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It makes me sad, too. That pick he threw, you could see he put his whole body into heaving that pass. It didn't go near far enough, obviously, and it hung up forever. That just doesn't get it done.

The Saints could use help at WR, but it doesn't pay to try to get a deep threat to compliment Thomas, if the QB can't get the ball out there. It's something that none of us liked to think about, but we knew this day had to come eventually.

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I hear you Mike but it's a mixed bag however Brees has declined.

Good teams revamp in the playoffs. Vikes understood we were suspect up the middle and with an aging QB, often times it created a sack, loss of yards or in our case .. huge fumble. Did you notice how Vikes FS Harrison Smith came up closer instead of playing deep as he usually does? Zimmer knew that Brees no longer has the "zip/arm strength & couldn't beat us deep. When he did attempt to, it was intercepted.

Vikes sent pressure right up the gut knowing that a non mobile QB would not be able to consistently escape. Saints were out coached with scheme and Zimmer knew our tendencies. I will say Sean Payton didn't help our QB out by not having a strong run game. Latavius Murray had 7 carries the entire ball game. Why did we sign this guy? It's the playoffs coach. There is no tomorrow.

A 13-3 team at home in the playoffs should be advancing yet we are here ... again.

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Agree. Brees has made a career of "climbing the pocket" to buy time for receivers to get open and to find throwing lanes. The Vikings made sure there was no pocket to climb on Sunday.

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After watching replays, that pass traveled 52 yards in the air. When it was let go, Ginn was in single coverage. Safety got there quick while ball was in the air.
We shouldn't have to throw 52 yard passes.

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The problem is that, as I said, he put everything he had into that throw, and he had to put a very high arc on it to get it out there. That is an easy pick, every time.

You absolutely have to have the threat of the deep pass, if you want the intermediate stuff to open up. That, or be a dominant running team. Payton abandons the run even when it's working. Except when he didn't have Brees and didn't feel the need to showcase his QB at the expense of doing what was best for the team.

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The worst part is we had the answer in Taysom. Just as soon as we started moving the ball he was replaced with Brees and BOOM back to the old result.

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Watching the Patriots playoff game I found myself coveting an Edelman type player for Brees. Heck even the Niners have TWO wide receivers barely half as talented as Micheal Thomas but know how to work zones, get open and get YAC.

No WR on our roster can do that. If we had them, Brees's career would extend.

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Real fact time: the Saints went 5-0 the last time Brees wasn’t the QB. This should lead you to think.. is it Brees or Payton?

Brees sucked without Payton, however Payton went 5-0 without Brees.

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Gotta protect the QB to be able to protect the football that fumble was as much Ryan's fault as it was Drews

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I mean we don't go deep that's not a secret, Having been going deep for a while. That Oline is the blame IDC what anyone says. The INT wasn't the best throw but the Safety made a better attempt on the ball than Ted Ginn did he's worthless body catcher. He doesn't jump he doesn't stretch out. If he actually attacks the ball it's Inc pass

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It seems to me that Brees just had the best game in history recently. He's still setting all kind of records and out of those 29 passes several were beautifully thrown deep balls. Taysom is not the answer and neither is Teddy. Not if you want to win another Super bowl. You need a special QB and we've already got one. He can manage this game for several more years. I for one am not willing to give up on the best passer ever.....and that includes this season. This loss was not on Drew. It was on the team.

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By the way, on the deep ball that was incomplete, I said in game chat in again in one of the post-game threads, the WR was mugged. Of course it wasn't called, but here's the shot of that play.

How much more before some of you realize it does not matter. Roger is controlling these games to the extent he is able by using the refs and either non-calls or fabricated ones?

https://scontent-sea1-1.xx.fbcdn.net...14&oe=5E962634

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This just isn't true. He's definitely been more consistent obviously, but go back and look at his last two years in SD.

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The last two years in SD he had the arm strength for the deep ball. Right now he can’t even make the midrange throws without coming up short

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That's not the argument being made. Seems like arm strength wasn't a problem until the loss. No one was complaining when he was breaking the completion percentage record a few weeks ago.

