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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; It is conventional wisdom that 'The No Call' was Roger Goodell and the NFL's way to find a short cut to boost the popularity and success of NFL Football in Los Angeles. Common sense says that an LA team reaching ...

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Old 11-26-2019, 12:28 AM   #1
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Did The No Call Actually Destroy Goodell's Dream of NFL Football in Los Angeles?

It is conventional wisdom that 'The No Call' was Roger Goodell and the NFL's way to find a short cut to boost the popularity and success of NFL Football in Los Angeles. Common sense says that an LA team reaching the Super Bowl would build fan interest and loyalty, fill seats, and turn Los Angeles into another New York, Dallas, or New England for the league. But is that common sense right? In life, sometimes taking a shortcut has hidden costs. The Los Angeles Rams stand at 3rd place in the NFC West, barely above .500, clearly not legitimate contenders after embarrassing losses. Their salary cap is a disaster, with record money tied up in a mediocre QB and a RB on one leg. Los Angeles fans are as apathetic as ever. The new stadium is behind schedule and over budget and PSLs are proving difficult to sell. Their offensive whiz kid coach averages about 7 points when facing a top defense like New England, SF , or Baltimore. It turns out that all shortcuts catch up to you, steroids seem like a shortcut to strength but they make you sick and weak, drugs seem like a shortcut to happiness but they make your life hell, and being handed things seems like a shortcut to earning them but actually makes you helpless when the handouts stop.

Going to a Superbowl they did not earn has cost the Rams in many ways. It cost them a devastating loss to New England in perhaps the worst offensive performance in Super Bowl History. That loss cost both Jared Goff and Sean McVay both their confidence and the full level of fan enthusiasm they had before the game. But in a sort of denial in the face of the obvious, Goff and McVay still got their egos stroked by Goffs record breaking contract that will doom the teams salary cap and every coach who vaguely resembled McVays offensive style getting a head coaching gig (making it easier for opposing defenses to prepare for that style by getting to face it more often). The appearance gave them both entitlement and doubt. It also created expectations for 2019 that they clearly cannot meat. And it did not just affect the Rams. The Rams making it to the Super Bowl relegated an equally talented and exciting Chargers team to second tier status, and the Chargers cannot get any fan interest or sell any PSLs.

Picture an alternate world where Nicole Robbie Coleman was called for pass interference and the Saints run down the clock and kick a short field goal to win. Maybe the Saints win the Superbowl, maybe the Patriots win. But the Rams are left with a great conclusion to their season, a hard fought close loss on the road, something to be humbled by but that they can build on, the heart wrenching battle that long term fan loyalty and franchise development are built on. In this scenario McVay and Goff go into 2019 with something to prove and more manageable expectations. They don't play expecting things to be handed to them. They know they lost on the road so every game counts and they need to assure home field advantage next year. Goff makes a bit less money and McVay gets a little less flattery by imitation but they have a little better cap situation and keep more assistants. Instead of waiting for handouts, they are hungry. A week 2 win over the Saints really means something, and shows they have taken a step forward. They are playing hungry, not waiting for handouts when the games get tough. And since the Rams and Chargers are both playoff caliber teams that didn't make the Superbowl, both still draw interest.

Don't get me wrong, "The No Call" was not good for the Saints. It was a disaster for the Saints. But it was not a gift for the Rams, it was a disaster for everyone. Cheating and dishonesty benefit nobody in the end, except those who are not involved. Perhaps the Patriots benefited getting to face a weak opponent waiting on handouts, but thats all. In 5 years, we may see the Chargers moved to St Louis or San Diego and the Rams moved to London or Mexico City. The NFL in Los Angeles may be a career historic failure for Roger Goodell and the NFL. And if we trace that failure to one moment, it may be the "The No Call." That was the moment Roger Goodell lost patience, couldn't wait, couldn't do it the right way, and had to take a short cut. That short cut was not evil genius, it was stupidity, shortsightedness. The Rams continue to stack the deck. They added Jaylen Ramsey to an all pro defense for just a few 1st round picks to win now. And they gave up 45 points on Monday night, because they kept waiting for something to be handed to them, and it could never be enough.
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Old 11-26-2019, 01:26 AM   #2
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I dunno, we should ask how much power the mafia has in the NFL assuming they got their hands in it like the NBA and Donahue + others.

Why Im asking is what is the sudden urge to get football in the L.A. market? Are they trying to recreate the L.A. market in football with the Rams much like the late 50s and 60s? They moved the Chargers there to and they all of a sudden was doing well last year season alongside the Rams.

Did the non call hurt it? probably because everyone knew the motive.

I aint a defender of Goodell by any means, but I believe he is nothing more than a scapegoat being manipulated.

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Old 11-26-2019, 02:09 AM   #3
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I don't personally think the no-call effected any specific team other than the Saints in a negative way. It did, however, cast a shadow over the NFL, as a whole, in that public trust in the league took yet another hit.

