Brees is done

blackangold · 11-16-2019, 11:24 AM

The saints are 0-42 when running the ball less than 15 times in a game... Enough said..

AsylumGuido · 11-16-2019, 12:13 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

The saints are 0-42 when running the ball less than 15 times in a game... Enough said..

This is true, but there is no direct correlation that running the ball less than 15 times was the reason for the loss. Did they lose those 42 games because they didn't run the ball more than 15 times or did they run the ball less than 15 times because they couldn't sustain drives and thus lost the game?

That's exactly the false narrative that I was talking about earlier. According to Pat Kirwan and Jim Miller on NFL Radio, as I pointed previously, it isn't a lack of attempts to run the ball that leads to a loss, it is the inability to run the ball successfully and to extend drives that limits the chances to run the ball.

The Saints have lost 395 games when they DID run the ball 15 or more times. Let that sink in.

AsylumGuido · 11-16-2019, 12:23 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

The full play by play log can be found here.

Tell me which plays they should have used a running play and why. Don't forget, running on every single first down is asking for failure especially when it hasn't worked very successfully to that point and the defense is expecting it. Mixing in passes should open up the running game ... IF the receiver doesn't keep dropping the ball. When that happens you are basically forced to throw it again.

Originally Posted by blackangold

The saints are 0-42 when running the ball less than 15 times in a game... Enough said..

Follow the link above to the play by play log and tell me on exactly which downs where the pass was the choice, either initially called or switched to at the line, that running the ball was absolutely the best option.

TheOak · 11-17-2019, 08:43 AM

Originally Posted by blackangold

The saints are 0-42 when running the ball less than 15 times in a game... Enough said..

That is a stat, nothing more or less with zero causation. I will assume that you are assuming two things from that stat..
1. The Saints chose to run less than 15 times in a game?
2. Their choice is causing them to lose?

Here is another stat or two and how I interpret them:
1. Drew Brees is presently tied for second with Tom Brade in all time 4th Qtr come backs at 35 (Payton Manning has 43 and Johnny Unitas has 34).
2. Drew Brees is second only to Payton Manning for game winning drives @49 (Payton Manning is 54 and Dan Marino is 47)

Seems our crappy defenses under Spagnuolo, Ryan, and a few Allen years left the man playing catch up because our wet paper towel Defense couldn't stop a drip. What Fing team runs when behind? Okay, the Jets...

What no one has been able to answer yet is why in the hell didnt we abandon the run against the Cardinals??? Anyone please explain why... take a shot at it with your logic.

11-16-2019, 11:24 AM	#1
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Brees is done The saints are 0-42 when running the ball less than 15 times in a game... Enough said.. saintfan likes this.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,484	Re: Brees is done Originally Posted by blackangold The saints are 0-42 when running the ball less than 15 times in a game... Enough said.. This is true, but there is no direct correlation that running the ball less than 15 times was the reason for the loss. Did they lose those 42 games because they didn't run the ball more than 15 times or did they run the ball less than 15 times because they couldn't sustain drives and thus lost the game? That's exactly the false narrative that I was talking about earlier. According to Pat Kirwan and Jim Miller on NFL Radio, as I pointed previously, it isn't a lack of attempts to run the ball that leads to a loss, it is the inability to run the ball successfully and to extend drives that limits the chances to run the ball. The Saints have lost 395 games when they DID run the ball 15 or more times. Let that sink in.
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11-16-2019, 12:23 PM	#3
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,484	Re: Brees is done Originally Posted by AsylumGuido The full play by play log can be found here. Tell me which plays they should have used a running play and why. Don't forget, running on every single first down is asking for failure especially when it hasn't worked very successfully to that point and the defense is expecting it. Mixing in passes should open up the running game ... IF the receiver doesn't keep dropping the ball. When that happens you are basically forced to throw it again. Originally Posted by blackangold The saints are 0-42 when running the ball less than 15 times in a game... Enough said.. Follow the link above to the play by play log and tell me on exactly which downs where the pass was the choice, either initially called or switched to at the line, that running the ball was absolutely the best option.

11-17-2019, 08:43 AM	#4
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,039	Re: Brees is done Originally Posted by blackangold The saints are 0-42 when running the ball less than 15 times in a game... Enough said.. That is a stat, nothing more or less with zero causation. I will assume that you are assuming two things from that stat.. 1. The Saints chose to run less than 15 times in a game? 2. Their choice is causing them to lose? Here is another stat or two and how I interpret them: 1. Drew Brees is presently tied for second with Tom Brade in all time 4th Qtr come backs at 35 (Payton Manning has 43 and Johnny Unitas has 34). 2. Drew Brees is second only to Payton Manning for game winning drives @49 (Payton Manning is 54 and Dan Marino is 47) Seems our crappy defenses under Spagnuolo, Ryan, and a few Allen years left the man playing catch up because our wet paper towel Defense couldn't stop a drip. What Fing team runs when behind? Okay, the Jets... What no one has been able to answer yet is why in the hell didnt we abandon the run against the Cardinals??? Anyone please explain why... take a shot at it with your logic. Danno likes this.
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