Observations from tough close loss to the Whiners

blackangold · 12-08-2019, 04:59 PM

I don’t really think it’s on the refs... I’ve called that before, but not this game.

neugey · 12-08-2019, 05:00 PM

- Need to work on our 2-point conversion plays/execution

- Need to able to play better zone coverage. Jimmy G was getting way too comfortable throwing against man. I feel like we never really forced him to beat us.

- Wish CGJ had been playing further back on that 4th and 2 or at least had safety help if he was going to play that close in man.

ChrisXVI · 12-08-2019, 05:02 PM

1. Vonn Bell absolutely must be re-signed this offseason. 12 tackles and a sack today. Week-in and week-out he’s our most consistent player in the secondary.

2. Latavius Murray averaged 9.9 YPC. Kamara averaged 1.9 YPC. Also, Kamara has only 1 rushing TD and 1 receiving TD this season.

neugey · 12-08-2019, 05:03 PM

Also, Nick Bosa is special; he's better than his brother or Chase Young and it's not even close. He's gotta be def rookie of the year

saintfan · 12-08-2019, 05:03 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

I don’t really think it’s on the refs... I’ve called that before, but not this game.

ABSOLUTELY this game, just like any other. Once again the league sees to it that the opposition is saved on third down when the game is on the line. No way you can't see it. It happened...again...

K Major · 12-08-2019, 05:10 PM

Originally Posted by neugey

Also, Nick Bosa is special; he's better than his brother or Chase Young and it's not even close. He's gotta be def rookie of the year

I think we as a whole are somewhat discounting this. We put up 46 points on the #1 ranked defense. Bosa, Shanahan, Debo, Sanders etc ... they have a very good ball club. Well coached team.

Are they the better team right now? Sure but let's check back in a month when we have a 100% Armstead, Cook for a full game of Kiko/Klein when everything is on the line.

Credit Shanahan for attacking the middle of the field with our back ups. I expect a different outcome in month when it matters most.

Offensively, they blew up today. Tough to find much wrong there. Not a complete game but we'll get there.

cmike · 12-08-2019, 05:21 PM

I can’t argue against the penalties on us. We would be livid if they didn’t get call for us. The fake punt, now that’s another story. Blandino and Charles Davis were adamant that it wasn’t PI. But wouldn’t elaborate on the holding case.

Audiotom · 12-08-2019, 05:41 PM

Penalties were not the key factor (this time)

The two kiko/klein linebackers out was huge
Lead to 1) no pass rush (Jimmy G was getting a 6 second sun tan out there)
2) o-line put a helmet on our d-line and runners were going free thru the first 6 yards

Insistence on going to Kamara when he was being game planned and we were moving with nearly every other inside or passing play - Murray was pounding for 9 yard average

We could not move at all on screens or outside checkdowns

Payton’s bone headed 2 point conversion choice and 4th down fake punt throw when they could have pinned SF inside the 5

Brees’ two fourth quarter drives were classic

We were the first team to move on SF
Get out guys back and take them in the NCFCG

Vrillon82 · 12-08-2019, 05:46 PM

Ill never understand some of the personnel matchups at times, like gardner on Kittle. Apple on whoever he was on getting burnt. Like that last week when Lattimore should of been on Ridley but wasnt.

iceshack149 · 12-08-2019, 05:50 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

ABSOLUTELY this game, just like any other. Once again the league sees to it that the opposition is saved on third down when the game is on the line. No way you can't see it. It happened...again...

Once Sanders pulled the defender down for the TD and the refs didn't watch the replay I knew it was over.

12-08-2019, 04:59 PM	#11
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Observations from tough close loss to the Whiners I don’t really think it’s on the refs... I’ve called that before, but not this game. jnormand, bobdog86 and K Major like this.

12-08-2019, 05:00 PM	#12
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,697 Blog Entries: 13	Re: Observations from tough close loss to the Whiners - Need to work on our 2-point conversion plays/execution - Need to able to play better zone coverage. Jimmy G was getting way too comfortable throwing against man. I feel like we never really forced him to beat us. - Wish CGJ had been playing further back on that 4th and 2 or at least had safety help if he was going to play that close in man.

