A different kind of feeling

dam1953 · 01-07-2020, 11:09 AM

Originally Posted by 73Saint

I don't know why, but I don't feel as bad this year as the last few. And, strangely enough before Sunday's loss, I had more confidence in this team than the last two. Maybe it's because we seemed to have been hitting on all cylinders last few games. Regardless, I'm just along for the ride at this point. I'll continue to put my faith and trust in the front office, and hope for the best. It's still a whole lot better than the Saints of old.

One thing though, I need to get better at how I handle watching these damn games. I have gotten so bad, that no one wants to be around me during the games (and honestly, I don't want anyone around, myself). I have so much anxiety, I make myself absolutely miserable. I have a very difficult time controlling my emotions, it's quite embarrassing actually. Like a 46 y/o throwing a temper tantrum. Makes me wonder wtf is wrong with me.

There, I said it. And I feel better already. Anyone else struggle with this? I am not a drinker, and I have enough bad habits that I don't feel this is one I need to start so I don't feel like booze is the solution.

There is a medical term for your condition....it's called emotional desensitization. Witness a tragic event often enough and it eventually becomes...no big deal. All Saints fans have been diagnosed with it.

frydaddy · 01-07-2020, 11:15 AM

Originally Posted by 73Saint

I don't know why, but I don't feel as bad this year as the last few. And, strangely enough before Sunday's loss, I had more confidence in this team than the last two. Maybe it's because we seemed to have been hitting on all cylinders last few games. Regardless, I'm just along for the ride at this point. I'll continue to put my faith and trust in the front office, and hope for the best. It's still a whole lot better than the Saints of old.

One thing though, I need to get better at how I handle watching these damn games. I have gotten so bad, that no one wants to be around me during the games (and honestly, I don't want anyone around, myself). I have so much anxiety, I make myself absolutely miserable. I have a very difficult time controlling my emotions, it's quite embarrassing actually. Like a 46 y/o throwing a temper tantrum. Makes me wonder wtf is wrong with me.

There, I said it. And I feel better already. Anyone else struggle with this? I am not a drinker, and I have enough bad habits that I don't feel this is one I need to start so I don't feel like booze is the solution.

I used to be that way too. I've calmed down a lot over the last few years though. I think admitting to yourself that you have an issue is the first step. Then you just have to make a conscious effort not to get so upset. It's not easy at first, but it gets easier. Honestly, I barely reacted to this loss. Part of that is because I've calmed, part of it is because I have lost a lot of love for the game in the last 2 years. The clear bias against the saints makes it difficult to invest much emotional stock anymore, and I've learned that there are far more important things in life than any game. At the end of the day, it's just entertainment, put on by people who couldn't care less whether I'm really enjoying it or not. It's nice to have a team to root for and all, but when I look back on my life I'm not likely to list any football games amongst the things that made me truly happy.

73Saint · 01-07-2020, 11:31 AM

Well said Frydaddy

RaginCajun83 · 01-07-2020, 11:52 AM

I don’t react the same way I used to after game like this or any lose for that matter. Yeah it sucks to see them lose but they did it to themselves. One thing that has helped me is my daughter. She’s one and after the game she was spinning around and falling but her laugh was so damn funny that I couldn’t help but laugh with her

Rugby Saint II · 01-09-2020, 06:04 PM

I'm a bright and cheerful person every day. That changed the morning we played. I knew we would not win that game. I was rude the rest of the day and still have sticky notes everywhere with explicatives on them! Yesterday was better but it's been brutal. I can't stop playing sappy sad songs and as usual after the final game my friends worry about me and know that I'm depressed. There are supportive words but no one comes by the house. I'm known to brood after the sudden end to such a bright future.

The worst thing about this year is Drew's best years are behind him now and that doesn't set well with me. This was the year I saw him become mortal. We have one Lombardi trophy and that's a slap in the face to Drew. It's a crime and I'm still mad!

WhoDat!656 · 01-09-2020, 06:20 PM

I had a feeling before the game that the Saints weren't going to win, but I was hoping that the football Gods were going to favor us.

True, the Saints didn't play their best, but despite all of that, were were there at the end.

If the OPI ad been called, I believe the Saints D would have held the viqueens to a FG and we would have gotten a huge return from Harris and the Saints would have scored a TD to win it.

