This sums it all up...

saintswhodi · 07-31-2005, 03:50 PM

Originally Posted by ScottyRo

Yeah, the offense plays a part in what goes on with the defense, but, come on, in the first qtr the D shouldn't be letting the other team score that much except for when the O turns the ball over inside their own 40. The 3 & outs in the 1st qtr are no excuse to me for the D's performance. They weren't good last year no matter what the score until some personnel changes were made.

Yeah. That 7.3 point average the defense gave up for 16 first quarters seems unsurmountable when your offense is scoring zero.

saintz08 · 07-31-2005, 08:15 PM

Next I just went back and look at the scores from last year in the first 5 games, and what I found seemed pretty normal offensively.

NFL Leaders in %Completions, 1st Half (Thru games of Jan. 2, 2005)
(6.25 Att/Game)

Rank Player Team
1 Brian Griese TB 71.0 ( 125/176 )
2 Marc Bulger StL 70.9 ( 158/223 )
3 Daunte Culpepper Min 69.4 ( 179/258 )
4 Donovan McNabb Phi 69.2 ( 171/247 )
5 Chad Pennington NYJ 67.8 ( 135/199 )
6 Peyton Manning Ind 67.7 ( 191/282 )
7 Drew Brees SD 66.7 ( 142/213 )
8 Patrick Ramsey Was 66.4 ( 81/122 )
9 Billy Volek Ten 66.0 ( 105/159 )
10 Trent Green KC 65.8 ( 183/278 )
11 Ben Roethlisberger Pit 65.3 ( 109/167 )
12 Kurt Warner Ari 64.8 ( 92/142 )
13 Tim Rattay SF 64.0 ( 87/136 )
14 Steve McNair Ten 63.6 ( 75/118 )
15 Jake Delhomme Car 62.2 ( 158/254 )
16 Byron Leftwich Jac 62.0 ( 129/208 )
17 Carson Palmer Cin 62.0 ( 132/213 )
18 Brett Favre GB 61.6 ( 170/276 )
19 David Carr Hou 61.4 ( 137/223 )
20 Matt Hasselbeck Sea 61.3 ( 157/256 )

NFL Leaders in Touchdowns Passing, 1st Half (Thru games of Jan. 2, 2005)

Rank Player Team
1 Peyton Manning Ind 30
2 Donovan McNabb Phi 22
3 Jake Plummer Den 20
4 Daunte Culpepper Min 19
5 Tom Brady NE 16
6t Drew Brees SD 15
6t Brett Favre GB 15
6t Matt Hasselbeck Sea 15
9 Trent Green KC 14
10t Jake Delhomme Car 12
10t Billy Volek Ten 12
12t Brian Griese TB 11
12t Carson Palmer Cin 11
12t Ben Roethlisberger Pit 11
15t Drew Bledsoe Dal 10
15t Marc Bulger StL 10
15t Kerry Collins Oak 10
18t Joey Harrington Det 9
18t Vinny Testaverde Dal 9
18t Michael Vick Atl 9

What about this looks normal too you ????
Even that 2nd runningback in Atlanta put up a better first half touch down passing totals then Brooks ...

saintz08 · 07-31-2005, 08:41 PM

Noticed David Carr's name not their either, didn't realize this was being switched to AB is the problem again bash!

http://www.lenscrafters.com/home/home.cfm

18 Brett Favre GB 61.6 ( 170/276 )
19 David Carr Hou 61.4 ( 137/223 )
20 Matt Hasselbeck Sea 61.3 ( 157/256 )

papz · 07-31-2005, 08:45 PM

saintswhodi · 07-31-2005, 10:20 PM

This is so stupid, it hardly even needs a response. How does someone say they are showing stats from the first 5 games of the season, glosses over main points. Those being, in the Seattle game, the DEFENSE had 3 takeaways, and the offense still managed only 7 points for the game. OR how about the fact the score was 14-7 in the second half, until Brooks throws an INT giving Seattle the ball in their own red zone to start.

In the Ari game, did we forget Brooks' goalline fumble? Or the fumble by I think Donte on the reverse? Then he picks games where the defense did hold teams to practically no score in the first quarter. How do you find stats that disprove the point you are trying to make? What a joke.

Let me find a small quote:

And then the flood gates open in the fourth.

Seattle beat us 21-7. So if it was 21-7 at the end of the third, what flood gates opened in the 4th? Ridiculous.

