Saints: A good offseason?

WhoDat · 07-29-2005, 11:22 AM

As the Saints report to camp, I look back at offseason so far, and have to say that I am pleasantly surprised. The Saints have already signed all of their rookies aside from Brown, whose deal seems to be forthcoming.

In addition, they sgned Deuce long-term, are working with Bentley, McKenzie, and now it's rumored that the team is trying to sign Howard long-term. Added Dwight Smith, and Jermaine Mayberry, and a steady backup in Antowain Smith, plus Hakim, Poole, and Meier. Everyone is currently healthy. Not a bad offseason so far... and I ususally don't say that. Hat's off to Loomis for working the numbers. Now let's see what Haslett can do with these guys. Still, right now I'm fairly upbeat, which is strange for me at this point... or any point really. LOL.

Hey Kool and Whodi, I thought we couldn't sign our rookies without trading Howard. LOL LOL LOL LOL.

Nanny nanny poo poo.

saintswhodi · 07-29-2005, 11:43 AM

Hmm, seems like we released Ruff and Rodgers, re-did Joe, and re-did Deuce, which gave us more money. Seems like ALL these things happened after that discussion. Man, when you're off base Who, you yell it to the rooftops huh? :P

And who said Howard was getting a long term deal? I read they were working on Bentley and MM, nothing on Howard. Bit premature hey?

yasoon · 07-29-2005, 11:51 AM

I give us a good solid b on our offseason. (Assuming Mike,Fakhir, and Brown are on the field on 9/11).
My complaint is adding nobodies at LB (even though I like Finch).

One fairly quiet thing we don't really complain about is Carney. His leg was dead last year and he's old. For a team that has struggled in the red zone, you need a guy who is dead on inside of 45 yards. He could be a bigger problem than we think this year. His misses always seem to happen at the worst possible times.

4saintspirit · 07-29-2005, 12:01 PM

Well perhaps they are working on a long term deal with Howard to trade him. Not to be morbid or anything but the Eagles will be probably be looking for one.

In anycase -- I think the offseason was a success -- I would have liked to see a strong DT or Linebacker added to the mix but I think the players they did get were quality players who filled specific needs on our team.

BrooksMustGo · 07-29-2005, 12:10 PM

I'm fully involved in the annual pre-season blast of glowing optimism.

I'm pleased with the Horn signing. I'm elated about the Deuce signing. If we can get a long term deal with LeCharles and one of the CBs and get Brown into camp by Monday, I'd consider this a very successful late off-season. (still not sure what I think about the draft).

Since WhoDat has started the little Mea Culpas, I'm shocked that Brooks hasn't decided to hold out for a McNabb/Culpepper/Vick/Manning style mega deal.

But as all Saints fans are, I'm keeping my fists up. This franchise teaches that as soon as you give into reckless optimism, you get blindsided by week 3.

saintswhodi · 07-29-2005, 12:11 PM

Originally Posted by yasoon

I give us a good solid b on our offseason. (Assuming Mike,Fakhir, and Brown are on the field on 9/11).
My complaint is adding nobodies at LB (even though I like Finch).

One fairly quiet thing we don't really complain about is Carney. His leg was dead last year and he's old. For a team that has struggled in the red zone, you need a guy who is dead on inside of 45 yards. He could be a bigger problem than we think this year. His misses always seem to happen at the worst possible times.

I complained about Carney. I wanted us to get Edinger from the Bears, and even hoped we would draft Nugent. I am on board with the Carney has to go train.

saintswhodi · 07-29-2005, 12:12 PM

Originally Posted by yasoon

I give us a good solid b on our offseason. (Assuming Mike,Fakhir, and Brown are on the field on 9/11).
My complaint is adding nobodies at LB (even though I like Finch).

One fairly quiet thing we don't really complain about is Carney. His leg was dead last year and he's old. For a team that has struggled in the red zone, you need a guy who is dead on inside of 45 yards. He could be a bigger problem than we think this year. His misses always seem to happen at the worst possible times.

I complained about Carney. I wanted us to get Edinger from the Bears, and even hoped we would draft Nugent. I am on board with the Carney has to go train.

WhoDat · 07-29-2005, 12:42 PM

Yeah, I agree. Carney is a liability it seems.

As for screaming from the rooftops, I think that's what you and Kool were doing in May Whodi.

I said, it'll all be OK, it'll all be OK. Even with Howard's $8 million cap number we'll sign all of our rookies, etc. Loomis is a master at that. But no! Horn had to go, Howard had to go, or else we won't sign any rookies!!!! LOL

saintswhodi · 07-29-2005, 12:47 PM

Yup, it was gloom and doom back then. What's your point? Aren't you the same guy who claimed a victory when Joe Horn UNEXPECTEDLY did a 180 on his contract demands? Grain of salt. :P

WhoDat · 07-29-2005, 12:54 PM

No - I said from the start that it was posturing. But I did show that he was correct in saying that he was a top 5 WR, which for the last 5 seasons, he has been. Most of my arguing was with people who thought that the Saints would be better off with guys like Charles Rogers than Joe Horn, simply b/c Rogers is 24 and Horn, according to some who don't check their facts, will turn 57 this season.