I wrote a blog about this LA market fiasco a couple of years ago, and it's all about trying to capitalize on the big Hollywood market. But they failed to just look at recent history. They've already failed in that market multiple times. LA doesn't have enough "real" fans. They just have bandwagoners, and there are so many professional teams in that area that it is an incredibly over-saturated market. The over saturation is exactly why people are bandwagon fans. So it was dumb enough to move one team back to LA, but TWO? Stupid move.

If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.
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Old 11-26-2019, 02:10 PM   #4
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The non call was another power play by Roger Godhell that the whole world saw for what it was. He lost additional credibility trying to steer the Rams into a Super bowl which they lost in an embarrassing fashion.
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Old 11-26-2019, 08:59 PM   #5
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the Rams tried to build a team right now with no solid foundation.
they gave away their future draft
got in cap hell
stuck with an inferior QB
wore out their stud running back
and still haven't learned this year

LA will never embrace this team

good riddens and Goodell has a major conspiracy on his hands
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Old 11-26-2019, 09:00 PM   #6
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from Saint Ray on Rivalscentral

The 6-5 Rams' long list of traded draft assets is incredibly depressing
If there’s such a thing as a Super Bowl hangover for a team that lost in the NFL’s championship game, that’s what’s happened to the Los Angeles Rams.

The problem is, it may not be a one-season dive for the now 6-5 Rams, who could still make the postseason despite suffering a blowout loss to the Baltimore Ravens on Monday.

This is a good time to remind everyone that the Rams mortgaged their future, and that reaches all the way back before they lost Super Bowl LIII to the New England Patriots.

Let’s break down the major picks they’ve traded:

2016

Traded their first-round pick (No. 15), two second-rounders, and a third-rounder to the Titans to draft Jared Goff
Traded their fifth-round pick to the Eagles and acquired Nick Foles
The good news: Goff eventually led the Rams to a Super Bowl appearance, although it’s up in the air if that was completely thanks to him or Sean McVay.
The bad news: the Rams forked over a lot of money for an extension earlier this year, and the offense has fallen off a cliff.

The Foles deal is kind of fun to look back on — the Eagles shipped him to the Rams along with a second-rounder (which went to the Titans) and a fourth-rounder in exchange for Sam Bradford and that fifth-round pick. Bradford would eventually be dealt to the Vikings (for a first-round pick, whaaaaa!) and Foles would be cut by the Rams and eventually help the Eagles win a title.

2017

Traded their first-round and third-round picks to the Titans to draft Jared Goff
If you were wondering what happened to the rest of the Goff deal, here it is.

2018

Traded first-round and sixth-round picks to the Patriots for Brandin Cooks
Traded a second-round pick to the Bills for Sammy Watkins
Traded a fourth-rounder to the Chiefs for Marcus Peters
Traded a fifth-round pick to the Broncos for Aquib Talib
The Rams would get a fourth-rounder back in the Cooks deal, but wow.

Watkins played 15 games in a Rams uniform and caught 39 passes for 593 yards and eight touchdowns, so it wasn’t a complete wash.

The Marcus Peters deal isn’t complete — see below.

2019

Traded a second-rounder to the Chiefs for Marcus Peters
Traded a third-round pick to the Jaguars for Dante Fowler Jr.
Where was their first-round pick? The Rams traded back with the No. 31 pick going to the Falcons.

The Fowler deal did get them a 2019 third-rounder and a 2020 fifth-round selection.

2020

Traded a first-round pick to the Jaguars for Jalen Ramsey
Traded fifth-round pick to the Jaguars for Dante Fowler Jr.
I wonder if Ramsey might re-think re-signing with the Rams after this year …

2021

Traded a first-round and fourth-round pick to the Jaguars for Jalen Ramsey
Traded a fifth-round pick to the Browns for Austin Corbett
Rams trades since 2016:

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the Rams tried to build a team right now with no solid foundation.
they gave away their future draft
got in cap hell
stuck with an inferior QB
wore out their stud running back
and still haven't learned this year

LA will never embrace this team

good riddens and Goodell has a major conspiracy on his hands


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Old 11-27-2019, 08:21 AM   #8
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Originally Posted by Audiotom View Post
from Saint Ray on Rivalscentral

The 6-5 Rams' long list of traded draft assets is incredibly depressing
If there’s such a thing as a Super Bowl hangover for a team that lost in the NFL’s championship game, that’s what’s happened to the Los Angeles Rams.

The problem is, it may not be a one-season dive for the now 6-5 Rams, who could still make the postseason despite suffering a blowout loss to the Baltimore Ravens on Monday.

This is a good time to remind everyone that the Rams mortgaged their future, and that reaches all the way back before they lost Super Bowl LIII to the New England Patriots.

Let’s break down the major picks they’ve traded:

2016

Traded their first-round pick (No. 15), two second-rounders, and a third-rounder to the Titans to draft Jared Goff
Traded their fifth-round pick to the Eagles and acquired Nick Foles
The good news: Goff eventually led the Rams to a Super Bowl appearance, although it’s up in the air if that was completely thanks to him or Sean McVay.
The bad news: the Rams forked over a lot of money for an extension earlier this year, and the offense has fallen off a cliff.