07-31-2005, 03:50 PM	#11
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	Originally Posted by ScottyRo Yeah, the offense plays a part in what goes on with the defense, but, come on, in the first qtr the D shouldn't be letting the other team score that much except for when the O turns the ball over inside their own 40. The 3 & outs in the 1st qtr are no excuse to me for the D's performance. They weren't good last year no matter what the score until some personnel changes were made. Yeah. That 7.3 point average the defense gave up for 16 first quarters seems unsurmountable when your offense is scoring zero.

07-31-2005, 08:15 PM	#12
saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020	Next I just went back and look at the scores from last year in the first 5 games, and what I found seemed pretty normal offensively. NFL Leaders in %Completions, 1st Half (Thru games of Jan. 2, 2005) (6.25 Att/Game) Rank Player Team 1 Brian Griese TB 71.0 ( 125/176 ) 2 Marc Bulger StL 70.9 ( 158/223 ) 3 Daunte Culpepper Min 69.4 ( 179/258 ) 4 Donovan McNabb Phi 69.2 ( 171/247 ) 5 Chad Pennington NYJ 67.8 ( 135/199 ) 6 Peyton Manning Ind 67.7 ( 191/282 ) 7 Drew Brees SD 66.7 ( 142/213 ) 8 Patrick Ramsey Was 66.4 ( 81/122 ) 9 Billy Volek Ten 66.0 ( 105/159 ) 10 Trent Green KC 65.8 ( 183/278 ) 11 Ben Roethlisberger Pit 65.3 ( 109/167 ) 12 Kurt Warner Ari 64.8 ( 92/142 ) 13 Tim Rattay SF 64.0 ( 87/136 ) 14 Steve McNair Ten 63.6 ( 75/118 ) 15 Jake Delhomme Car 62.2 ( 158/254 ) 16 Byron Leftwich Jac 62.0 ( 129/208 ) 17 Carson Palmer Cin 62.0 ( 132/213 ) 18 Brett Favre GB 61.6 ( 170/276 ) 19 David Carr Hou 61.4 ( 137/223 ) 20 Matt Hasselbeck Sea 61.3 ( 157/256 ) NFL Leaders in Touchdowns Passing, 1st Half (Thru games of Jan. 2, 2005) Rank Player Team 1 Peyton Manning Ind 30 2 Donovan McNabb Phi 22 3 Jake Plummer Den 20 4 Daunte Culpepper Min 19 5 Tom Brady NE 16 6t Drew Brees SD 15 6t Brett Favre GB 15 6t Matt Hasselbeck Sea 15 9 Trent Green KC 14 10t Jake Delhomme Car 12 10t Billy Volek Ten 12 12t Brian Griese TB 11 12t Carson Palmer Cin 11 12t Ben Roethlisberger Pit 11 15t Drew Bledsoe Dal 10 15t Marc Bulger StL 10 15t Kerry Collins Oak 10 18t Joey Harrington Det 9 18t Vinny Testaverde Dal 9 18t Michael Vick Atl 9 What about this looks normal too you ???? Even that 2nd runningback in Atlanta put up a better first half touch down passing totals then Brooks ...
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07-31-2005, 08:41 PM	#13
saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020	Noticed David Carr's name not their either, didn't realize this was being switched to AB is the problem again bash! http://www.lenscrafters.com/home/home.cfm 18 Brett Favre GB 61.6 ( 170/276 ) 19 David Carr Hou 61.4 ( 137/223 ) 20 Matt Hasselbeck Sea 61.3 ( 157/256 )
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07-31-2005, 10:20 PM	#15
saintswhodi 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: San Antonio, TX Posts: 6,941	This is so stupid, it hardly even needs a response. How does someone say they are showing stats from the first 5 games of the season, glosses over main points. Those being, in the Seattle game, the DEFENSE had 3 takeaways, and the offense still managed only 7 points for the game. OR how about the fact the score was 14-7 in the second half, until Brooks throws an INT giving Seattle the ball in their own red zone to start. In the Ari game, did we forget Brooks' goalline fumble? Or the fumble by I think Donte on the reverse? Then he picks games where the defense did hold teams to practically no score in the first quarter. How do you find stats that disprove the point you are trying to make? What a joke. Let me find a small quote: And then the flood gates open in the fourth. Seattle beat us 21-7. So if it was 21-7 at the end of the third, what flood gates opened in the 4th? Ridiculous.

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