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blackangold 01-13-2020 11:38 AM

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Originally Posted by Budsdrinker (Post 877104)
Taysom's throw was under-thrown also. That ball was completed by a couple of inches. But the reason it worked was because the defense was expecting him to run the ball like he does 95% of the time. Hill to Harris, that's an unexpected combination. That's why it worked.
We don't have to throw the ball 50 yards in the air to win. Some on here keep talking about being 5-0 with Bridgewater, how many deep throws did he make?
Moving the chains and giving the defense a chance to rest is what wins ballgames. Not 2 plays and a 50 yard bomb and a tired defense back on the field.

Quite a few deep balls once he was settled into the offense... go watch his highlights from the Tampa game.

halloween 65 01-13-2020 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 877089)
When it comes to intermediate routes, Brees is still elite.

I'd rather have two Lance Moore type WRs (see San Fran) than another "deep threat" like Tedd Ginn.

So yes, upgrade the line. Upgrade CB and LB. Add another RB. But please get us a shifty WR with hands and crispy routes.

This is my point. Even without the deep ball Brees can still be really good to great with intermediate routes. If Payton want upgrade at those particular positions on the O it want matter if Brees stays or not. If he does and can actually stick to running the ball we'll be hard to control on the O side. Most people on here agree about Brees losing the deep ball. But he can still be one of the best game managers in the game if Payton gives up his quick strike thinking. If not Brees needs to really think about his future in a Saints uniform.

skymike 01-13-2020 09:48 PM

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THIS is a guy who was too old to play football.
https://i.pinimg.com/236x/d3/75/f3/d...ans-saints.jpg
This is not.
https://img.bleacherreport.net/img/i...ter&crop_y=top

I remember people B****ing about Archie.

Good Lord, people.

Here are some grips for you.

https://alexnld.com/wp-content/uploa...84-500x500.jpg


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saintsfan1976 01-13-2020 10:34 PM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 877105)
From my perspective it won't matter if it's Brees, Taysom or 2 Glove Teddy ...

Sean Payton and the brain trust MUST surround the aforementioned QB with better options at wide receiver. Carr, Jordan Humphries, Kirkwood, Ginn, Tre Smith (year 3 and he hasn't progressed) ain't those dudes. Without pulling stats, I think it's safe to say they had less than a combined 50 receptions all season long. Michael Thomas has 150 RECEPTIONS by himself. Just imagine if we didn't have Jared Cook at TE.

It's mind boggling this has yet to be addressed & it part of the reason why we are at home in Mid January. You either bring in a PROVEN COMMODITY @ WR during Free Agency or you DRAFT one. If you don't, it'll be another recipe for heart break in the post season. The Niners were a good team with a nice record but wasn't going to the NFC Championship until Emmanuel Sanders got there.

Brees can't turn those guys into Lance Moore/Slick Willie Snead's anymore.

Saints have one of the best scouting departments in the NFL. It's time to go get a true #2 WR in April's draft. He's out there.

2020 could be an historic WR draft. We may get TWO! And if so we cut bait with one of the others.

NOLA54 01-13-2020 10:48 PM

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What/who are you willing to give up to get Joe Burrow?

OldMaid 01-14-2020 11:30 AM

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I want Brees back if The N.O.Saints still play in the N.O Superdome and if SeanP and his staff are still here.
Just let him retire here.
In the meantime, start drafting and trading.

This is a subject just no one here wants to talk about.
Time is coming up for the Saints , entire team, and coaching staff to change. Leave. Saints regroup.

No one wants these good times to end.
It has been really exciting.
The 10 years,overall, of SP and his staff .
Good times . Unbelievable times no one ever thought would for all the awful. When it was awful, we still thought was good. People made their own fun.
Saints won a game. One game in 1980 or 1981. Hey, at least they won a game. We were happy.
The 8-8, 9-7 years , ahhhh,that was it.
You know the rest.

I am sorry for posting a negative.

