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WhoDat!656 01-09-2020 06:43 AM

Janoris Jenkins hopes to stay in New Orleans
 
Jenkins, who was dropped by the Giants after using offensive language on social media, said he hopes that the Saints will do something that ensures he’ll stick around New Orleans.

“That’s my plan,” Jenkins said, via NOLA.com. “I’d love to see that. Business is business. They control what goes on. I’m just happy to be here and hope I can stay.”

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...n-new-orleans/

halloween 65 01-09-2020 06:49 AM

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He has been good.

MatthewT 01-09-2020 07:12 AM

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I would honestly like to see both Jenkins and Apple stick around. I know a lot of people are down on Apple right now, but he was actually very good until he started getting banged up physically.

K Major 01-09-2020 07:15 AM

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Janoris is an above avg corner that locked down and frustrated Diggs for 4 quarters. We need more guys in the secondary who can cover on a consistent basis.

I hope Loomis is Loomising.

ChrisXVI 01-09-2020 07:24 AM

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Definitely worth extending him and knocking down 2020’s cap number. Age is a factor though.

Crusader 01-09-2020 07:59 AM

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Originally Posted by MatthewT (Post 876559)
I would honestly like to see both Jenkins and Apple stick around. I know a lot of people are down on Apple right now, but he was actually very good until he started getting banged up physically.

I agree. And he is still young and has room to improve.

Rsanders24 01-09-2020 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by MatthewT (Post 876559)
I would honestly like to see both Jenkins and Apple stick around. I know a lot of people are down on Apple right now, but he was actually very good until he started getting banged up physically.

I like this. A lot of people don’t realize how much your technique suffers when you have lower body injuries when playing CB. You start relying on other things which lead to penalties. If Loomis can figure out how to make it work we would be in pretty good shape at CB.

On a side note, I said a year or two ago that I would like to see PJ Williams move to safety. He has a good understanding of what the defense is doing but is a little too grabby at time when in the slot. The time he spent playing there this season was pretty good. I wish they would have done more of that during the season.

Lord_Saint83 01-09-2020 09:16 AM

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I want Jackrabbit to stay. The man is a turnover machine and has good coverage skills for a guy his age

K Major 01-09-2020 09:24 AM

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IIRC Janoris is under contract (11.5M) for 2020 since we claimed him off NY deal on waivers. Saints could pick that up.

I could live without APPLE though.

foreverfan 01-09-2020 10:37 AM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 876571)
IIRC Janoris is under contract (11.5M) for 2020 since we claimed him off NY deal on waivers. Saints could pick that up.

I could live without APPLE though.

The question becomes what can we afford after we resign Brees.

K Major 01-09-2020 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by foreverfan (Post 876576)
The question becomes what can we afford after we resign Brees.

Loomis is one of the best as it pertains to the cap.

I wouldn't even worry. If it makes sense, he'll get it done.

blackangold 01-09-2020 11:18 AM

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Apple and Robinson will go, I think Bell and PJ walk too. Likely that JJ stays and restructures his deal. We will need a slot CB and put CGJ in at SS.

Rugby Saint II 01-09-2020 11:26 AM

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He plays well but his character doesn't seem to mesh with authority. Buyer beware!

The Dude 01-09-2020 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by MatthewT (Post 876559)
I would honestly like to see both Jenkins and Apple stick around. I know a lot of people are down on Apple right now, but he was actually very good until he started getting banged up physically.

I agree. Like Kamara Apple played almost elite football until his injury.
Dude was hurt the last half season.

K Major 01-09-2020 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by blackangold (Post 876580)
Apple and Robinson will go, I think Bell and PJ walk too. Likely that JJ stays and restructures his deal. We will need a slot CB and put CGJ in at SS.

IMO potentially losing Bell to FA would be big.

I actually like the thought of CGJ at Free Safety. Marcus Williams seems to be late a lot & we're giving up too many bombs to kill us in games late. After 3 consecutive years, that non sense has gotta stop.

He's also a poor tackler. Not the guy I want as my last line of defense.

TheOak 01-09-2020 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 876571)
IIRC Janoris is under contract (11.5M) for 2020 since we claimed him off NY deal on waivers. Saints could pick that up.

I could live without APPLE though.


Okay.. whew, I am not the only one. I sort of remember things differently about Apple.

As I recall, Apple didn't look like crap until Lattimore was injured and he had to take on #1s.

Apple knee injury Oct 21st (at least we were told he hurt his knee and he looked that way hobbling for the game but was just fine next week.) Then we were told it was an ankle... Odd injury migration:chug:.

blackangold 01-09-2020 12:59 PM

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Would like to keep Bell and agree with others on Marcus (he sucks), but I think it’s going to be either Bell or Jenkins and I would rather have Jenkins.

Audiotom 01-09-2020 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 876581)
He plays well but his character doesn't seem to mesh with authority. Buyer beware!

That is a retarded remark

FinSaint 01-09-2020 02:00 PM

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Originally Posted by blackangold (Post 876593)
Would like to keep Bell and agree with others on Marcus (he sucks), but I think it’s going to be either Bell or Jenkins and I would rather have Jenkins.