I never in a million years thought the league would let another non-call, especially one as obvious as that one, decide another playoff game.

dizzle88 · 01-09-2020, 07:46 PM

Originally Posted by frydaddy

I used to be that way too. I've calmed down a lot over the last few years though. I think admitting to yourself that you have an issue is the first step. Then you just have to make a conscious effort not to get so upset. It's not easy at first, but it gets easier. Honestly, I barely reacted to this loss. Part of that is because I've calmed, part of it is because I have lost a lot of love for the game in the last 2 years. The clear bias against the saints makes it difficult to invest much emotional stock anymore, and I've learned that there are far more important things in life than any game. At the end of the day, it's just entertainment, put on by people who couldn't care less whether I'm really enjoying it or not. It's nice to have a team to root for and all, but when I look back on my life I'm not likely to list any football games amongst the things that made me truly happy.

Well Said!
The ending to 2017 - I was distraught and inconsolable that a missed tackle at that stage ended our season, I was in a mood for about 2-3 weeks.

In 2018 - I was massively upset, but not distraught like the year prior. Everyone saw the early hit and whether they admit or not, knew we were robbed of a Super Bowl appearance. Once again, I was in a mood for a while, just not as bad as the previous season.

2019 - I had a bad feeling all week - especially when I saw some talking about the weather in GB. I had a feeling that Cousins would look like Montana facing us, Theilen absolutely destroyed Lattimore all game.

But honestly, the loss stung for about 2 hours tops and then I asked myself "why am I always in a mood about something completely out of my control?" And that's when I got over it.
I went to work, people asked about the game, I explained we got beat by a team who wanted it more and then i went about my day, not letting it affect my mood, I'm in a job I love and would hate to put a dampener on it due to a game.

As you said though, I dont find myself as emotionally invested in the Saints recently. A few years ago, I'd always go back and watch games. Not anymore. The high it used to give me when we scored / won was great, but the anxiety of the games was unbearable at times, which explains why I'd often say stuff in the heat of the moment, complete frustration and completely not worth it.

frydaddy · 01-09-2020, 08:24 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

Well Said!
The ending to 2017 - I was distraught and inconsolable that a missed tackle at that stage ended our season, I was in a mood for about 2-3 weeks.

In 2018 - I was massively upset, but not distraught like the year prior. Everyone saw the early hit and whether they admit or not, knew we were robbed of a Super Bowl appearance. Once again, I was in a mood for a while, just not as bad as the previous season.

2019 - I had a bad feeling all week - especially when I saw some talking about the weather in GB. I had a feeling that Cousins would look like Montana facing us, Theilen absolutely destroyed Lattimore all game.

But honestly, the loss stung for about 2 hours tops and then I asked myself "why am I always in a mood about something completely out of my control?" And that's when I got over it.
I went to work, people asked about the game, I explained we got beat by a team who wanted it more and then i went about my day, not letting it affect my mood, I'm in a job I love and would hate to put a dampener on it due to a game.

As you said though, I dont find myself as emotionally invested in the Saints recently. A few years ago, I'd always go back and watch games. Not anymore. The high it used to give me when we scored / won was great, but the anxiety of the games was unbearable at times, which explains why I'd often say stuff in the heat of the moment, complete frustration and completely not worth it.

Yep, I watched the waning moments of the game while walking around the grocery store with my wife. I was upset for about 2 seconds, then I looked up from my phone and saw my beautiful wife smiling at me and I was over it. In years past there would have been no prying me from the couch during any saints game. It's just not that important to me anymore.

CHA_CHING · 01-10-2020, 01:45 AM

I'm with you, this loss don't really hurt me as bad as others for a number of reasons. It's weird, cause I absolutely hate Minnesota with a passion but find myself humbled by them and feeling like they deserve 100% credit.

2017 hurt cause it was a fluke play and we really had them beat. I don't think we beat Philly the next week though. It also hurt badly cause it was the Vikings who have a history of beating us like that.

2018 hurt cause it was a brutal realization that Bress' window was most likely closed for good. I have long said on here that I was not confident about playing the Pats in the SB and still am not. There was something about the way 2018 ended though, that was foreshadowing that we were most likely going to lose. Unfortunately, we got the stupid non-call and it distracted 90% of fans from the hard truth, which was that something was really wrong with that team towards the end of the year.

I think one of the key problems with this years Saints team is that they turned victimhood into their identity. All year long, all you heard about was that stupid non-call. No one on this team wanted to take responsibility for the NFCCG loss. Payton wanted rules changed, we spent months wasting our time on this. No one said "hey, we blew a 13-0 and 20-10 loss, we need to get our act together and finish games". We became "that team who got robbed".

