QBs we have lost to in the playoffs and their regression

vpheughan · 01-06-2020, 12:11 PM

Originally Posted by CHA_CHING

This seems to be our trademark going back to 2006. We always make a certain type of QB look like a Pro Bowler in the playoffs.

That type of QB tends to be the mediocre at best category.

2006 - Rex Grossman - 73.2 rating, 1 TD/0 INT, 0 sacks

Grossman was atrocious in the SB vs Indy. He's also the exception here, that he completed less than 50% of his passes against us, but went 20/28 vs the Colts for 1 TD/2 INT and a sack. Grossman's pick six early in the 4th sealed the game for the Colts.

2010 - Matt Hassleback - 113 rating, 4 TD/1 INT, 1 sack

Lost in all the BEASTMODE stuff, is that Hassleback had a great game. This was his best game of the year, as he had a 12/17 TD/INT ratio that season and was one of the worst QBs in 2010. Hassleback managed to continue playing at a high level the next week vs Chicago, where he had 3 TDs and a 92 rating.

2011 - Alex Smith - 103 rating, 3 TD/0 INT, 4 sacks/1 fumble

Smith was merely a game manager at best under Harbaugh. He didn't have his breakout seasons until he got to K.C. with Andy Reid as his coach. A week later, Smith went 12/26 for 196 yards, 2 TDs and a 97 rating. His stats are deceptive here, cause his bad play was the major reason the Niners couldn't finish off the Giants.

2017 - Case Keenum - 85 rating, 1 TD/1 INT, 2 sacks

Keenum really didn't do much in this game outside the Minnesota Miracle hail mary he's known for. A week later, he went down to a 63 rating, 1 TD/2 INTs and was ran out of Minnesota after their 13-3 season came to an end with a blowout loss.

2018 - Jared Goff - 83 rating, 1 TD/1 INT, 1 sack

In the SB, Goff returned to true form and hasn't been the same since as the Patriots embarrassed him with a 57 rating, 0 TD/1 INT, 4 sacks and a bunch of dropped INTs. He threw for 300 yards against us, the Pats held him down to 229 as the Rams only scored 3 points the entire game.

This is a trend with us. We make these lousy QBs look like Pro Bowlers against us and with the exception of Matt Hassleback, the next week, they regress back to form and are usually humiliated.

Kirk Cousins will go back to his usual self next week going by this trend.

Interesting but like all statistics can be spun how ever you want to spin them. I don't consider a one game sample as "GOSPEL"

Rex Grossman 2006 Season

Grossman has occasionally recorded notable statistics; among all quarterbacks during the 2006 season, Grossman ranked tenth in number of pass attempts, seventh in touchdowns thrown, and third in interceptions. He completed his first full season with a 73.9 quarterback rating.

Matt Hasselbeck Hasselbeck’s 11 postseason starts as a quarterback rank 16th all-time in NFL history, leading the Seahawks to five postseasons in a row under Mike Holmgren at one point.

Case Keenum 2017 In 15 games (14 starts) of 2017, Keenum finished with 3,547 passing yards, 22 touchdowns, 7 interceptions, and a passer rating of 98.3. He was ranked 51st by his peers on the NFL Top 100 Players of 2018.

Jared Goff 2018 Goff ended the season by throwing four touchdown passes in a 48–32 victory over the San Francisco 49ers, and finished 2018 with 4,688 yards, the second-highest single-season total in franchise history, and his 32 touchdown passes were the third-highest total among Ram quarterbacks, trailing only Hall of Famer Kurt Warner in both categories.

CHA_CHING · 01-09-2020, 09:50 PM

Originally Posted by vpheughan

Interesting but like all statistics can be spun how ever you want to spin them. I don't consider a one game sample as "GOSPEL"

Rex Grossman 2006 Season

Grossman has occasionally recorded notable statistics; among all quarterbacks during the 2006 season, Grossman ranked tenth in number of pass attempts, seventh in touchdowns thrown, and third in interceptions. He completed his first full season with a 73.9 quarterback rating.

Grossman was up and down in 2006. I do not have the chart anymore, but there used to be a chart showing where his stats would climb one week, then plummet the next.

Grossman is really a QB bust and that 2006 Bears team was all about their defense. The Bears probably take that SB down to the wire if they had a better QB, cause the Colts offense struggled with that defense. That SB pretty much came down to who had the better QB. Even though Manning struggled, it's no question you take him over Grossman.

I have long said this and pissed a lot of people off on the other Saints forum when I do say it - 2006 had a weak NFC and that included us. It was such a bad year for the NFC that a 10-6 record got us a bye in the playoffs. After a deep playoff run, we plummeted down to 7-9 in 2007 and looked rough for the first quarter of the season with blow out losses.

