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I'm honestly over it now, bad way to lose but if we make those kind of mistakes and only lose by 2 points - then SF are in big trouble when we meet again.

Couple of things I really liked;

Offense - not seen that sort of performance for a few years, and against the "Top Ranked D, who will bury Brees all game"

Deonte Harris - needs more snaps on offense, guy is a game changer

Taysom Hill Running over their middle LB was priceless, dude got trucked for 7 yards by our backup QB.

Trequan finally made some plays - when he has the ball in his hands, he is great for YAC, the only problem is him catching it in the first place.

Before getting injured, they had no answer for Jared Cook.

Remember - when it comes to the playoffs, this game has no relevance. The Rams didnt care that we beat them last regular season, playoffs are a whole different animal.
We are 5-1 on the road this season, we can win in the playoffs as long as the D gets their act together.

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I'm still depressed! :sad:

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Rugby, when you get a chance go and watch Max Kellerman’s debate on first take. He’s been behind us all season. He’s the only person I’ve heard that has actually made sense of the none holding call on the fake punt.
He’s my new guy.
Can someone here please educate me, I’m a little confused.
When is a play actually considered a punt.
Is it the formation or what?
Is it when the punter actually punts his foot on the ball?
What is different from a punt formation and a QB in shotgun?
I’m lost on this one.

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stephen a is actually dead on with this. it was mind numbingly foolish to run that fake punt play for several reasons:

1) he's right about not putting the team in a position to rely on the refs when we know how that turns out for us.

2) sean is on the rule's committee and should know that not only is that going to be a low percentage play, but it's not reviewable

3) it was just a poorly designed play. the second any defender sees that it's #7 in the backfield they know what's going on, which is exactly what happened

4) it was a terrible route. you need 18 yards and you send TQS, who all due respect hasn't exactly shown up for us all season, on a route down the perimeter on a play where the blocker is allowed to be physical and just bully him out of the play. why not send him on a cross or a hook route or anything that gives him any chance at catching the ball?

the defense is largely responsible for how close this game was, but if sean avoids one, at most two, terrible decisions and we win. and it's a shame because the 9ers were the ones who had to run trick plays to score. we were lining up and beating them. sean just can't help himself and it cost us dearly yesterday.

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Time to fire Payton and get a new younger QB while we're at it.

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Going for 2 points with 3 quarters of football left :rolleyes:.
Fake punt (4th and 18)
Not attacking the 49ers D up the middle by utilizing Freight Train Murray.

Those are all on the Head Coach. Was this SP or Jason Garrett calling plays on yesterday?

I don't know if there is a better play caller/offensive mind in the NFL but this was coach's worst game plan in a while.

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I would say we need to re-evaluate Marcus Williams spot on this team though.

Theres only so many times he can mess up an assignment and yesterday was probably his worst game. From the very first snap he was either out of position, missing tackles or falling over in pass coverage.

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Make sure we hire only ****ing perfection while we are at it.

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I don't think the game plan was bad (you don't game plan to go for 2 in that spot), I think the decisions that you mentioned were dumb. As soon as we missed the 2-point conversion you knew it was going to come back to haunt us. The fake punt was a blunder from the get go... you had Taysom line up as the punter, everyone was looking for the fake.

A few bad decisions is all it takes in this league, but even with that I still put this loss on the D. You can't give up 48 points and expect to win.

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was it Marcus Williams who made the gaffe in the Minnesota Miracle? or was that PJ? sorry both plays leave me dumbfounded and just able to recall that it was a db with the last name Williams involved in both/each :rolleyes:

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Unfortunately that was Marcus as well.

I had hope that even with the terrible ending to the Minnesota game, that there was a positive side that he'd use it as motivation to learn to tackle properly.

Yesterdays game proves otherwise, he just lunges towards players and whiffs or goes straight the facemask.

Not to mention he turned to look for the ball on the long TD and just fell over.

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Marcus been whiffing on tackles all season. Against Houston he had a chance to make a stop as a player was driving for the pylon. He missed everything. TD

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In a heavyweight fight, the "little things" is all it takes to get KO'd.

As far as the "fake" punt ... why would you give your struggling defense a short field to defend? Punt and play the percentages. I could see if we were talking 4th and half a yard. We needed almost 20 yards against a athletic, well coached, disciplined Niners defense.

Serious problems on the back end. Eli, PJ, Williams must play better.

