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Rell&Gold 11-12-2019 07:57 AM

Saints Solution
 
Saints Solution is simple, BUT Payton doesn't do simple and it works for him... sometimes I'm surprised how, but it does. The solution to the Saints woes that were thoroughly exposed Sunday are simply RUNNING THE BALL...RUN THE BALL...RUN THE BALL.

The Saints at the moment don't have the weapons needed to spread defenses out through the air.

BUT they do have the means to have a HEAVY RUN, PA/PA ROLLOUT, OFFENSE that opens up passing game more

It's simple but Payton isn't the biggest fan of simple

Heavy Doses of Murray and Kamara is going to be a hard pill to swallow for any team.

Plus running the ball is easier on our Oline than Pass blocking

Everything Payton loves to do can be done if he lets the RBs do what they are paid to do.

There should be at least 20 touches between Kamara and Murray alone in the run game NO trick plays included. Pass rushing is easier than run stopping especially when your Oline is already on it's heels and defense is pinned back.....IJS make When Mark and AK combined in Rushing game those were some of our best games

blackangold 11-12-2019 08:22 AM

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This is why we lost last week and why we looked so bad against AZ in the first half. Payton is putting the ball in Drew’s hands too much, we win this year when we can run te ball and play defense. Payton is forcing the pass with Drew back.

ChrisXVI 11-12-2019 10:22 AM

Re: Saints Solution
 
Drew changes the play at the line.

K Major 11-12-2019 10:40 AM

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Bill Parcels used to always say Sean was too "pass happy" as a OC.

He could have Dickerson & Sanders in his back field but I don't think he'll ever change his style of calling plays.

Running the ball simply isn't his forte'.

Re watching that Atl game, I just don't understand why Coach wasn't patient with the run game. Latavius has produced at a high level & AK is at 85-90 %.

Having Brees drop back 45 + times just isn't healthy for anyone.

rezburna 11-12-2019 11:32 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 867124)
Drew changes the play at the line.

That’s true.

“Kill! Kill!”

Rugby Saint II 11-12-2019 11:32 AM

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Run the ball down their throats. You're right. It sounds simple.

The Dude 11-12-2019 12:07 PM

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Heard interview with Curtis Johnson yesterday and he said Harris is going to be way more involved in the passing game going forward. Said he’s picked up multiple positions and can play them well. He said Butler was behind because of his injury and never really caught up to the offense which made him one dimensional. He wants all the receivers to be able to line up anywhere and play any position. He said Butler is now up to speed and we will see more of him.
Lip service maybe who knows.
He also basically said Ginn **** the bed and he expects better.

neugey 11-12-2019 09:50 PM

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The Vikings are running the ball a lot more and are a heavy play-action team and it's working nicely for them. If we took a greater emphasis on running and play action ourselves it might play to our strengths too.

Vrillon82 11-12-2019 11:55 PM

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Drew itcy to play hero after being out for 5 weeks.

cant help but think and it sounds odd, that Bridgewater would of done better due to less play changing at the line.

cmike 11-13-2019 04:52 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by Vrillon82 (Post 867191)
Drew itcy to play hero after being out for 5 weeks.

cant help but think and it sounds odd, that Bridgewater would of done better due to less play changing at the line.

Been thinking the same thing but
was sure I’d get blasted for stating such.

Saint in Aus 11-13-2019 05:51 AM

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We had a good balance of run and passing last year which is the main reason we had a genuine chance. I have noticed since Drew got back that this has changed. Agree we need a better balance between the attacking options.

Rell&Gold 11-13-2019 06:46 AM

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Can we have conversation with context?....Some plays not all come with "Kill" plays when a certain look is given. I don't think Drew is aimlessly changing plays just for the fun of it. Idk what some of you mean by "Drew changes the play"? Some of you have a issue with any and everything when it "doesn't" work. Are we nitpicking or critically analyzing I can't tell anymore

AsylumGuido 11-13-2019 07:59 AM

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Anyone who truly thinks Brees would audible out of a running play into a pass play for personal glorification is beyond stupid. If Brees "kills" a play it is solely based upon the defensive alignment. In fact, I seem to remember a play that Brees killed that ended up being a run, instead. Atlanta's game plan was clearly to sell out against the run. They were willing to let the Saints try to beat them with Thomas alone.

TheOak 11-13-2019 08:26 AM

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Ummm. No one entertaining the possibility that we lost because our Defense has had its worst showing since week 3? They were sloppy, very sloppy and allowed Atlanta to have the ball for 7 minutes longer than we did.

That the run game wasn't here because our offensive line was too busy giving Atlanta 6 sacks and 5 tackles behind the line of scrimmage?

That just about all teams start passing when they are 2 scores down?

Ever consider that Bridgewater and our running game never had to play out of a hole?

Nahhhh, lets not ground anything in reality.

Panic is the recipe of the week. Lose a game and panic.

44Champs 11-13-2019 10:45 AM

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I agree with this. We have the Line and the RB's to do it.

RailBoss 11-13-2019 03:11 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by cmike (Post 867194)
Been thinking the same thing but
was sure I’d get blasted for stating such.

You betcha you would.. LoL

jeanpierre 11-13-2019 03:13 PM

Re: Saints Solution
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 867124)
Drew changes the play at the line.

Quote:

Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 867136)
That’s true.

“Kill! Kill!”

Quote:

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 867202)
Anyone who truly thinks Brees would audible out of a running play into a pass play for personal glorification is beyond stupid. If Brees "kills" a play it is solely based upon the defensive alignment. In fact, I seem to remember a play that Brees killed that ended up being a run, instead. Atlanta's game plan was clearly to sell out against the run. They were willing to let the Saints try to beat them with Thomas alone.

And how many of those plays end up being a run? Anyone? Anyone? Anyone?

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jeanpierre 11-13-2019 03:18 PM

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Couple of other thoughts on Drew making Audibles...

One, Drew isn't rotating the packages, players in each play, so we can't hang that on him if Payton isn't sending in Ingram, I mean Murray...

Two, Drew is the most prolific passer in NFL history, while he's not above being questioned on a play, hasn't he earned that discretion?

Third, what are the expectations of effective blocking, run or pass, when you've an offensive line that features a Dancing Bear at LT who plays just over half a season, two pussies at the guards and a rookie center?

Audiotom 11-13-2019 06:30 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 867290)
Third, what are the expectations of effective blocking, run or pass, when you've an offensive line that features a Dancing Bear at LT who plays just over half a season, two pussies at the guards and a rookie center?

Dancing bear, two pussies - one who now has a broken arm, rookie center who is playing great and a pro bowl tackle were doing pretty damn well till this game.

We need Taysom to suit up to replace Peat


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