12-08-2019, 05:02 PM	#13
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: Observations from tough close loss to the Whiners 1. Vonn Bell absolutely must be re-signed this offseason. 12 tackles and a sack today. Week-in and week-out he’s our most consistent player in the secondary. 2. Latavius Murray averaged 9.9 YPC. Kamara averaged 1.9 YPC. Also, Kamara has only 1 rushing TD and 1 receiving TD this season. dizzle88 likes this.

12-08-2019, 05:03 PM	#14
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,697 Blog Entries: 13	Re: Observations from tough close loss to the Whiners Also, Nick Bosa is special; he's better than his brother or Chase Young and it's not even close. He's gotta be def rookie of the year jnormand, 73Saint, Beastmode and 2 others like this.

12-08-2019, 05:03 PM	#15
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Observations from tough close loss to the Whiners Originally Posted by blackangold I don’t really think it’s on the refs... I’ve called that before, but not this game. ABSOLUTELY this game, just like any other. Once again the league sees to it that the opposition is saved on third down when the game is on the line. No way you can't see it. It happened...again... Danno and Rugby Saint II like this.

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12-08-2019, 05:10 PM	#16
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Observations from tough close loss to the Whiners Originally Posted by neugey Also, Nick Bosa is special; he's better than his brother or Chase Young and it's not even close. He's gotta be def rookie of the year I think we as a whole are somewhat discounting this. We put up 46 points on the #1 ranked defense. Bosa, Shanahan, Debo, Sanders etc ... they have a very good ball club. Well coached team. Are they the better team right now? Sure but let's check back in a month when we have a 100% Armstead, Cook for a full game of Kiko/Klein when everything is on the line. Credit Shanahan for attacking the middle of the field with our back ups. I expect a different outcome in month when it matters most. Offensively, they blew up today. Tough to find much wrong there. Not a complete game but we'll get there. jnormand and 73Saint like this.
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12-08-2019, 05:21 PM	#17
cmike 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Gulfport Posts: 1,427	Re: Observations from tough close loss to the Whiners I can’t argue against the penalties on us. We would be livid if they didn’t get call for us. The fake punt, now that’s another story. Blandino and Charles Davis were adamant that it wasn’t PI. But wouldn’t elaborate on the holding case.

12-08-2019, 05:41 PM	#18
Audiotom 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 1,094 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Observations from tough close loss to the Whiners Penalties were not the key factor (this time) The two kiko/klein linebackers out was huge Lead to 1) no pass rush (Jimmy G was getting a 6 second sun tan out there) 2) o-line put a helmet on our d-line and runners were going free thru the first 6 yards Insistence on going to Kamara when he was being game planned and we were moving with nearly every other inside or passing play - Murray was pounding for 9 yard average We could not move at all on screens or outside checkdowns Payton’s bone headed 2 point conversion choice and 4th down fake punt throw when they could have pinned SF inside the 5 Brees’ two fourth quarter drives were classic We were the first team to move on SF Get out guys back and take them in the NCFCG

12-08-2019, 05:46 PM	#19
Vrillon82 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2012 Posts: 1,127	Re: Observations from tough close loss to the Whiners Ill never understand some of the personnel matchups at times, like gardner on Kittle. Apple on whoever he was on getting burnt. Like that last week when Lattimore should of been on Ridley but wasnt.
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12-08-2019, 05:50 PM	#20
iceshack149 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fairbanks, AK Posts: 4,258 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Observations from tough close loss to the Whiners Originally Posted by saintfan ABSOLUTELY this game, just like any other. Once again the league sees to it that the opposition is saved on third down when the game is on the line. No way you can't see it. It happened...again... Once Sanders pulled the defender down for the TD and the refs didn't watch the replay I knew it was over. Rugby Saint II and AlaskaSaints like this.