I Want Drew Brees Back IF.......

rezburna · 01-06-2020, 04:11 PM

It’s time for a quarterback who can get away from the pressure when it all breaks down.

ChrisXVI · 01-06-2020, 04:21 PM

Does it not bother anyone else that we have to sub in a different QB to throw a good deep ball? Then Brees starts pressing because of his ultra-competitive nature and he does what we saw yesterday.

saintfan · 01-06-2020, 04:50 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

It’s time for a quarterback who can get away from the pressure when it all breaks down.

I hate to agree. I love Drew Brees. I know we all do. I'm not going to be angry if we bring him back, but I agree, I think it's time. We're going to have to move on, and we have two guys in the building we can go to.

ChrisXVI · 01-06-2020, 04:55 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

I hate to agree. I love Drew Brees. I know we all do. I'm not going to be angry if we bring him back, but I agree, I think it's time. We're going to have to move on, and we have two guys in the building we can go to.

Most Saints fans will not be on board with it, but sometimes a franchise’s greatest player moves on. It’ll be ok. I agree with you.

Danno · 01-06-2020, 05:31 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

With all due respect to you, Brees did not get the Saints here. Not this year. He was up and down, and this team, for whatever reasons people want to believe, played better and more consistently in the games he missed.

My opinion is that this team was forced to play a balanced brand of football without Drew. And when he came back, it went right back to making Brees the focal point, and his diminished arm strength severely limits how diverse the passing plays can be anymore. There is virtually no threat of the deep pass. Because Drew is still an elite mind at the QB position, and is accurate in the distances he can reasonably throw to, he will have his moments. And we saw that. But we also saw some mediocrity in several games.

I don't say it's time to get rid of him, as this team needs to groom someone to take his place. But it IS time for this team to get serious about doing just that, and preparing for life after Brees. And it's time to stop pretending that Taysom is the 3rd string QB and make him a full time WR/TE. He's not a gimmick player. He is a star, who is confoundingly being straight jacketed by his "QB" status, all while the coaches have no problem making him cover kicks and punts. It's idiotic.

I'm afraid the end is near for Drew. As you said he was positively mediocre more often than usual. I may just be that thumb (hoping), but I don't think he can toss it any more than 40 yards in the air. Just no zip at all.

I'm now concerned that the end of a HOF career is very near. He's slowly turning into Chad Pennington. It makes me sad

dizzle88 · 01-06-2020, 06:04 PM

Brees is the greatest Saint to have ever played, but his time is coming. Nothing wrong with that, I dont hate him as a player, he's done amazing things for this organisation - but yesterday was one of the first times I've ever wanted Taysom to stay in instead of Brees.
Like already stated, anything over 30-40 yards and Brees' cannot execute it, not to mention the moment he gets a clean pocket he launches it into double coverage.

Paytons play calling is pretty suspect though too. Completely abandoning the run when Murray was running hard and the Vikings D knew all we did was pass.

With 3 consecutive playoff defeats and 6 playoff losses in the last decade, I think some major changes are necessary.

I think some of the underperforming players need to find new homes, specifically;

Peat, Warford, Ginn, Trequan, PJ and Marcus Williams to mention a few.

neugey · 01-06-2020, 06:13 PM

Well, this is awkward. I think almost everyone can see the writing is on the wall - it's going to be damn-near impossible to get by with a slow pocket QB in this league. The athleticism/talent of pass rushers and linebackers keep getting better and Offensive lines, even the good ones, just can't match it. The league collectively is getting play-action happy, running more, using multiple tight-ends sets - anything to keep their QB from getting bombarded. The real evidence comes in the sheer number of QB injuries this year.

This leaves us, the Pats and Chargers, at the minimum, in very awkward spots with our prestigious older franchise QB's. It seems ridiculous to show them the door after all they've done on and off the field. It seems ridiculous to keep using a square peg in what is now a round hole league where QB mobility is becoming vital. It seems ridiculous to think of all-time greats being relegated to playing in the XFL. It seems ridiculous to run a 2-QB system with Brees and Taysom evenly splitting the workload (even though I suggested it yesterday).

We could double down on Brees OR give our offense a complete makeover. Neither is going to be easy from the look of it.

The Dude · 01-06-2020, 07:18 PM

I don’t know of anyone else available that would be any better next year. Our draft sucks and good QBs aren’t exactly falling off trees. I think Brees has another year in him. It’s not his play that’s dropping off, it’s his health. Something wasn’t right yesterday. Hill was in as a passer more than he had been all season and I think it was out of necessity because Brees got dinged up somehow.
I would like to see us use a two QB system for one year and see if we can steal a SB that way. Not a long term solution but may work for a year.
The following year TH can take over

WillSaints81 · 01-07-2020, 01:07 AM

Originally Posted by The Dude

I don’t know of anyone else available that would be any better next year. Our draft sucks and good QBs aren’t exactly falling off trees. I think Brees has another year in him. It’s not his play that’s dropping off, it’s his health. Something wasn’t right yesterday. Hill was in as a passer more than he had been all season and I think it was out of necessity because Brees got dinged up somehow.
I would like to see us use a two QB system for one year and see if we can steal a SB that way. Not a long term solution but may work for a year.
The following year TH can take over

But can we actually go 13-3 three years in a row? If we don't get a first-round bye next year, it could be more of the same.

skymike · 01-07-2020, 01:49 AM

I think you guys need some Billy Joes, or Jim Everetts, or for those obsessed with fast legs, how bout a nice, dumb Vince Young? John Fourcade could run fast, too. How about a noodle-armed Steve Walsh?

Ya Spoilt.

Cam Newton, and his legs couldnt escape the Broncos. Nobody can play QB, when your line looks like silly putty.