Is it Marcus or the scheme aka Allen?

blackangold 01-09-2020 02:12 PM

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Originally Posted by FinSaint (Post 876597)
Is it Marcus or the scheme aka Allen?

I don't think Allen's scheme is to not tackle or to grab a facemask in critical game moments, but I could be wrong...

FinSaint 01-09-2020 02:16 PM

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Originally Posted by blackangold (Post 876598)
I don't think Allen's scheme is to not tackle or to grab a facemask in critical game moments, but I could be wrong...

I wouldn't put it past him... :D

No, but seriously, I mainly meant positioning.

blackangold 01-09-2020 02:23 PM

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Originally Posted by FinSaint (Post 876599)
I wouldn't put it past him... :D

No, but seriously, I mainly meant positioning.

lol

Perhaps, of course as fans we never really know if someone is in the right position or not. For his individual efforts is how I try to judge him.

Does he drop INTs that should be made? No
Does he miss tackles? Yes
Does he let WRs get deep? Yes (he rarely seems to be in position, maybe scheme)
Does he make bad plays in critical moments? Yes

He just seems very average 95% of the time, but can be counted on to fail when needed most. That's just my opinion, unfortunately I think Allen and Payton like him so doubt anything changes.

K Major 01-09-2020 02:31 PM

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Originally Posted by FinSaint (Post 876599)
I wouldn't put it past him... :D

No, but seriously, I mainly meant positioning.

Mixed bag for me but you cannot give up 40+ yard bombs in overtime in the playoffs with the game on the line w/Marcus being LATE to defend. If Williams isn't capable, quit playing single high.

These deep ball meltdowns are happening far too often.

K Major 01-09-2020 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by blackangold (Post 876600)
He just seems very average 95% of the time, but can be counted on to fail when needed most. That's just my opinion, unfortunately I think Allen and Payton like him so doubt anything changes.

If that is truly their theory, shame on us and we'll continue to take L's in the playoffs.

dizzle88 01-09-2020 03:41 PM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 876602)
If that is truly their theory, shame on us and we'll continue to take L's in the playoffs.

That's the thing about Payton that annoys me. He's far too stubborn to admit our deficiencies, which is why we fail every year in the playoffs.

He proved earlier when Teddy was QB, that run game and D will win us games. Then proceeds to keep Murray on the sideline when he had something to prove, and put the ball in Brees' hands when it was obvious he was intimidated / rattled.

Not addressing WR in the draft was my first realisation that this year was going to end in a similar fashion.

halloween 65 01-09-2020 06:09 PM

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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 876601)
Mixed bag for me but you cannot give up 40+ yard bombs in overtime in the playoffs with the game on the line w/Marcus being LATE to defend. If Williams isn't capable, quit playing single high.

These deep ball meltdowns are happening far too often.

You bring up a good point about playing single high. I would love to finally get a FS that can. We don't have 1. Would take alot off of the cb.'s. If Lattimore can man up and Jenkins man up throwing deep would get tricky with a good FS. Bell shore up the SS spot and CJG on slot coild make for a great backfield. I also keep Apple, hard to find a reliever as good when healthy.

darksoul35 01-09-2020 07:18 PM

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Lets not forget about the D-line. Cousins rarely had pressure and the injuries on the line definitely affected our run D. DBs choked but the line is far from getting a pass.

Rugby Saint II 01-11-2020 01:18 PM

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I'm a little worried about his character and any distractions that he may cause. However, he sure looked good in coverage. He's kinda' pricey though.

vpheughan 01-11-2020 04:29 PM

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He's kinda' pricey though.


Heard the same about TB. What's 5-0 as a starter worth?

K Major 01-19-2020 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 876817)
I'm a little worried about his character and any distractions that he may cause. However, he sure looked good in coverage. He's kinda' pricey though.

Janoris is an experienced, smart and crafty cornerback with elite skills.

In the short time he was in New Orleans, he played wonderful in the game that mattered most. Totally frustrated S Diggs for 4 quarters.

I believe either Janoris or Eli (his play fell off a cliff post Chicago game) will be back but not both. Teams sure picked (Ridley, Emmanuel Sanders and DJ Moore) on Eli late in the season ... apparently they saw a weakness in the secondary and exploited it.

Give me Jack Rabbit.

RefsRobbedUs 01-19-2020 05:53 PM

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Mike McKenzie type signing

Crusader 01-20-2020 02:38 AM

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Originally Posted by RefsRobbedUs (Post 877676)
Mike McKenzie type signing

But with more left in the tank.

TheOak 01-20-2020 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by foreverfan (Post 876576)
The question becomes what can we afford after we resign Brees.

Are you asking that because we always do or because you know something.


Drew's $25MM/Year is not in the top 10 for QBs. He is behind Stafford and Carr.

Right now we have 12MM in cap space ad no reason to think Drew will want more than the 20-25MM he has been getting for years.

K Major 01-20-2020 01:35 PM

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If anyone goes back and watches the Vikings playoff game, it's easy to see that Janoris gives us that ball hawking skill we just hadn't see all that much at the CB position & creates turnovers. A legitimate ball hawk who was very good in a short stint for New Orleans.