The Foles deal is kind of fun to look back on — the Eagles shipped him to the Rams along with a second-rounder (which went to the Titans) and a fourth-rounder in exchange for Sam Bradford and that fifth-round pick. Bradford would eventually be dealt to the Vikings (for a first-round pick, whaaaaa!) and Foles would be cut by the Rams and eventually help the Eagles win a title.

2017

Traded their first-round and third-round picks to the Titans to draft Jared Goff
If you were wondering what happened to the rest of the Goff deal, here it is.

2018

Traded first-round and sixth-round picks to the Patriots for Brandin Cooks
Traded a second-round pick to the Bills for Sammy Watkins
Traded a fourth-rounder to the Chiefs for Marcus Peters
Traded a fifth-round pick to the Broncos for Aquib Talib
The Rams would get a fourth-rounder back in the Cooks deal, but wow.

Watkins played 15 games in a Rams uniform and caught 39 passes for 593 yards and eight touchdowns, so it wasn’t a complete wash.

The Marcus Peters deal isn’t complete — see below.

2019

Traded a second-rounder to the Chiefs for Marcus Peters
Traded a third-round pick to the Jaguars for Dante Fowler Jr.
Where was their first-round pick? The Rams traded back with the No. 31 pick going to the Falcons.

The Fowler deal did get them a 2019 third-rounder and a 2020 fifth-round selection.

2020

Traded a first-round pick to the Jaguars for Jalen Ramsey
Traded fifth-round pick to the Jaguars for Dante Fowler Jr.
I wonder if Ramsey might re-think re-signing with the Rams after this year …

2021

Traded a first-round and fourth-round pick to the Jaguars for Jalen Ramsey
Traded a fifth-round pick to the Browns for Austin Corbett
Rams trades since 2016:

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https://ftw.usatoday.com/2019/11/ram...rickTonyReddit

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Originally Posted by Audiotom View Post
from Saint Ray on Rivalscentral

The 6-5 Rams' long list of traded draft assets is incredibly depressing
If there’s such a thing as a Super Bowl hangover for a team that lost in the NFL’s championship game, that’s what’s happened to the Los Angeles Rams.

The problem is, it may not be a one-season dive for the now 6-5 Rams, who could still make the postseason despite suffering a blowout loss to the Baltimore Ravens on Monday.

This is a good time to remind everyone that the Rams mortgaged their future, and that reaches all the way back before they lost Super Bowl LIII to the New England Patriots.

Let’s break down the major picks they’ve traded:

2016

Traded their first-round pick (No. 15), two second-rounders, and a third-rounder to the Titans to draft Jared Goff
Traded their fifth-round pick to the Eagles and acquired Nick Foles
The good news: Goff eventually led the Rams to a Super Bowl appearance, although it’s up in the air if that was completely thanks to him or Sean McVay.
The bad news: the Rams forked over a lot of money for an extension earlier this year, and the offense has fallen off a cliff.

The Foles deal is kind of fun to look back on — the Eagles shipped him to the Rams along with a second-rounder (which went to the Titans) and a fourth-rounder in exchange for Sam Bradford and that fifth-round pick. Bradford would eventually be dealt to the Vikings (for a first-round pick, whaaaaa!) and Foles would be cut by the Rams and eventually help the Eagles win a title.

2017

Traded their first-round and third-round picks to the Titans to draft Jared Goff
If you were wondering what happened to the rest of the Goff deal, here it is.

2018

Traded first-round and sixth-round picks to the Patriots for Brandin Cooks
Traded a second-round pick to the Bills for Sammy Watkins
Traded a fourth-rounder to the Chiefs for Marcus Peters
Traded a fifth-round pick to the Broncos for Aquib Talib
The Rams would get a fourth-rounder back in the Cooks deal, but wow.

Watkins played 15 games in a Rams uniform and caught 39 passes for 593 yards and eight touchdowns, so it wasn’t a complete wash.

The Marcus Peters deal isn’t complete — see below.

2019

Traded a second-rounder to the Chiefs for Marcus Peters
Traded a third-round pick to the Jaguars for Dante Fowler Jr.
Where was their first-round pick? The Rams traded back with the No. 31 pick going to the Falcons.

The Fowler deal did get them a 2019 third-rounder and a 2020 fifth-round selection.

2020

Traded a first-round pick to the Jaguars for Jalen Ramsey
Traded fifth-round pick to the Jaguars for Dante Fowler Jr.
I wonder if Ramsey might re-think re-signing with the Rams after this year …

2021

Traded a first-round and fourth-round pick to the Jaguars for Jalen Ramsey
Traded a fifth-round pick to the Browns for Austin Corbett
Rams trades since 2016:

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https://ftw.usatoday.com/2019/11/ram...rickTonyReddit

LMAO... I don't think any of us like the Rams one bit. Too bad they built that stadium. Oh well... I don't care about that either.
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Old 11-27-2019, 01:32 PM   #10
 
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LMAO... I don't think any of us like the Rams one bit. Too bad they built that stadium. Oh well... I don't care about that either.
Is it even built yet?
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