K Major 01-14-2020 11:51 AM

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Originally Posted by NOLA54 (Post 877175)
What/who are you willing to give up to get Joe Burrow?

Burrow is going to the Bengals & that's assuming they aren't stupid enough to trade picks with New England.

Saints have 0 shot @ Joe.

TheOak 01-14-2020 01:15 PM

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Sometimes we have knee jerk ideas that we should hear read back to ourselves in a different wording.

We have people that want to get rid of statistically the most accurate passer in the league for 0.02% of his throws.

Assuming a best possible case scenario I used Dak Prescott as he has the most 40+ yard passes at 16 which is 0.02% of his passes.

Less than 1 pass per game is why we want to replace our QB... let that sink in.

They want to get rid of a QB for an interception, the same QB that has the best TD/Int ratio for the season.

blackangold 01-14-2020 01:51 PM

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Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 877251)
Sometimes we have knee jerk ideas that we should hear read back to ourselves in a different wording.

We have people that want to get rid of statistically the most accurate passer in the league for 0.02% of his throws.

Assuming a best possible case scenario I used Dak Prescott as he has the most 40+ yard passes at 16 which is 0.02% of his passes.

Less than 1 pass per game is why we want to replace our QB... let that sink in.

They want to get rid of a QB for an interception, the same QB that has the best TD/Int ratio for the season.

It's not the 40 yard bombs that we need, it's efficiency for passes that are 20+ yards out.

You can see through the charts here https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/charts/...rees/BRE229498 that Drew really struggled this year to get the ball down the field. I wish they broke it down to passes of 15+ yards, because if you look at the game charts you can see once he hits the 15+ yard mark it goes to ****.

In the 2019 total chart it's easy to see the deficiency, and although it shows some success throwing to the right and deep, he only had a few passes thrown that way all year (numbers are skewed).

Rell&Gold 01-14-2020 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by blackangold (Post 877069)
We traded away Cooks because Brees couldn’t hit the deep ball... we have 2 speedy WRs on the team and they are useless because of Drew. Yeah, let’s get another WR that Drew can’t throw to lol

False, he hit Cooks on MULTIPLE deep balls here. Denver Carolina New England etc....stop making up stories

TheOak 01-15-2020 07:13 AM

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Originally Posted by blackangold (Post 877253)
It's not the 40 yard bombs that we need, it's efficiency for passes that are 20+ yards out.

You can see through the charts here https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/charts/...rees/BRE229498 that Drew really struggled this year to get the ball down the field. I wish they broke it down to passes of 15+ yards, because if you look at the game charts you can see once he hits the 15+ yard mark it goes to ****.

In the 2019 total chart it's easy to see the deficiency, and although it shows some success throwing to the right and deep, he only had a few passes thrown that way all year (numbers are skewed).

What the chart shows is passer rating compared to the rest of the league. Not arm strength or ability.

What it shows:
  • Drew's passer rating from 10-20 yards between 124-140 and the league average in that same area 78-91.
  • It shows that beyond 20 yards on the right side of the field he has a 140 passer rating with a league average of 78
It does not show which receiver is dropping passes in what zone...


Considering your interpretation of that chart. Please tell me your thoughts on Teddy Bridgewater?
https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/charts/...19/all/qb-grid

Considering your interpretation of the chart. Please tell me what you see from all the QBs in the league compared to Drew? With a few exceptions all QBs have a lane preference after 40 yards.
https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/charts/list/qb-grid

Play around that site and you will find more. Like 4 of the 7 fastest sacks in Wild Card Weekend were Minnesota sacking Drew because of our craptastic o-line play.. What option isn't in the glorious "why we lost poll" because we got our ass beat in the trenches and it isn't there because a large majority of fans do not understand more than one position if they truly understand any.
https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/t...-sacks/2019/18

This one shows that Teddy's longest Completion and Drew's longest completion are only 2.5 yards appart
https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/p...d-air-distance