Instead of taking accountability for that loss and responsibly trying to overcome our mistakes, they just wanted everyone to basically feel sorry for them. That's not how the NFL works. No one feels pity for us anymore and you know what? No one should. It's become our identity now to be victims and whine about refs all the time. We should be criticizing our coach, defensive coordinator, GM and even our quarterback for playing poorly in the post season.

The Saints for the past 3 years have come to really reminds me of the Jim Harbaugh 49ers. If anyone remembers, they were the SB contender who always fell short like us. Harbaugh would go off on childish temper tantrums at the refs over stuff, and YES, the 49ers had bad calls go against them -

In 2011, it was the refs blowing the whistle on a fumble by Brandon Jacobs. The Giants went on to beat them in OT. This one bad call though distracted their fans from the fact that the Niners couldn't close the door on the Giants and allowed them to hang around in the game all day. You could also throw in what they complained about with a non-call on targeting the punt returner's head. That's the guy who fumbled twice, sealing the game for the Giants with his second fumble in OT.

In 2012 there was the egregious PI non-call on Crabtree in the SB on their last drive. This distracted everyone from the fact that they only got to the 5 yard line cause Frank Gore broke off a 20+ yard run, then Harbaugh called 4 pass plays rather than giving the ball back to Gore and trying to punch it in. Also makes everyone forget the fact that they were getting crushed in a hilarious blowout until the power went out for a while and that sparked some life into them.

In 2013, Niners fans long screamed about getting a roughing the passer call from a sack/fumble on Brees and us beating them. That cost them home field advantage apparently... they went into Seattle and had to deal with a number of missed non-calls and bad officiating in general. Like their other losses though, this distracted them from other reasons they lost. Namely Kaepernick played like trash in that game and like us with the NFCCG last year, they had a chance to win in the end and he threw a pick.

All in all though, the bad calls and officiating was a major distraction from the fact that those 49ers teams were really missing something... kinda like how the 2017, 2018 and 2019 Saints were all missing something too. Fans focus on the refs cause they don't want to look at the bigger picture. Those Niners teams were good, but in all 3 of those years, they were clearly missing something. The same can be said for these Saints teams. I never felt they were truly going to win it all in any of these 3 years. They all peaked in November and went into the playoffs missing something.

WillMacKenzie · 01-10-2020, 08:55 AM

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01-07-2020, 11:09 AM	#11
dam1953 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: SW Ohio Posts: 4,645	Re: A different kind of feeling Originally Posted by 73Saint I don't know why, but I don't feel as bad this year as the last few. And, strangely enough before Sunday's loss, I had more confidence in this team than the last two. Maybe it's because we seemed to have been hitting on all cylinders last few games. Regardless, I'm just along for the ride at this point. I'll continue to put my faith and trust in the front office, and hope for the best. It's still a whole lot better than the Saints of old. One thing though, I need to get better at how I handle watching these damn games. I have gotten so bad, that no one wants to be around me during the games (and honestly, I don't want anyone around, myself). I have so much anxiety, I make myself absolutely miserable. I have a very difficult time controlling my emotions, it's quite embarrassing actually. Like a 46 y/o throwing a temper tantrum. Makes me wonder wtf is wrong with me. There, I said it. And I feel better already. Anyone else struggle with this? I am not a drinker, and I have enough bad habits that I don't feel this is one I need to start so I don't feel like booze is the solution. There is a medical term for your condition....it's called emotional desensitization. Witness a tragic event often enough and it eventually becomes...no big deal. All Saints fans have been diagnosed with it. Rugby Saint II likes this.

01-07-2020, 11:15 AM	#12
frydaddy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Lafayette Posts: 1,950 Blog Entries: 1	Re: A different kind of feeling Originally Posted by 73Saint I don't know why, but I don't feel as bad this year as the last few. And, strangely enough before Sunday's loss, I had more confidence in this team than the last two. Maybe it's because we seemed to have been hitting on all cylinders last few games. Regardless, I'm just along for the ride at this point. I'll continue to put my faith and trust in the front office, and hope for the best. It's still a whole lot better than the Saints of old. One thing though, I need to get better at how I handle watching these damn games. I have gotten so bad, that no one wants to be around me during the games (and honestly, I don't want anyone around, myself). I have so much anxiety, I make myself absolutely miserable. I have a very difficult time controlling my emotions, it's quite embarrassing actually. Like a 46 y/o throwing a temper tantrum. Makes me wonder wtf is wrong with me. There, I said it. And I feel better already. Anyone else struggle with this? I am not a drinker, and I have enough bad habits that I don't feel this is one I need to start so I don't feel like booze is the solution. I used to be that way too. I've calmed down a lot over the last few years though. I think admitting to yourself that you have an issue is the first step. Then you just have to make a conscious effort not to get so upset. It's not easy at first, but it gets easier. Honestly, I barely reacted to this loss. Part of that is because I've calmed, part of it is because I have lost a lot of love for the game in the last 2 years. The clear bias against the saints makes it difficult to invest much emotional stock anymore, and I've learned that there are far more important things in life than any game. At the end of the day, it's just entertainment, put on by people who couldn't care less whether I'm really enjoying it or not. It's nice to have a team to root for and all, but when I look back on my life I'm not likely to list any football games amongst the things that made me truly happy. jnormand, dizzle88, 73Saint and 1 others like this.
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01-07-2020, 11:31 AM	#13
73Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: NOLA Posts: 2,336	Re: A different kind of feeling Well said Frydaddy

