I Want Drew Brees Back IF.......

Danno · 01-06-2020, 04:31 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

With all due respect to you, Brees did not get the Saints here. Not this year. He was up and down, and this team, for whatever reasons people want to believe, played better and more consistently in the games he missed.

My opinion is that this team was forced to play a balanced brand of football without Drew. And when he came back, it went right back to making Brees the focal point, and his diminished arm strength severely limits how diverse the passing plays can be anymore. There is virtually no threat of the deep pass. Because Drew is still an elite mind at the QB position, and is accurate in the distances he can reasonably throw to, he will have his moments. And we saw that. But we also saw some mediocrity in several games.

I don't say it's time to get rid of him, as this team needs to groom someone to take his place. But it IS time for this team to get serious about doing just that, and preparing for life after Brees. And it's time to stop pretending that Taysom is the 3rd string QB and make him a full time WR/TE. He's not a gimmick player. He is a star, who is confoundingly being straight jacketed by his "QB" status, all while the coaches have no problem making him cover kicks and punts. It's idiotic.

I'm afraid the end is near for Drew. As you said he was positively mediocre more often than usual. I may just be that thumb (hoping), but I don't think he can toss it any more than 40 yards in the air. Just no zip at all.

I'm now concerned that the end of a HOF career is very near. He's slowly turning into Chad Pennington. It makes me sad

burningmetal · 01-07-2020, 02:21 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

I'm afraid the end is near for Drew. As you said he was positively mediocre more often than usual. I may just be that thumb (hoping), but I don't think he can toss it any more than 40 yards in the air. Just no zip at all.

I'm now concerned that the end of a HOF career is very near. He's slowly turning into Chad Pennington. It makes me sad

It makes me sad, too. That pick he threw, you could see he put his whole body into heaving that pass. It didn't go near far enough, obviously, and it hung up forever. That just doesn't get it done.

The Saints could use help at WR, but it doesn't pay to try to get a deep threat to compliment Thomas, if the QB can't get the ball out there. It's something that none of us liked to think about, but we knew this day had to come eventually.

Budsdrinker · 01-07-2020, 11:56 AM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

It makes me sad, too. That pick he threw, you could see he put his whole body into heaving that pass. It didn't go near far enough, obviously, and it hung up forever. That just doesn't get it done.

The Saints could use help at WR, but it doesn't pay to try to get a deep threat to compliment Thomas, if the QB can't get the ball out there. It's something that none of us liked to think about, but we knew this day had to come eventually.

After watching replays, that pass traveled 52 yards in the air. When it was let go, Ginn was in single coverage. Safety got there quick while ball was in the air.
We shouldn't have to throw 52 yard passes.

burningmetal · 01-07-2020, 08:55 PM

Originally Posted by Budsdrinker

After watching replays, that pass traveled 52 yards in the air. When it was let go, Ginn was in single coverage. Safety got there quick while ball was in the air.
We shouldn't have to throw 52 yard passes.

The problem is that, as I said, he put everything he had into that throw, and he had to put a very high arc on it to get it out there. That is an easy pick, every time.

You absolutely have to have the threat of the deep pass, if you want the intermediate stuff to open up. That, or be a dominant running team. Payton abandons the run even when it's working. Except when he didn't have Brees and didn't feel the need to showcase his QB at the expense of doing what was best for the team.

saintsfan1976 · 01-08-2020, 06:43 AM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

It makes me sad, too. That pick he threw, you could see he put his whole body into heaving that pass. It didn't go near far enough, obviously, and it hung up forever. That just doesn't get it done.

The Saints could use help at WR, but it doesn't pay to try to get a deep threat to compliment Thomas, if the QB can't get the ball out there. It's something that none of us liked to think about, but we knew this day had to come eventually.

Watching the Patriots playoff game I found myself coveting an Edelman type player for Brees. Heck even the Niners have TWO wide receivers barely half as talented as Micheal Thomas but know how to work zones, get open and get YAC.

No WR on our roster can do that. If we had them, Brees's career would extend.

