Re: Sean Payton explains Marcus Davenport's low snap count vs. Bucs
 

Like I said, he started off the year looking like a real solid player. He was standing out. Easy to see. But he was drafted to get after the QB and basically be cam 2.0. I've seen the potential but he has also dropped off. I don't buy it for a second the massive drop this week was simply the packages. I think it was to get his gears going like the start of the season.

Let's see what he does this week. I think you're going to see more. If you go back and look you can see the praise I was leaping on him. It wasn't just his pressure on the QB it was also his ability against the run and pursuit.

There's been a drop off and I'm not going to ignore that just like I dont ignore when he is playing really good

But our dline is a strength and our defense is coached well with good talent.

Rankins looked good during his first season. There was a huge drop off where he started looking like Ellis. Last year he turned it back up. Shame he got I hired again. Not being funny but I forgot he was on the team still because I've literally not heard his name once.

Nothing wrong with giving time, but also nothing wrong about an honest assessment when a player looks phenomenal and nothing wrong with stating when they're not. I am honest about the good and bad.

It is sort of like when we signed Ginn and people said he had a problem with catching at times. People were criticized for that, but people in the know were well aware. Now that same person who criticized others is also offering the same sentiment ������

Re: Sean Payton explains Marcus Davenport's low snap count vs. Bucs
 

I agree boss, too many complaints. Our WR are sad. Drew and the offense aren't good. I feel you. I'm sure they're not observations and opinion, but complaints. True story

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Re: Sean Payton explains Marcus Davenport's low snap count vs. Bucs
 

This is a part of the game that many simply do not understand. Each player has a specific job in every defensive alignment. I heard the same complaints last year about Rankins not getting the sacks, while those "in the know" were praising his play and how he was drawing attention giving Jordan and others more opportunities. Same goes for Klein in the LB squad. They just do their jobs as defined.

Re: Sean Payton explains Marcus Davenport's low snap count vs. Bucs
 

I'm curious to know what is logged as a pressure.

If Marcus crashes the pocket, loses contain but reaches for the QB and misses (like on Winston's 23 yard run) is that considered a pressure?

Re: Sean Payton explains Marcus Davenport's low snap count vs. Bucs
 

That's a good question. I too wonder how that's calculated. Anyone in the know respond please

Re: Sean Payton explains Marcus Davenport's low snap count vs. Bucs
 

According to SportingCharts.com:

A quarterback hurry (or pressure) is counted when a defender either forces a quarterback out of the pocket or pressures the throw. It doesn't necessarily mean that the defender actually forced the quarterback to make a bad throw. Hurries are often a good indicator of a team's pass rush. Just because a player is not getting sacks, it does not mean he is not a good pass rusher, because hurrying the quarterback into a poor decision can be just as effective.

Re: Sean Payton explains Marcus Davenport's low snap count vs. Bucs
 

Having re-watched the play several times I would say that according to the definition of a pressure Davenport would have been awarded a pressure given that he successfully forced Winston out of the pocket.

On the play Davenport shifted inside of Rankins, while Rankins shifted to an outside route to the QB on his right hand side. Davenport bull rushed his man all the way up the middle of the pocket into Winston's face. Winston stepped out to his left where Rankins was supposed to be in contain, but Rankins was being handled by the LT. Kiko Alonzo, also part of the rush, was back in the middle but was held by C Ryan Jenson on the play. Everyone else was back in coverage giving Winston a wide open gap for the run.

All in all, Davenport did his job, but Rankins got manhandled and Alonzo was held.

Re: Sean Payton explains Marcus Davenport's low snap count vs. Bucs
 

Yeah boss...good points and all...fact of the matter is that only Jordan plays more than 70% of the snaps on the entire D line. So is Sheldon falling off too? Davenport had to play a high count at the beginning because Trey wasn’t available.

Offense is completely different because there are always several WRs on the field with Thomas and they still barely contribute to the passing game. Maybe the WRs are great at clearing things out for MT...and if that’s what Payton then we are complaining because we want to see something different.

Re: Sean Payton explains Marcus Davenport's low snap count vs. Bucs
 

Oh I see all good points, not complaints. Yesss, when you see something not going well it is a good point. For other people it is complaining. Thank you for explaining. I had a feeling it was something like that.

Um didnt trey play the first 3 or 4 games this season? Because that was when he had 70%. It was actually after that it went to 60 then 50 and this week 34. I feel like trey was out the last few weeks. Maybe I'm wrong. But it seems it is possible your analyses might be completely off.

Sheldon I couldn't tell you what he is up to because I haven't heard his name at all. I literally forgot he was on the team. Does he even have a sack ? How many tackles does he have?

Re: Sean Payton explains Marcus Davenport's low snap count vs. Bucs
 

This has been a very informative debate. I am wondering if his toe is still bothering him since he isn't fast off the line at the snap? Personally, I like him. He is quite an athlete and I enjoy watching him play. He never quits no matter how far away the football is and is always hustling no matter what the score.