You will also find that Drew has the second fastest time to throw.. Even though a lot of people say he holds on to the ball too long.
https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/p...-time-to-throw

On Wild Card Weekend Drew had the fastest TT and if I recall had 10 pressures, 4-5 hits, 3 sacks..
https://nextgenstats.nfl.com/stats/p...-time-to-throw

I do not go rummaging through stats to prove my idea, I go through everything I can find and see what the story tells me. :bng:

RefsRobbedUs 01-15-2020 07:24 AM

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I don't think Taysom has proved enough as a QB but I really HOPE someone doesn't offer him 15 million and force our hand. Luckily he is restricted.

st thomas 01-15-2020 09:33 AM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 877249)
Burrow is going to the Bengals & that's assuming they aren't stupid enough to trade picks with New England.



Saints have 0 shot @ Joe.



Oh yea they throwing stuff now out there that Carolina will sell the farm to get joe. That new owner is new and might be dumb enough nooooo way 2- #1s, a 2 , and 2 3rd rders life in prison is a better deal. I love the media


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skymike 01-18-2020 06:37 PM

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[QUOTE=OldMaid;877246...It has been really exciting.
The 10 years,overall, of SP and his staff .
Good times . Unbelievable times no one ever thought would for all the awful. When it was awful, we still thought was good. People made their own fun.
Saints won a game. One game in 1980 or 1981. Hey, at least they won a game. We were happy.
The 8-8, 9-7 years , ahhhh,that was it.
You know the rest.
[/QUOTE]Amen S. These young-uns dont remember Dave Wilson. Or the Billy Joes, or Ken Stabler who should have retired after Houston.

My question to the board is this:

How many incumbent QB's playing right now for other teams would you rather have than Brees? How many, and name them?

Lets see who you think, among active NFL QB's is better than Drew.

I'll bet the number is less than 4.

Dont give me all that salary cap blah blah --- I'm not interested, and have never been interested in the money talk. Im into Football, not Accounting.

As a football player, a Quarterback, I think 28 teams wish they had Drew Brees.

AsylumGuido 01-18-2020 08:08 PM

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Originally Posted by skymike (Post 877591)
Amen S. These young-uns dont remember Dave Wilson. Or the Billy Joes, or Ken Stabler who should have retired after Houston.

My question to the board is this:

How many incumbent QB's playing right now for other teams would you rather have than Brees? How many, and name them?

Lets see who you think, among active NFL QB's is better than Drew.

I'll bet the number is less than 4.

Dont give me all that salary cap blah blah --- I'm not interested, and have never been interested in the money talk. Im into Football, not Accounting.

As a football player, a Quarterback, I think 28 teams wish they had Drew Brees.

Preachin' to this choir, Mike. As Brees stands right now he is still the best QB we have ever had in our history and one of the greatest to have ever played the game.

TheOak 01-19-2020 04:46 AM

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Originally Posted by skymike (Post 877591)
Amen S. These young-uns dont remember Dave Wilson. Or the Billy Joes, or Ken Stabler who should have retired after Houston.

My question to the board is this:

How many incumbent QB's playing right now for other teams would you rather have than Brees? How many, and name them?

Lets see who you think, among active NFL QB's is better than Drew.

I'll bet the number is less than 4.

Dont give me all that salary cap blah blah --- I'm not interested, and have never been interested in the money talk. Im into Football, not Accounting.

As a football player, a Quarterback, I think 28 teams wish they had Drew Brees.

Fan's have a bad habit of turning something that isn't a strength into a weakness and ignoring the real strengths.

"arm strength" is often cited as an issue.. Well lets bring in JaMarcus Russelland see how people like the trade to arm strength away from decision making.

"tries to force plays".. Alex Smith is good at forcing absolutely nothing. Lets bring him in.

For years fans wanted Drew gone because of interceptions, now they have found something different.. Most fans forget or never knew what it was like to wait for Drew Brees to come to the Saints. :bng:


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