver position just seems like a solution looking for a problem to solve. In any case, Dez isn't the solution. The only true solution as I see it is healthy players as Cook, TQS, and Kirkwood, along with Kamara being unavailable posing the biggest issue for the offense. I just wonder if we go unblemished in November and start December at 11-1 will the forums still be talking about how the 3rd/4th receiver position is really going to be the difference in the Saints offense being successful. SFIAH He's referring to the Dallas game last year, the offense looked lethargic after that game and that went into the playoffs. 14-0 early deficit against the eagles and then a bunch of drives that ended with nothing vs Rams. We had multiple chances to pull away from the Rams and we let the refs dictate the outcome by keeping it so close.

11-07-2019, 03:33 PM	#19
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11-07-2019, 04:46 PM	#20
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,773	Re: Dez Bryant says he’s two weeks away from trying out for the NFL Originally Posted by dizzle88 He's referring to the Dallas game last year, the offense looked lethargic after that game and that went into the playoffs. 14-0 early deficit against the eagles and then a bunch of drives that ended with nothing vs Rams. We had multiple chances to pull away from the Rams and we let the refs dictate the outcome by keeping it so close. Yes. That's what I thought. But this isn't last year. No "blueprint" has come to fruition in terms of stopping CSP's offense. The team is 7-1 after facing a current top 10 schedule in the league, and including facing that similar Dallas team. To me it's been all about "What if?" What if CGM is double covered? Or CGM is unavailable for some reason? What then? We have evidence in the last 8 games. 5+ games without Brees? The team goes 5-1. Games without Kamara? No problem. And none of this was last season. This is the Saints now. I really think that it's just too much influence of fantasy football. FF players want to have all stars in every starting position, and in every backup position too. But that cannot be done with real teams. When CGM gets a $100 million extension, it does mean that some other part of the organization has to go without. And going without the 3rd/4th receiver is something we can live with. The Saints have other playmakers. There's Ginn who has been productive when asked. Karama/Murray who execute outlets and screens to perfection. Cook was warming up before being injured, while TQS was injured on a play that gained 28 yards. Also the most missing element of the lethargic finish last year was the health of the offensive line. Pretty much from tackle to tackle, from Peat, to Unger, to Warford, the line was dinged up late last season. Note that so far this season that hasn't been the case and the production and the record reflects that. All of this to say that there's no way that the Saints' season going to hang on a 3rd/4th WR's production. That's a position that has to be multiple and productive without a bunch of targets and catches because after the balls to CGM, the backs, Ginn, Cook/Hill/Arnold, and Taysom, there's slim pickings left after that. My assertion is as long as the O-line holds up and Brees is healthy/fresh there's no defense that can defend the waves of options that CSP will throw at defenses down the stretch. SFIAH AsylumGuido likes this.
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