Originally Posted by dam1953 (Post 870325)

For years Brees has made average to good receivers look great. This year we're seeing the reverse, where bad receivers are making it look like Brees' age is starting to take its toll, when that isn't the case.

Seems like we are always missing a critical piece. For years there weren't many holes in the O, but the D looked like a sieve. We were setting records on both sides of the ball. Unfortunately, the defensive records were the type you don't want to own.

Once the D line came around we couldn't find a corner. Now that the D has plugged most of the holes, the O only has one reliable receiver. Thank God he's the best in the NFL.

As a Saints fan, this is totally frustrating. It has to be driving Brees crazy.

Originally Posted by cmike (Post 870328)

We don’t need another CGM. All we need are guys that can catch da da*n ball. Including this season Drew has 5 of the top 6 completion% seasons in NFL history. He ain’t the problem, drops are. When you watch teams around the league, players aren’t dropping passes that hit them square in the hands.

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 870410)

Latavius Murray, our #2 RB, has more catches than any WR not named Michael Thomas.

Originally Posted by K Major (Post 870058)

I'll leave it here ...

Can anyone honestly say you're comfortable with the Saints chances if say the 49ers or Vikings can take away MT13 and our running game struggles against a stout front? How will the Saints move the ball then without a capable receiver who can catch and get reasonable separation?? Cook, Ginn and Tre have yet to deliver consistently.

This offense has performed well, however it would be better served with a competent #2 opposite CGM. He'd have even more opportunities without bracket coverage.


It is what it is ... I'm just a arm chair GM but I surely hope the Saints front office/ scouts are targeting a WR in the 2020 draft and not un drafted guys who will need year(s) to develop.

Originally Posted by ikecomp (Post 870519)

This! We fans tend to have short memories. It's almost like everyone forgot what happened the second time we played the rams last year in the NFC championship game (no I'm not talking about the blown call). I'm talking how they put a bigger corner on Michael Thomas and doubled him whenever they could to force other receivers to beat us. That's the only reason that game ended up being close. Drew was forced to hold on to the ball longer with CGM being bracketed and no one else could consistently get separation.



Another wideout isn't necessarily to try to balance out the offense and take targets away from CGM but rather when CGM isn't an option due to coverage Brees has another outlet to go to other than Kamara out the backfield.



If for whatever reason we didn't pick up another playmaker like Dez that can at least draw attention we better commit to running the ball like crazy with Kamara/Murray. If we at least do that we can get other guys open down the field off the play action.

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 870410)

Latavius Murray, our #2 RB, has more catches than any WR not named Michael Thomas.

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 870529)

https://twitter.com/amie_just/status...39810410684421

Damn it all to hell.

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL (Post 870024)

I cannot for the life of me figure out why many think that the 3rd/4th receiver position is going to the be the downfall of the Saints. I can understand being annoyed with the drops. But even CGM dropped a ball Thursday.

What exactly is a first round WR pick going to do after balls to CGM, Kamara, Cook, Ginn, and Taysom? And that doesn't even consider other targets to TQS and backup tight ends.

I caught a segment last weekend on Gameday Morning with Kurt Warner on CGM. Kurt made an observation that tracks with the reality of the situation and points to why bringing someone else in isn't going to change much. This is in reference to Brees to Thomas:

This dispels the myth that Brees doesn't target other receivers because they are not open or not getting separation. CGM has a better catch percentage (86%) in contested catches than the rest of the NFL has throwing balls in the flat to open running backs. As Warner observed in the segment "Why would you throw it anywhere else?"

BTW this was true of Teddy too during his run. His QB rating was 40 points higher when targeting CGM than the ball going anywhere else.

Also BTW CGM is a perfect example of why 1st round WR are generally a bad idea. Care to name any of the 1st round WR drafted before CGM? Probably not as it'll leave a bad taste in your mouth.

All anyone who is currently a receiver on the Saints needs to do is catch the damn ball when it's thrown to them. Cook and Ginn, and even CGM, catching those drops makes this a completely different game.

SFIAH

Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 870577)

What I don't understand about your post is why you make it sound like, other than drops, Ginn and Cook and Smith are perfectly fine. They aren't.

The focus of your argument obviously centers around what Kurt Warner said, but Kurt Warner, from my perspective, appears to be speaking out of his butt on this one.

Because, I get it, if Mike is open, why throw anywhere else? You don't. But he's not open on every single play. If he were, he'd have about 3,000 receiving yards right now. And a lot of his catches are short yardage, hence the low average per catch. That's not a criticism of Mike, but rather an indictment on the offense, as a whole.

These guys are not getting open downfield and creating opportunities. There shouldn't have to be so many checkdown throws. I'm not saying you go get a WR in the first round, but you better get one somewhere early in the draft. No more unreasonable expectations for UDFA's.