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Marcus Williams has been relatively decent this season, however yesterday he played poorly and accounted for 3 substantial plays that resulted in points for the Niners but none bigger than the Kittle sequence, subsequent face mask that put them in prime FG position to win it.

In the playoffs, that will cost you a game and the season.

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My reflections after game is that we have to give the ball more to Murray so the defense will not lock solely on AK. It’s time to replace P.J.

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my points aren't to say that there are huge issues with the offense or coaching. brees played like a god and sean for the most part called a great game. but in a game this close, if you're going to take chances that can have big consequences, like going for 2 in the first quarter or faking a punt on 4th and 18th, it shouldn't look like flukey plays. both of those looked like flukie plays, and they both cost us points. i like sean's aggressiveness, but i feel like he can overthink it sometimes. also to be fair, the fake punt play could have been all on rizzi and not sean. i don't know if thats a scenario where rizzi goes to sean or where sean decides we can't give the ball back.

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Kirwan and Miller addressed fakes on special teams and who makes the calls on NFL Radio's Moving the Chains recently. They said the special teams coordinator usually sees something they like and bring it to the attention of the head coach. The head coach then decides. The few times when the head coach is making the call the whole way it is usually coming out of a half.

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that makes sense. its also a little alarming. rizzi has had some pretty bad moments so far. i put that one right up there with the onside kick issues last week.

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IMO the NFL committee needs to re evaluate this "no holding on punt" rule in the off season. That is a bunch of BS that you can simply mug a guy like that.

He literally held Trey all the way down field :rolleyes:. If I'm running that play, put Can't Guard Mike out there on an island to throw that MF 5 yards onto the side line.

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as much as i wish we would have gotten a call, i don't want to see another rule change because we're griping about it. it makes us look terrible, and i think the refs, who should all be fired but will never happen because of their union representation, will just be harder on us.

that play failed because it was a stupid play and someone, rizzi payton or both, didn't understand the rules or the probability of getting a call on the play. that rule is in place for a reason, and honestly i think it makes sense. if it didn't exist, teams could basically just run a fake punt and because of the nature of the play would have a high probability of drawing a penalty. it would cheapen the game, because the guys blocking the gunner could have their back turned to the play, not even realize it's a fake, then get flagged for how they normally cover the gunner.

it was just a brain fart of a play that we should remove from the playbook and never try to run again. there are much easier, and smarter ways to convert a fake punt.

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There is no "no holding on a punt" rule. There is, however a "no pass interference on a punt" rule. Holding the gunner/receiver all the down the field should have been a penalty according to the rules. The exact same holding call is made routinely on punt plays. Clean blocking downfield is fine. Grasping onto the gunner is not and that is what happened. Unfortunately, it is not reviewable as is PI.

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That's what I meant.

What I don't agree with is running a "fake" with Tre. He's not aggressive enough to get it when it's in the air.

Side note - I've watched a ton of football and I'll be honest here, I never knew the rule (not reviewable on PI) ... there was an obvious mugging (holding) is not reviewable?? Taysom was in punt formation however he was lined up deep and a WR is out side, what the hell determines if it's "punt formation"?

According to Article 3/section 5 (PI) of the NFL playbook :

"Whenever a team presents an apparent punting formation and until the ball is kicked, defensive acts that normally constitute pass interference are permitted against the end man on the line of scrimmage, or against an eligible receiver behind the line of scrimmage who is aligned or in motion more than one yard outside the end man on the line, provided that the acts do not constitute illegal holding. Defensive holding, such as tackling a receiver, still can be called and result in a five yard penalty from the previous spot, if accepted. Offensive pass interference rules still apply".

This would have given the Saints an automatic first down on that fake punt.

In short, the Saints were screwed on that play.


End rant :evil:.

I'm on to the Colts :bng:

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Hosed again ... and again ... and again ... will it ever end.

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Not as long as Sean Payton is here. He doesn't bow down to Der Kommissar and the Saints will pay for it until Godhell is gone!

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Exactly. As it stands today, PI is the ONLY penalty that can be reviewed.

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Lol

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We are f’d until we get our starting linebackers back

How soon?

With them out
No pass rush (Jimmy G had 6 seconds to get a sun tan)

Runners were hitting 5 yards deep
SF line had a hat on each lineman
Lbers got burned on the edges
Missdirection nightmares