2006 was all about the AFC. They had 4 legit contenders who would've all beaten us and the Bears. Those teams were Baltimore, San Diego, Indy and New England. 2006 IMO was the Chargers year if not for Marlon McCree's bone headed move. I think they would've beat the Colts and no doubt stomp the Bears.

Case Keenum 2017 In 15 games (14 starts) of 2017, Keenum finished with 3,547 passing yards, 22 touchdowns, 7 interceptions, and a passer rating of 98.3. He was ranked 51st by his peers on the NFL Top 100 Players of 2018.

Jared Goff 2018 Goff ended the season by throwing four touchdown passes in a 48–32 victory over the San Francisco 49ers, and finished 2018 with 4,688 yards, the second-highest single-season total in franchise history, and his 32 touchdown passes were the third-highest total among Ram quarterbacks, trailing only Hall of Famer Kurt Warner in both categories.

These guys' numbers both tanked after playing the Saints. We made them look like Pro Bowlers, then they dropped to the floor. That's pretty much what I'm saying.

Goff really was never the same again after the Bears loss that season. Chicago wrote the blueprint to shutting him down like how Dallas showed the world how to stop our offense that year. Goff has low football IQ and the Bears showed if you change formations and disguise stuff after the QB/Coach head set cuts off, he is a deer starring in headlights.

We're really the only team the Rams played after that Bears loss, who didn't take advantage of this. Instead, the Rams picked on our weaknesses in the secondary. They used Brandin Cooks to show we had some glaring match up problems since our guys struggled with speed.

Even when we played the Rams this past year, we didn't take advantage of that with Goff, and as the game went on, we allowed him to light us up with big plays.

One last thing on Goff - IMO he's the Drew Bledsoe of this generation. Bledsoe never had any middle ground. He was always absolutely amazing, or down right terrible. In the first half of the 1999 season, he was an elite QB but in the second half, he was one of the 4 worst QBs. Bledsoe had some good moments in the 1996 playoffs, then had 4 INTs in the SB. Goff reminds me so much of him cause you never know what you're going to get week to week anymore. He's either going to be terrific or awful.