Giants sucked as a ball club yet Jack Rabbit still had 5 ints.

Finding consistent/solid corners is hard to do. I hope he's extended.

AsylumGuido 01-20-2020 02:25 PM

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Originally Posted by TheOak (Post 877773)
Are you asking that because we always do or because you know something.


Drew's $25MM/Year is not in the top 10 for QBs. He is behind Stafford and Carr.

Right now we have 12MM in cap space ad no reason to think Drew will want more than the 20-25MM he has been getting for years.

We will actually have more cap space available if we do re-sign Brees as it will undoubtedly include a restructure of the $21.3 million he is currently counting against the 2020 cap from the voidable portion of his last contract.

TheOak 01-20-2020 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 877792)
We will actually have more cap space available if we do re-sign Brees as it will undoubtedly include a restructure of the $21.3 million he is currently counting against the 2020 cap from the voidable portion of his last contract.

Oh I get that also Guido. Loomis has proven repeatedly that there is no such thing as a finite number yet we knee jerkingly always assume we know what a new year and contract will bring.

I know everyone else likes Overthecap but I prefer Spotrac with the restructure/cut/trade features to model cap space.

There is so much that can be done with our roster to make cap room.
https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/tools/ro...s-saints/2020/

saintsfan1976 01-20-2020 07:34 PM

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So far we've got $22MM on the books for 3 CBs in 2020. Lattimore ($5), Jenkins ($11) and Robinson ($6). Loomis is facing an uphill battle to keep our secondary intact.

I'd like to have Apple back for under $5MM, rework PRob (or PJ) and add Mike Hilton from the Steelers.

Vonn Bell. What yall say?

shawnkytonk 01-20-2020 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 877808)
So far we've got $22MM on the books for 3 CBs in 2020. Lattimore ($5), Jenkins ($11) and Robinson ($6). Loomis is facing an uphill battle to keep our secondary intact.

I'd like to have Apple back for under $5MM, rework PRob (or PJ) and add Mike Hilton from the Steelers.

Vonn Bell. What yall say?

I for one definitely want to see Bell back. I'll take PRob over PJ. Apple will be too expensive I'm afraid.

K Major 01-20-2020 09:28 PM

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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 877808)
So far we've got $22MM on the books for 3 CBs in 2020. Lattimore ($5), Jenkins ($11) and Robinson ($6). Loomis is facing an uphill battle to keep our secondary intact.

I'd like to have Apple back for under $5MM, rework PRob (or PJ) and add Mike Hilton from the Steelers.

Vonn Bell. What yall say?

I remember when the Saints let Malcolm Jenkins walk, he was playing really poorly. No one was surprised. Jenkins himself said it was a wake up call he needed to resurrect his career back on track.

Vonn Bell is the complete opposite. Basically he's lightning it up at his position.

IMO letting him walk would be stunning. I hope VB remains in New Orleans.

jeanpierre 01-21-2020 12:29 AM

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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 877808)
So far we've got $22MM on the books for 3 CBs in 2020. Lattimore ($5), Jenkins ($11) and Robinson ($6). Loomis is facing an uphill battle to keep our secondary intact.

I'd like to have Apple back for under $5MM, rework PRob (or PJ) and add Mike Hilton from the Steelers.

Vonn Bell. What yall say?


Gardner may have made Vonn Bell expendable, and I'll circle back to that situation...

This is how I see where it starts with the secondary...

Lattimore and Jenkins are under contract, and they'd be a great foundation for the secondary...

Mr. Marcus, despite an infamous play, has graded well and does a solid job of ball hawking, and he's still under his rookie contract...

Now the SS - Bell or Gardner? Despite taking for ever to develop, Bell has rounded into a solid SS, but what will it cost to keep a SS?

Remember, next year we'll likely have to extend Lattimore and he'll want Top 5 CB money, even though he's had lapses the apex predators don't have...

So we could simply roll into next season with what we have in the secondary now under contract:

CB1 Marshon Lattimore
CB2 Janoris Jenkins
SS C.J. Gardner
FS Marcus Williams
NCB Patrick Robinson

Now P. Rob was obviously not healthy, still; but is some of this age as well? P Rob has a 2020 cap number of $6.15mil, cut Pre-Jun, he frees up $3.65mil...

If you release P. Rob, you have 3.65 that you could use in your secondary...

Jenkins had a very small sample size of playing with us, encouraging, but he did have Kirk Cousins QB against him; Jenkins' cap number is $11.25mil, released, we'd get all that back...

Then there's Eli Apple, who'd progressed and played very well until the Chicago game, when he regressed and fans turned on him in turn...

I see three scenarios

Restructure Jenkins, re-sign Vonn Bell, understanding you're not likely keeping Mr. Marcus next season as you'll have to pay Lattimore...

Promote Gardner to SS, either release P. Rob and re-sign P.J. Williams (who can play FS in a pinch) or an equivalent NB to replace the Gardner move...

Release Jenkins, get a cap friendlier No. 2 CB, re-sign Vonn Bell, have money to extend Lattimore, maybe Mr. Marcus as well...

Lot of moving parts here...


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