2020 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints

AsylumGuido · 03-25-2020, 04:09 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

Yeah not sure how I feel about it, Bell had a pro bowl level season at 25 years old (I think) and we let him go in favour of a 32 year old.

Yet what has killed us according to some was the lack of discipline in the secondary in the playoffs. Jenkins has those leadership qualities and 32 isn't old when we are in it to win it now. We brought in some veterans that helped us win it all in 2009-10. Maybe we need the same input today.

ChrisXVI · 03-25-2020, 04:20 PM

Vonn Bell messed up. We offered him more but he big-timed us.

FinSaint · 03-25-2020, 04:48 PM

I feel sorry for him, even Burrow can't save that dumpsterfire

rezburna · 03-25-2020, 05:12 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

Yeah not sure how I feel about it, Bell had a pro bowl level season at 25 years old (I think) and we let him go in favour of a 32 year old.

He didn’t grade out as a Pro Bowl level safety. He finished with a 64.6.

Jamal Adams was the SS for the AFC. He had an 88.2.

Harrison Smith was the NFC guy. 89.8

Bell wasn’t anywhere near that ball park. Malcolm Jenkins ended up with a 68.6. Not particularly great either, but better than Bell. CJG had a 72.6 though. Now that’s what I call an ascending young player.

These grades aren’t everything, but they do tend to tell a pretty good story.

ChrisXVI · 03-25-2020, 05:13 PM

On the plus side, the Vonn Bell signing should net us a 6th round comp pick. So that makes a 3rd rounder for Bridgewater and 6th for Bell!

AsylumGuido · 03-25-2020, 06:08 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

He didn’t grade out as a Pro Bowl level safety. He finished with a 64.6.

Jamal Adams was the SS for the AFC. He had an 88.2.

Harrison Smith was the NFC guy. 89.8

Bell wasn’t anywhere near that ball park. Malcolm Jenkins ended up with a 68.6. Not particularly great either, but better than Bell. CJG had a 72.6 though. Now that’s what I call an ascending young player.

These grades aren’t everything, but they do tend to tell a pretty good story.

No fair. You are using inductive thinking rather than incorrect facts.

halloween 65 · 03-25-2020, 07:14 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

https://twitter.com/miketriplett/sta...07385984884737

Vonn Bell messed up. We offered him more but he big-timed us.

That's the part that kills me.

RefsRobbedUs · 03-25-2020, 08:48 PM

You don’t take less to sign with a team like the Bengals. We offered him an amount and he declined because he thought he could get more. Saints didn’t have time so they signed Jenkins. Bell finally realizes he messed up and wasn’t worth more than what the Saints offered and has to sign for less with Cinci.

jeanpierre · 03-25-2020, 09:09 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Yet what has killed us according to some was the lack of discipline in the secondary in the playoffs. Jenkins has those leadership qualities and 32 isn't old when we are in it to win it now. We brought in some veterans that helped us win it all in 2009-10. Maybe we need the same input today.

To be fair, discipline will break down when you're req'd to cover longer than expected because the pass rush is on IR nearly every post-season...

Signing Onyemata was all about being available; we've got to get even more physical on that defensive line; we should be banging up their line, not the other way around...

Frisco flat out whipped us physically in our house last year, that can never happen again if we want to be taken seriously as contenders and not relegated to Mora Mediocrity...

lee909 · 03-26-2020, 12:39 AM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

On the plus side, the Vonn Bell signing should net us a 6th round comp pick. So that makes a 3rd rounder for Bridgewater and 6th for Bell!

Surely the Jenkins signing will wipe out anything for Bell

03-25-2020, 04:09 PM	#631
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Re: 2020 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints Originally Posted by dizzle88 Yeah not sure how I feel about it, Bell had a pro bowl level season at 25 years old (I think) and we let him go in favour of a 32 year old. Yet what has killed us according to some was the lack of discipline in the secondary in the playoffs. Jenkins has those leadership qualities and 32 isn't old when we are in it to win it now. We brought in some veterans that helped us win it all in 2009-10. Maybe we need the same input today.

03-25-2020, 04:20 PM	#632
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: 2020 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints Twitter Vonn Bell messed up. We offered him more but he big-timed us.

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rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,903	Re: 2020 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints Originally Posted by dizzle88 Yeah not sure how I feel about it, Bell had a pro bowl level season at 25 years old (I think) and we let him go in favour of a 32 year old. He didn’t grade out as a Pro Bowl level safety. He finished with a 64.6. Jamal Adams was the SS for the AFC. He had an 88.2. Harrison Smith was the NFC guy. 89.8 Bell wasn’t anywhere near that ball park. Malcolm Jenkins ended up with a 68.6. Not particularly great either, but better than Bell. CJG had a 72.6 though. Now that’s what I call an ascending young player. These grades aren’t everything, but they do tend to tell a pretty good story. AsylumGuido and MarchingOn like this.

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ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: 2020 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints On the plus side, the Vonn Bell signing should net us a 6th round comp pick. So that makes a 3rd rounder for Bridgewater and 6th for Bell!

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03-25-2020, 06:08 PM	#636
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Re: 2020 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints Originally Posted by rezburna He didn’t grade out as a Pro Bowl level safety. He finished with a 64.6. Jamal Adams was the SS for the AFC. He had an 88.2. Harrison Smith was the NFC guy. 89.8 Bell wasn’t anywhere near that ball park. Malcolm Jenkins ended up with a 68.6. Not particularly great either, but better than Bell. CJG had a 72.6 though. Now that’s what I call an ascending young player. These grades aren’t everything, but they do tend to tell a pretty good story. No fair. You are using inductive thinking rather than incorrect facts.

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halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: 2020 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints Originally Posted by ChrisXVI https://twitter.com/miketriplett/sta...07385984884737 Vonn Bell messed up. We offered him more but he big-timed us. That's the part that kills me.

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RefsRobbedUs 500th Post Join Date: Jan 2019 Posts: 659	Re: 2020 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints You don’t take less to sign with a team like the Bengals. We offered him an amount and he declined because he thought he could get more. Saints didn’t have time so they signed Jenkins. Bell finally realizes he messed up and wasn’t worth more than what the Saints offered and has to sign for less with Cinci.
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03-25-2020, 09:09 PM	#639
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2020 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Yet what has killed us according to some was the lack of discipline in the secondary in the playoffs. Jenkins has those leadership qualities and 32 isn't old when we are in it to win it now. We brought in some veterans that helped us win it all in 2009-10. Maybe we need the same input today. To be fair, discipline will break down when you're req'd to cover longer than expected because the pass rush is on IR nearly every post-season... Signing Onyemata was all about being available; we've got to get even more physical on that defensive line; we should be banging up their line, not the other way around... Frisco flat out whipped us physically in our house last year, that can never happen again if we want to be taken seriously as contenders and not relegated to Mora Mediocrity... AsylumGuido likes this.
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03-26-2020, 12:39 AM	#640
lee909 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,803 Blog Entries: 1	Re: 2020 NFL Free Agency: New Orleans Saints Originally Posted by ChrisXVI On the plus side, the Vonn Bell signing should net us a 6th round comp pick. So that makes a 3rd rounder for Bridgewater and 6th for Bell! Surely the Jenkins signing will wipe out anything for Bell