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Haven't we learned anything from the last 3 years of playoff appearances? We are the definition of insanity. Doing the same thing over & over but expecting a different result. I love Drew & want him to retire a Saint. I also want to keep Payton. But something needs to change...attitudes, personnel, coaches? They were not hungry enough. Did they win too many games? Therefore becoming complacent? I can't answer these questions. I know that I am outraged by their performance, not only in the vikings game but for the last 3 playoff appearances.
I do know that if something doesn't change, next season will have the same results even if we make it to the playoffs.

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I've been complaining about his lack of arm strength for a lot longer than just this season, let alone just this past game. And I usually got mocked for it.

He broke the completion percentage record throwing nothing but short and intermediate passes. That Colts team barely even showed up for that game.

And this is the thing with Brees, now. He still has all the accuracy in the world for the intermediate stuff, and if you give him all day in the pocket, he can do things that make it seem like he'll play forever. But get him off his spot where he has to improvise, and maybe slide out of the pocket and throw on the run? He becomes totally ineffective. And when somebody breaks open deep? Doesn't matter. The ball won't get there, 90% of the time.

Sam Bradford once held the record for completion percentage in a season. What does completion percentage really say about a QB? It all depends on what kind of passes he's throwing, and whether or not he can make all the throws that you need him to, in big moments, in order to win. I don't see the big moment throws from him anymore. At least not much.

There are people, some in this thread even, who don't want to see it that way and will quickly fall back on the team's record this year and say "we don't get there without Brees". That excuse should have been dead by the time Brees came back from injury, and the team had just gone 5-0 without him. It would seem that the Saints actually have a good TEAM, not just a one man show.

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+1

Well said!
Alot of people complained that all we need is a top 15 defense...or a top 10 defense...
Well we've had that for the last two seasons for sure,and we're no better off when it counts. I don't care if we go 16-0 every season,if we're one and done in the playoffs, wtf does it matter? We've upgraded everything on this team except for two things that remain....payton and brees.

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Since when doesn't being the division champion mean anything?

Especially in the NFC South, where it was first to last for so many years in a row.

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Being the division champ does mean something,especially two years in a row! But I think I speak for the majority of football fans when I say that when the stars align and you have a really good team with a really good coaching staff,it's hard to be complacient with just being division champs. Last year's ending was out of the saints control,but this year was on us. I'm pretty disappointed,and being division champs falls short compared to what shoulda been...

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He can obviously do it

Then agsinst
He noticeable struggled with a full season two years ago. This year's injury kept him fresher. The whole low turnover this year is a bit of a myth, there's a video out showing he should have been picked 7 times over the last few games.


Also the NFL is changing, and it's doing it quickly. Teams need to be able to hit quickly on offense to keep up with the Ravens, Chiefs. Even Seattle is trying to speed up with the multiple WRs they have and Wilson ability to hit a deep ball. The cap hit is going to hurt when it comes but rather than waste years on players we ha e it needs to be this off-season or next. Good chance of a reduced 2021 season too with a upcoming cba

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One thing is becoming more obvious to me as time goes on... if Brees wants to come back the Saint basically don’t have an option but to let him back on a new poisonous contract. Due to the dead money Brees is going to be in control here.

Hope he wants to move on but I doubt he will.

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The 21 mil dead money is a concern. It seems like the best-case scenario for the team would be him returning on a one-year deal even if it's high-dollar and also publicly or privately saying this is his last year and he'll retire at end of season. That would leave us free of any dead cap from him for 2021-22 going into a season with a new CBA and gives us one more year to prep his replacement (likely Taysom). But this is the 21st century and Brees has a pretty powerful agent so I doubt it will go this cleanly.

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The fact is Brees could sign a one year 25 million dollar deal and that's a discount based on going rate for top QB's. There's a 21 million cap hit either way. They can lesson that, but it just kicks the can a little further down the road.

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I want Brees to retire. I would've been fine with him retiring last year after how bad he finished the 2018 season but after seeing Bridgewater and this last playoff exit where Brees looked awful, I definitely want him to retire now.

If he wasn't Drew Brees, everyone would be calling him selfish for trying to play in his 40s past his prime.

I feel the same way about Brady and Roethlisberger.