01-06-2020, 12:11 PM	#1
vpheughan 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 4,555	Re: QBs we have lost to in the playoffs and their regression Originally Posted by CHA_CHING This seems to be our trademark going back to 2006. We always make a certain type of QB look like a Pro Bowler in the playoffs. That type of QB tends to be the mediocre at best category. 2006 - Rex Grossman - 73.2 rating, 1 TD/0 INT, 0 sacks Grossman was atrocious in the SB vs Indy. He's also the exception here, that he completed less than 50% of his passes against us, but went 20/28 vs the Colts for 1 TD/2 INT and a sack. Grossman's pick six early in the 4th sealed the game for the Colts. 2010 - Matt Hassleback - 113 rating, 4 TD/1 INT, 1 sack Lost in all the BEASTMODE stuff, is that Hassleback had a great game. This was his best game of the year, as he had a 12/17 TD/INT ratio that season and was one of the worst QBs in 2010. Hassleback managed to continue playing at a high level the next week vs Chicago, where he had 3 TDs and a 92 rating. 2011 - Alex Smith - 103 rating, 3 TD/0 INT, 4 sacks/1 fumble Smith was merely a game manager at best under Harbaugh. He didn't have his breakout seasons until he got to K.C. with Andy Reid as his coach. A week later, Smith went 12/26 for 196 yards, 2 TDs and a 97 rating. His stats are deceptive here, cause his bad play was the major reason the Niners couldn't finish off the Giants. 2017 - Case Keenum - 85 rating, 1 TD/1 INT, 2 sacks Keenum really didn't do much in this game outside the Minnesota Miracle hail mary he's known for. A week later, he went down to a 63 rating, 1 TD/2 INTs and was ran out of Minnesota after their 13-3 season came to an end with a blowout loss. 2018 - Jared Goff - 83 rating, 1 TD/1 INT, 1 sack In the SB, Goff returned to true form and hasn't been the same since as the Patriots embarrassed him with a 57 rating, 0 TD/1 INT, 4 sacks and a bunch of dropped INTs. He threw for 300 yards against us, the Pats held him down to 229 as the Rams only scored 3 points the entire game. This is a trend with us. We make these lousy QBs look like Pro Bowlers against us and with the exception of Matt Hassleback, the next week, they regress back to form and are usually humiliated. Kirk Cousins will go back to his usual self next week going by this trend. Interesting but like all statistics can be spun how ever you want to spin them. I don't consider a one game sample as "GOSPEL" Rex Grossman 2006 Season Grossman has occasionally recorded notable statistics; among all quarterbacks during the 2006 season, Grossman ranked tenth in number of pass attempts, seventh in touchdowns thrown, and third in interceptions. He completed his first full season with a 73.9 quarterback rating. Matt Hasselbeck Hasselbeck’s 11 postseason starts as a quarterback rank 16th all-time in NFL history, leading the Seahawks to five postseasons in a row under Mike Holmgren at one point. Case Keenum 2017 In 15 games (14 starts) of 2017, Keenum finished with 3,547 passing yards, 22 touchdowns, 7 interceptions, and a passer rating of 98.3. He was ranked 51st by his peers on the NFL Top 100 Players of 2018. Jared Goff 2018 Goff ended the season by throwing four touchdown passes in a 48–32 victory over the San Francisco 49ers, and finished 2018 with 4,688 yards, the second-highest single-season total in franchise history, and his 32 touchdown passes were the third-highest total among Ram quarterbacks, trailing only Hall of Famer Kurt Warner in both categories.
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01-09-2020, 09:50 PM	#2
CHA_CHING 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: Mobile, AL Posts: 1,159	Re: QBs we have lost to in the playoffs and their regression Originally Posted by vpheughan Interesting but like all statistics can be spun how ever you want to spin them. I don't consider a one game sample as "GOSPEL" Rex Grossman 2006 Season Grossman has occasionally recorded notable statistics; among all quarterbacks during the 2006 season, Grossman ranked tenth in number of pass attempts, seventh in touchdowns thrown, and third in interceptions. He completed his first full season with a 73.9 quarterback rating. Grossman was up and down in 2006. I do not have the chart anymore, but there used to be a chart showing where his stats would climb one week, then plummet the next. Grossman is really a QB bust and that 2006 Bears team was all about their defense. The Bears probably take that SB down to the wire if they had a better QB, cause the Colts offense struggled with that defense. That SB pretty much came down to who had the better QB. Even though Manning struggled, it's no question you take him over Grossman. I have long said this and pissed a lot of people off on the other Saints forum when I do say it - 2006 had a weak NFC and that included us. It was such a bad year for the NFC that a 10-6 record got us a bye in the playoffs. After a deep playoff run, we plummeted down to 7-9 in 2007 and looked rough for the first quarter of the season with blow out losses. 2006 was all about the AFC. They had 4 legit contenders who would've all beaten us and the Bears. Those teams were Baltimore, San Diego, Indy and New England. 2006 IMO was the Chargers year if not for Marlon McCree's bone headed move. I think they would've beat the Colts and no doubt stomp the Bears. Case Keenum 2017 In 15 games (14 starts) of 2017, Keenum finished with 3,547 passing yards, 22 touchdowns, 7 interceptions, and a passer rating of 98.3. He was ranked 51st by his peers on the NFL Top 100 Players of 2018. Jared Goff 2018 Goff ended the season by throwing four touchdown passes in a 48–32 victory over the San Francisco 49ers, and finished 2018 with 4,688 yards, the second-highest single-season total in franchise history, and his 32 touchdown passes were the third-highest total among Ram quarterbacks, trailing only Hall of Famer Kurt Warner in both categories. These guys' numbers both tanked after playing the Saints. We made them look like Pro Bowlers, then they dropped to the floor. That's pretty much what I'm saying. Goff really was never the same again after the Bears loss that season. Chicago wrote the blueprint to shutting him down like how Dallas showed the world how to stop our offense that year. Goff has low football IQ and the Bears showed if you change formations and disguise stuff after the QB/Coach head set cuts off, he is a deer starring in headlights. We're really the only team the Rams played after that Bears loss, who didn't take advantage of this. Instead, the Rams picked on our weaknesses in the secondary. They used Brandin Cooks to show we had some glaring match up problems since our guys struggled with speed. Even when we played the Rams this past year, we didn't take advantage of that with Goff, and as the game went on, we allowed him to light us up with big plays. One last thing on Goff - IMO he's the Drew Bledsoe of this generation. Bledsoe never had any middle ground. He was always absolutely amazing, or down right terrible. In the first half of the 1999 season, he was an elite QB but in the second half, he was one of the 4 worst QBs. Bledsoe had some good moments in the 1996 playoffs, then had 4 INTs in the SB. Goff reminds me so much of him cause you never know what you're going to get week to week anymore. He's either going to be terrific or awful.

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