But you want a runner. These are NFL defenses, honey. You're not playing Vanderbilt. Or Prairie View. You beat em out of the pocket using
your arm and your mind.

FAct time: We went 3-13 the last year we had anyone besides Brees at QB.

An aged Brees is still the best. He's still accurate. 90% of QB is half mental. He's smarter than anyone else who plays the game, including
Brady. And he can still outrun yall's Pillsbury asses, and throw the out pattern, which you cant do.

Yes, he makes too much money, unless he can block for himself. They all make
too much money. But open up a window. Some of yall need some air.

(Lets call my fav QB, Bobby out of retirement)

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saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: I Want Drew Brees Back IF....... Originally Posted by rezburna It’s time for a quarterback who can get away from the pressure when it all breaks down. I hate to agree. I love Drew Brees. I know we all do. I'm not going to be angry if we bring him back, but I agree, I think it's time. We're going to have to move on, and we have two guys in the building we can go to. Danno, ChrisXVI and K Major like this.

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ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: I Want Drew Brees Back IF....... Originally Posted by saintfan I hate to agree. I love Drew Brees. I know we all do. I'm not going to be angry if we bring him back, but I agree, I think it's time. We're going to have to move on, and we have two guys in the building we can go to. Most Saints fans will not be on board with it, but sometimes a franchise’s greatest player moves on. It’ll be ok. I agree with you.

01-06-2020, 05:31 PM	#35
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,720	Re: I Want Drew Brees Back IF....... Originally Posted by burningmetal With all due respect to you, Brees did not get the Saints here. Not this year. He was up and down, and this team, for whatever reasons people want to believe, played better and more consistently in the games he missed. My opinion is that this team was forced to play a balanced brand of football without Drew. And when he came back, it went right back to making Brees the focal point, and his diminished arm strength severely limits how diverse the passing plays can be anymore. There is virtually no threat of the deep pass. Because Drew is still an elite mind at the QB position, and is accurate in the distances he can reasonably throw to, he will have his moments. And we saw that. But we also saw some mediocrity in several games. I don't say it's time to get rid of him, as this team needs to groom someone to take his place. But it IS time for this team to get serious about doing just that, and preparing for life after Brees. And it's time to stop pretending that Taysom is the 3rd string QB and make him a full time WR/TE. He's not a gimmick player. He is a star, who is confoundingly being straight jacketed by his "QB" status, all while the coaches have no problem making him cover kicks and punts. It's idiotic. I'm afraid the end is near for Drew. As you said he was positively mediocre more often than usual. I may just be that thumb (hoping), but I don't think he can toss it any more than 40 yards in the air. Just no zip at all. I'm now concerned that the end of a HOF career is very near. He's slowly turning into Chad Pennington. It makes me sad dizzle88, ChrisXVI and burningmetal like this.

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01-06-2020, 06:13 PM	#37
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,697 Blog Entries: 13	Re: I Want Drew Brees Back IF....... Well, this is awkward. I think almost everyone can see the writing is on the wall - it's going to be damn-near impossible to get by with a slow pocket QB in this league. The athleticism/talent of pass rushers and linebackers keep getting better and Offensive lines, even the good ones, just can't match it. The league collectively is getting play-action happy, running more, using multiple tight-ends sets - anything to keep their QB from getting bombarded. The real evidence comes in the sheer number of QB injuries this year. This leaves us, the Pats and Chargers, at the minimum, in very awkward spots with our prestigious older franchise QB's. It seems ridiculous to show them the door after all they've done on and off the field. It seems ridiculous to keep using a square peg in what is now a round hole league where QB mobility is becoming vital. It seems ridiculous to think of all-time greats being relegated to playing in the XFL. It seems ridiculous to run a 2-QB system with Brees and Taysom evenly splitting the workload (even though I suggested it yesterday). We could double down on Brees OR give our offense a complete makeover. Neither is going to be easy from the look of it.

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01-07-2020, 01:07 AM	#39
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,267	Re: I Want Drew Brees Back IF....... Originally Posted by The Dude I don’t know of anyone else available that would be any better next year. Our draft sucks and good QBs aren’t exactly falling off trees. I think Brees has another year in him. It’s not his play that’s dropping off, it’s his health. Something wasn’t right yesterday. Hill was in as a passer more than he had been all season and I think it was out of necessity because Brees got dinged up somehow. I would like to see us use a two QB system for one year and see if we can steal a SB that way. Not a long term solution but may work for a year. The following year TH can take over But can we actually go 13-3 three years in a row? If we don't get a first-round bye next year, it could be more of the same.

01-07-2020, 01:49 AM	#40
skymike E. Side Cholo Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: The Barrio, H-town Posts: 6,089	Re: I Want Drew Brees Back IF....... I think you guys need some Billy Joes, or Jim Everetts, or for those obsessed with fast legs, how bout a nice, dumb Vince Young? John Fourcade could run fast, too. How about a noodle-armed Steve Walsh? Ya Spoilt. Cam Newton, and his legs couldnt escape the Broncos. Nobody can play QB, when your line looks like silly putty. But you want a runner. These are NFL defenses, honey. You're not playing Vanderbilt. Or Prairie View. You beat em out of the pocket using your arm and your mind. FAct time: We went 3-13 the last year we had anyone besides Brees at QB. An aged Brees is still the best. He's still accurate. 90% of QB is half mental. He's smarter than anyone else who plays the game, including Brady. And he can still outrun yall's Pillsbury asses, and throw the out pattern, which you cant do. Yes, he makes too much money, unless he can block for himself. They all make too much money. But open up a window. Some of yall need some air. (Lets call my fav QB, Bobby out of retirement) neugey, Budsdrinker and Rugby Saint II like this.
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