01-07-2020, 11:52 AM	#14
RaginCajun83 Hou Saints Fan Join Date: Sep 2009 Location: Houston, Tx Posts: 5,050	Re: A different kind of feeling I don’t react the same way I used to after game like this or any lose for that matter. Yeah it sucks to see them lose but they did it to themselves. One thing that has helped me is my daughter. She’s one and after the game she was spinning around and falling but her laugh was so damn funny that I couldn’t help but laugh with her neugey, skymike, dizzle88 and 1 others like this.

01-09-2020, 06:04 PM	#15
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,073	Re: A different kind of feeling I'm a bright and cheerful person every day. That changed the morning we played. I knew we would not win that game. I was rude the rest of the day and still have sticky notes everywhere with explicatives on them! Yesterday was better but it's been brutal. I can't stop playing sappy sad songs and as usual after the final game my friends worry about me and know that I'm depressed. There are supportive words but no one comes by the house. I'm known to brood after the sudden end to such a bright future. The worst thing about this year is Drew's best years are behind him now and that doesn't set well with me. This was the year I saw him become mortal. We have one Lombardi trophy and that's a slap in the face to Drew. It's a crime and I'm still mad!
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01-09-2020, 07:46 PM	#17
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,358	Re: A different kind of feeling Originally Posted by frydaddy I used to be that way too. I've calmed down a lot over the last few years though. I think admitting to yourself that you have an issue is the first step. Then you just have to make a conscious effort not to get so upset. It's not easy at first, but it gets easier. Honestly, I barely reacted to this loss. Part of that is because I've calmed, part of it is because I have lost a lot of love for the game in the last 2 years. The clear bias against the saints makes it difficult to invest much emotional stock anymore, and I've learned that there are far more important things in life than any game. At the end of the day, it's just entertainment, put on by people who couldn't care less whether I'm really enjoying it or not. It's nice to have a team to root for and all, but when I look back on my life I'm not likely to list any football games amongst the things that made me truly happy. Well Said! The ending to 2017 - I was distraught and inconsolable that a missed tackle at that stage ended our season, I was in a mood for about 2-3 weeks. In 2018 - I was massively upset, but not distraught like the year prior. Everyone saw the early hit and whether they admit or not, knew we were robbed of a Super Bowl appearance. Once again, I was in a mood for a while, just not as bad as the previous season. 2019 - I had a bad feeling all week - especially when I saw some talking about the weather in GB. I had a feeling that Cousins would look like Montana facing us, Theilen absolutely destroyed Lattimore all game. But honestly, the loss stung for about 2 hours tops and then I asked myself "why am I always in a mood about something completely out of my control?" And that's when I got over it. I went to work, people asked about the game, I explained we got beat by a team who wanted it more and then i went about my day, not letting it affect my mood, I'm in a job I love and would hate to put a dampener on it due to a game. As you said though, I dont find myself as emotionally invested in the Saints recently. A few years ago, I'd always go back and watch games. Not anymore. The high it used to give me when we scored / won was great, but the anxiety of the games was unbearable at times, which explains why I'd often say stuff in the heat of the moment, complete frustration and completely not worth it. neugey, 73Saint and frydaddy like this.
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01-09-2020, 08:24 PM	#18
frydaddy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Lafayette Posts: 1,950 Blog Entries: 1	Re: A different kind of feeling Originally Posted by dizzle88 Well Said! The ending to 2017 - I was distraught and inconsolable that a missed tackle at that stage ended our season, I was in a mood for about 2-3 weeks. In 2018 - I was massively upset, but not distraught like the year prior. Everyone saw the early hit and whether they admit or not, knew we were robbed of a Super Bowl appearance. Once again, I was in a mood for a while, just not as bad as the previous season. 2019 - I had a bad feeling all week - especially when I saw some talking about the weather in GB. I had a feeling that Cousins would look like Montana facing us, Theilen absolutely destroyed Lattimore all game. But honestly, the loss stung for about 2 hours tops and then I asked myself "why am I always in a mood about something completely out of my control?" And that's when I got over it. I went to work, people asked about the game, I explained we got beat by a team who wanted it more and then i went about my day, not letting it affect my mood, I'm in a job I love and would hate to put a dampener on it due to a game. As you said though, I dont find myself as emotionally invested in the Saints recently. A few years ago, I'd always go back and watch games. Not anymore. The high it used to give me when we scored / won was great, but the anxiety of the games was unbearable at times, which explains why I'd often say stuff in the heat of the moment, complete frustration and completely not worth it. Yep, I watched the waning moments of the game while walking around the grocery store with my wife. I was upset for about 2 seconds, then I looked up from my phone and saw my beautiful wife smiling at me and I was over it. In years past there would have been no prying me from the couch during any saints game. It's just not that important to me anymore. K Major likes this.