07-29-2005, 11:22 AM	#1
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Saints: A good offseason? As the Saints report to camp, I look back at offseason so far, and have to say that I am pleasantly surprised. The Saints have already signed all of their rookies aside from Brown, whose deal seems to be forthcoming. In addition, they sgned Deuce long-term, are working with Bentley, McKenzie, and now it's rumored that the team is trying to sign Howard long-term. Added Dwight Smith, and Jermaine Mayberry, and a steady backup in Antowain Smith, plus Hakim, Poole, and Meier. Everyone is currently healthy. Not a bad offseason so far... and I ususally don't say that. Hat's off to Loomis for working the numbers. Now let's see what Haslett can do with these guys. Still, right now I'm fairly upbeat, which is strange for me at this point... or any point really. LOL. Hey Kool and Whodi, I thought we couldn't sign our rookies without trading Howard. LOL LOL LOL LOL. Nanny nanny poo poo.
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07-29-2005, 11:51 AM	#3
yasoon 500th Post Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 594	I give us a good solid b on our offseason. (Assuming Mike,Fakhir, and Brown are on the field on 9/11). My complaint is adding nobodies at LB (even though I like Finch). One fairly quiet thing we don't really complain about is Carney. His leg was dead last year and he's old. For a team that has struggled in the red zone, you need a guy who is dead on inside of 45 yards. He could be a bigger problem than we think this year. His misses always seem to happen at the worst possible times.
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07-29-2005, 12:01 PM	#4
4saintspirit 500th Post Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 690	Well perhaps they are working on a long term deal with Howard to trade him. Not to be morbid or anything but the Eagles will be probably be looking for one. In anycase -- I think the offseason was a success -- I would have liked to see a strong DT or Linebacker added to the mix but I think the players they did get were quality players who filled specific needs on our team.
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07-29-2005, 12:11 PM	#6
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Originally Posted by yasoon I give us a good solid b on our offseason. (Assuming Mike,Fakhir, and Brown are on the field on 9/11). My complaint is adding nobodies at LB (even though I like Finch). One fairly quiet thing we don't really complain about is Carney. His leg was dead last year and he's old. For a team that has struggled in the red zone, you need a guy who is dead on inside of 45 yards. He could be a bigger problem than we think this year. His misses always seem to happen at the worst possible times. I complained about Carney. I wanted us to get Edinger from the Bears, and even hoped we would draft Nugent. I am on board with the Carney has to go train.

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saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Originally Posted by yasoon I give us a good solid b on our offseason. (Assuming Mike,Fakhir, and Brown are on the field on 9/11). My complaint is adding nobodies at LB (even though I like Finch). One fairly quiet thing we don't really complain about is Carney. His leg was dead last year and he's old. For a team that has struggled in the red zone, you need a guy who is dead on inside of 45 yards. He could be a bigger problem than we think this year. His misses always seem to happen at the worst possible times. I complained about Carney. I wanted us to get Edinger from the Bears, and even hoped we would draft Nugent. I am on board with the Carney has to go train.

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07-29-2005, 11:43 AM	#2
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Hmm, seems like we released Ruff and Rodgers, re-did Joe, and re-did Deuce, which gave us more money. Seems like ALL these things happened after that discussion. Man, when you're off base Who, you yell it to the rooftops huh? :P And who said Howard was getting a long term deal? I read they were working on Bentley and MM, nothing on Howard. Bit premature hey?

07-29-2005, 12:10 PM	#5
BrooksMustGo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2003 Posts: 1,762	I'm fully involved in the annual pre-season blast of glowing optimism. I'm pleased with the Horn signing. I'm elated about the Deuce signing. If we can get a long term deal with LeCharles and one of the CBs and get Brown into camp by Monday, I'd consider this a very successful late off-season. (still not sure what I think about the draft). Since WhoDat has started the little Mea Culpas, I'm shocked that Brooks hasn't decided to hold out for a McNabb/Culpepper/Vick/Manning style mega deal. But as all Saints fans are, I'm keeping my fists up. This franchise teaches that as soon as you give into reckless optimism, you get blindsided by week 3.

07-29-2005, 12:42 PM	#8
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Yeah, I agree. Carney is a liability it seems. As for screaming from the rooftops, I think that's what you and Kool were doing in May Whodi. I said, it'll all be OK, it'll all be OK. Even with Howard's $8 million cap number we'll sign all of our rookies, etc. Loomis is a master at that. But no! Horn had to go, Howard had to go, or else we won't sign any rookies!!!! LOL
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07-29-2005, 12:47 PM	#9
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Yup, it was gloom and doom back then. What's your point? Aren't you the same guy who claimed a victory when Joe Horn UNEXPECTEDLY did a 180 on his contract demands? Grain of salt. :P

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WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	No - I said from the start that it was posturing. But I did show that he was correct in saying that he was a top 5 WR, which for the last 5 seasons, he has been. Most of my arguing was with people who thought that the Saints would be better off with guys like Charles Rogers than Joe Horn, simply b/c Rogers is 24 and Horn, according to some who don't check their facts, will turn 57 this season.
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