These guys need to hang it up and let a young guy come in and have his chance. They're selfish to keep playing all to pad stats and get records and hopefully another ring. Brees has a ring. He's never going to face the scrutiny or "choker" label historically that guys like Dan Marino and Jim Kelly got stuck with.

We were 5-0 with Bridgewater and the team played differently and overall more like a team. Brees comes back and the running game disappears so we can pad the passing stats and we overall took a step back. That Falcons loss showed what can easily happen when Brees is having one of those bad days.

Bridgewater is our future or at least a bridge until we can get a prospect like Trevor Lawrence.

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So who would you have put in? Would Payton of had a game plan for that? Daniel Jones for Eli is a no brainer also. This forum has turned to turds.

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How's about a new secondary coach?

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Brees like Payton will be here until they don't want to be here anymore. The powers that be don't have the balls to move on from either even if we have another let down of a season next year.

It's odd because the Saints could have easily had a bye but it feels like we underachieved so much that I wouldn't care if either moved on.

We need new secondary talent. Tired of Marcus Williams.

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Touche on Marcus W.

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Bridgewater is our future or at least a bridge until we can get a prospect like Trevor Lawrence.

If you want to TANK FOR TREVOR sign some QB off the street and save $$$$$$$$$$

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I'm thinking if we fix the G situation and get a speedy WR that can catch the ball to go along with Thomas, we should be able to stretch the field opening up the deep ball, will Brees be able to hit the deep ball consistantly as the season wears on ? Myself, I've started doubting he can. In a managed intermediate range, he's still pretty good. If Payton wants to win with Brees he's going to have to fix a few things( a strong run game), or it's going to waste Brees slowly away.

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I’ll answer...no. He won’t be able to hit the deep ball.

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Yeah the speedy guy will just be a decoy to open up the field. Drew will under throw him that's why Taysom threw the deep shot to Harris

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We traded away Cooks because Brees couldn’t hit the deep ball... we have 2 speedy WRs on the team and they are useless because of Drew. Yeah, let’s get another WR that Drew can’t throw to lol

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When it comes to intermediate routes, Brees is still elite.

I'd rather have two Lance Moore type WRs (see San Fran) than another "deep threat" like Tedd Ginn.

So yes, upgrade the line. Upgrade CB and LB. Add another RB. But please get us a shifty WR with hands and crispy routes.

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I love Brees and for all that he has done for the franchise I want him back as long as he likes to play. But we need more WR help for him but it doesn't need to be a speedster because as stated above, brees struggles with the deep ball nowadays.

Watching Mahomes, Watson and even Tannehill in the playoffs makes me wish we had a QB that could launch the ball like that.

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Taysom's throw was under-thrown also. That ball was completed by a couple of inches. But the reason it worked was because the defense was expecting him to run the ball like he does 95% of the time. Hill to Harris, that's an unexpected combination. That's why it worked.
We don't have to throw the ball 50 yards in the air to win. Some on here keep talking about being 5-0 with Bridgewater, how many deep throws did he make?
Moving the chains and giving the defense a chance to rest is what wins ballgames. Not 2 plays and a 50 yard bomb and a tired defense back on the field.

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From my perspective it won't matter if it's Brees, Taysom or 2 Glove Teddy ...

Sean Payton and the brain trust MUST surround the aforementioned QB with better options at wide receiver. Carr, Jordan Humphries, Kirkwood, Ginn, Tre Smith (year 3 and he hasn't progressed) ain't those dudes. Without pulling stats, I think it's safe to say they had less than a combined 50 receptions all season long. Michael Thomas has 150 RECEPTIONS by himself. Just imagine if we didn't have Jared Cook at TE.

It's mind boggling this has yet to be addressed & it part of the reason why we are at home in Mid January. You either bring in a PROVEN COMMODITY @ WR during Free Agency or you DRAFT one. If you don't, it'll be another recipe for heart break in the post season. The Niners were a good team with a nice record but wasn't going to the NFC Championship until Emmanuel Sanders got there.

Brees can't turn those guys into Lance Moore/Slick Willie Snead's anymore.

Saints have one of the best scouting departments in the NFL. It's time to go get a true #2 WR in April's draft. He's out there.