01-10-2020, 01:45 AM	#19
CHA_CHING 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: Mobile, AL Posts: 1,159	Re: A different kind of feeling I'm with you, this loss don't really hurt me as bad as others for a number of reasons. It's weird, cause I absolutely hate Minnesota with a passion but find myself humbled by them and feeling like they deserve 100% credit. 2017 hurt cause it was a fluke play and we really had them beat. I don't think we beat Philly the next week though. It also hurt badly cause it was the Vikings who have a history of beating us like that. 2018 hurt cause it was a brutal realization that Bress' window was most likely closed for good. I have long said on here that I was not confident about playing the Pats in the SB and still am not. There was something about the way 2018 ended though, that was foreshadowing that we were most likely going to lose. Unfortunately, we got the stupid non-call and it distracted 90% of fans from the hard truth, which was that something was really wrong with that team towards the end of the year. I think one of the key problems with this years Saints team is that they turned victimhood into their identity. All year long, all you heard about was that stupid non-call. No one on this team wanted to take responsibility for the NFCCG loss. Payton wanted rules changed, we spent months wasting our time on this. No one said "hey, we blew a 13-0 and 20-10 loss, we need to get our act together and finish games". We became "that team who got robbed". Instead of taking accountability for that loss and responsibly trying to overcome our mistakes, they just wanted everyone to basically feel sorry for them. That's not how the NFL works. No one feels pity for us anymore and you know what? No one should. It's become our identity now to be victims and whine about refs all the time. We should be criticizing our coach, defensive coordinator, GM and even our quarterback for playing poorly in the post season. The Saints for the past 3 years have come to really reminds me of the Jim Harbaugh 49ers. If anyone remembers, they were the SB contender who always fell short like us. Harbaugh would go off on childish temper tantrums at the refs over stuff, and YES, the 49ers had bad calls go against them - In 2011, it was the refs blowing the whistle on a fumble by Brandon Jacobs. The Giants went on to beat them in OT. This one bad call though distracted their fans from the fact that the Niners couldn't close the door on the Giants and allowed them to hang around in the game all day. You could also throw in what they complained about with a non-call on targeting the punt returner's head. That's the guy who fumbled twice, sealing the game for the Giants with his second fumble in OT. In 2012 there was the egregious PI non-call on Crabtree in the SB on their last drive. This distracted everyone from the fact that they only got to the 5 yard line cause Frank Gore broke off a 20+ yard run, then Harbaugh called 4 pass plays rather than giving the ball back to Gore and trying to punch it in. Also makes everyone forget the fact that they were getting crushed in a hilarious blowout until the power went out for a while and that sparked some life into them. In 2013, Niners fans long screamed about getting a roughing the passer call from a sack/fumble on Brees and us beating them. That cost them home field advantage apparently... they went into Seattle and had to deal with a number of missed non-calls and bad officiating in general. Like their other losses though, this distracted them from other reasons they lost. Namely Kaepernick played like trash in that game and like us with the NFCCG last year, they had a chance to win in the end and he threw a pick. All in all though, the bad calls and officiating was a major distraction from the fact that those 49ers teams were really missing something... kinda like how the 2017, 2018 and 2019 Saints were all missing something too. Fans focus on the refs cause they don't want to look at the bigger picture. Those Niners teams were good, but in all 3 of those years, they were clearly missing something. The same can be said for these Saints teams. I never felt they were truly going to win it all in any of these 3 years. They all peaked in November and went into the playoffs missing something. dizzle88 likes this.

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