01-06-2020, 04:31 PM	#1
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,758	Re: I Want Drew Brees Back IF....... Originally Posted by burningmetal With all due respect to you, Brees did not get the Saints here. Not this year. He was up and down, and this team, for whatever reasons people want to believe, played better and more consistently in the games he missed. My opinion is that this team was forced to play a balanced brand of football without Drew. And when he came back, it went right back to making Brees the focal point, and his diminished arm strength severely limits how diverse the passing plays can be anymore. There is virtually no threat of the deep pass. Because Drew is still an elite mind at the QB position, and is accurate in the distances he can reasonably throw to, he will have his moments. And we saw that. But we also saw some mediocrity in several games. I don't say it's time to get rid of him, as this team needs to groom someone to take his place. But it IS time for this team to get serious about doing just that, and preparing for life after Brees. And it's time to stop pretending that Taysom is the 3rd string QB and make him a full time WR/TE. He's not a gimmick player. He is a star, who is confoundingly being straight jacketed by his "QB" status, all while the coaches have no problem making him cover kicks and punts. It's idiotic. I'm afraid the end is near for Drew. As you said he was positively mediocre more often than usual. I may just be that thumb (hoping), but I don't think he can toss it any more than 40 yards in the air. Just no zip at all. I'm now concerned that the end of a HOF career is very near. He's slowly turning into Chad Pennington. It makes me sad dizzle88, ChrisXVI and burningmetal like this.

01-07-2020, 02:21 AM	#2
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: I Want Drew Brees Back IF....... Originally Posted by Danno I'm afraid the end is near for Drew. As you said he was positively mediocre more often than usual. I may just be that thumb (hoping), but I don't think he can toss it any more than 40 yards in the air. Just no zip at all. I'm now concerned that the end of a HOF career is very near. He's slowly turning into Chad Pennington. It makes me sad It makes me sad, too. That pick he threw, you could see he put his whole body into heaving that pass. It didn't go near far enough, obviously, and it hung up forever. That just doesn't get it done. The Saints could use help at WR, but it doesn't pay to try to get a deep threat to compliment Thomas, if the QB can't get the ball out there. It's something that none of us liked to think about, but we knew this day had to come eventually. saintsfan1976 likes this.

01-07-2020, 11:56 AM	#3
Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Re: I Want Drew Brees Back IF....... Originally Posted by burningmetal It makes me sad, too. That pick he threw, you could see he put his whole body into heaving that pass. It didn't go near far enough, obviously, and it hung up forever. That just doesn't get it done. The Saints could use help at WR, but it doesn't pay to try to get a deep threat to compliment Thomas, if the QB can't get the ball out there. It's something that none of us liked to think about, but we knew this day had to come eventually. After watching replays, that pass traveled 52 yards in the air. When it was let go, Ginn was in single coverage. Safety got there quick while ball was in the air. We shouldn't have to throw 52 yard passes. neugey likes this.

01-07-2020, 08:55 PM	#4
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: I Want Drew Brees Back IF....... Originally Posted by Budsdrinker After watching replays, that pass traveled 52 yards in the air. When it was let go, Ginn was in single coverage. Safety got there quick while ball was in the air. We shouldn't have to throw 52 yard passes. The problem is that, as I said, he put everything he had into that throw, and he had to put a very high arc on it to get it out there. That is an easy pick, every time. You absolutely have to have the threat of the deep pass, if you want the intermediate stuff to open up. That, or be a dominant running team. Payton abandons the run even when it's working. Except when he didn't have Brees and didn't feel the need to showcase his QB at the expense of doing what was best for the team. dizzle88 likes this.
	If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.

01-08-2020, 06:43 AM	#5
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 11,036 Blog Entries: 3	Re: I Want Drew Brees Back IF....... Originally Posted by burningmetal It makes me sad, too. That pick he threw, you could see he put his whole body into heaving that pass. It didn't go near far enough, obviously, and it hung up forever. That just doesn't get it done. The Saints could use help at WR, but it doesn't pay to try to get a deep threat to compliment Thomas, if the QB can't get the ball out there. It's something that none of us liked to think about, but we knew this day had to come eventually. Watching the Patriots playoff game I found myself coveting an Edelman type player for Brees. Heck even the Niners have TWO wide receivers barely half as talented as Micheal Thomas but know how to work zones, get open and get YAC. No WR on our roster can do that. If we had them, Brees's career would extend. dam1953, Rell&Gold, K Major and 1 others like this.