Is Drew Brees holding the saints hostage?

blackangold · 01-20-2020, 11:29 AM

Reality is...

We will only be able to bring one of our QBs back. Think about the future, not just the next season and tell me which one you want to have?

Some team is going to take a shot on Hill as a starter, he is getting 10-15m a year. Teddy is getting 20+ from another team, same with Brees. So, due to our cap issues we can only afford to keep one.

AsylumGuido · 01-20-2020, 02:22 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

Reality is...

We will only be able to bring one of our QBs back. Think about the future, not just the next season and tell me which one you want to have?

Some team is going to take a shot on Hill as a starter, he is getting 10-15m a year. Teddy is getting 20+ from another team, same with Brees. So, due to our cap issues we can only afford to keep one.

First of all, Brees will still be a better all round QB than either of the other two three years from now ... in my opinion. That said, you must understand that the cap is fluid. We can easily retain two of the three. Currently Brees is counting $21.3 million against the 2020 cap even though he is not under contract. That figure can, and will, be lowered by as much as 2/3rds with a new contract with voidable future years. The final cap ceiling has yet to be finalized, but it should be north of $200 million and the Saints have an additional $3+ million rollover from 2019.

blackangold · 01-20-2020, 03:20 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

First of all, Brees will still be a better all round QB than either of the other two three years from now ... in my opinion. That said, you must understand that the cap is fluid. We can easily retain two of the three. Currently Brees is counting $21.3 million against the 2020 cap even though he is not under contract. That figure can, and will, be lowered by as much as 2/3rds with a new contract with voidable future years. The final cap ceiling has yet to be finalized, but it should be north of $200 million and the Saints have an additional $3+ million rollover from 2019.

Sure, you can kick the can down the road, I assumed that will happen should Drew come back, it's just another poisoned contract but get you by 2020.

However even with that extension for Drew the cap is still extremely tight and with all of the holes we have paying 15m per year for a backup QB isn't likely to happen.

I don't agree with Drew being better 3 years from now, but we've gone down that road. No one is changing their minds on Drew now. To be clear you would rather have Brees and see the other two playing elsewhere.

AsylumGuido · 01-20-2020, 03:56 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

Sure, you can kick the can down the road, I assumed that will happen should Drew come back, it's just another poisoned contract but get you by 2020.

However even with that extension for Drew the cap is still extremely tight and with all of the holes we have paying 15m per year for a backup QB isn't likely to happen.

I don't agree with Drew being better 3 years from now, but we've gone down that road. No one is changing their minds on Drew now. To be clear you would rather have Brees and see the other two playing elsewhere.

Yes. Definitely. Given the choice of only one it would absolutely without any doubt be Brees.

And the cap isn't near as tight as you are implying. When the cap was truly tight we were routinely going into the new year projected to be well OVER the cap prior to contract adjustments.

halloween 65 · 01-20-2020, 04:07 PM

If Brees is resigned he needs to do away with the no trade clause. If he want it does hold the Saints hostage. Brees days are numbered with his age alone it's just a matter of how soon. If (and it's a huge if) he plays 3 more years (which the duck ball will be in play) Paytons going to have to change in his schemes and I don't see that happening. If Brees plays this will be his last year here or Paytons riding this team into the ground.

AsylumGuido · 01-20-2020, 04:18 PM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

If Brees is resigned he needs to do away with the no trade clause. If he want it does hold the Saints hostage. Brees days are numbered with his age alone it's just a matter of how soon. If (and it's a huge if) he plays 3 more years (which the duck ball will be in play) Paytons going to have to change in his schemes and I don't see that happening. If Brees plays this will be his last year here or Paytons riding this team into the ground.

This next contract, like the last, will be a multi-year with the future years being voidable so a trade, unless during the season, wouldn't be possible anyway. But, the no trade clause will be a given. As little as some around here feel about Brees, I'll guarantee you that the Saints want him around.

Rsanders24 · 01-20-2020, 05:12 PM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

If Brees is resigned he needs to do away with the no trade clause. If he want it does hold the Saints hostage. Brees days are numbered with his age alone it's just a matter of how soon. If (and it's a huge if) he plays 3 more years (which the duck ball will be in play) Paytons going to have to change in his schemes and I don't see that happening. If Brees plays this will be his last year here or Paytons riding this team into the ground.

That’s not going to happen...first, he will most likely sign another one year deal so it negates any trade leverage that we would have anyway. Secondly, they are going to resign him if he wants to play and we need him to comeback for one more season so that we aren’t stuck in Cap Hell with key young players due extensions.

So to summarize all of this, Brees will be our starting QB next season unless he retires, regardless if you feel he gives us the best chance to win.

Rsanders24 · 01-20-2020, 05:14 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

This next contract, like the last, will be a multi-year with the future years being voidable so a trade, unless during the season, wouldn't be possible anyway. But, the no trade clause will be a given. As little as some around here feel about Brees, I'll guarantee you that the Saints want him around.

Yep. So basically another one year deal.

halloween 65 · 01-20-2020, 05:19 PM

I get it but it's still being held hostage. The dead money will be there this season and next even signing a new deal. Just a little lower.

TheOak · 01-20-2020, 07:07 PM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

I get it but it's still being held hostage. The dead money will be there this season and next even signing a new deal. Just a little lower.

No, you don't get it, and many others commenting do not get it.

Drew is not holding anyone hostage. Is is not Drew Brees wanting Loomis to have 2020 in the contract, It is Loomis putting 2020 in to make cap space to sign Bridgewater.

The restructure to have 2020 in Drew's contract was Mickey ****ing Loomis.

Drew wants two things. 1. To play for the Saints. 2. To live in New Orleans.

We can be a fairly ****ed up fan base at times. We blame refs for our losses, we blame a QB for the structure of a contract, seems like we thoroughly enjoy playing the perpetual victim.

01-20-2020, 11:29 AM	#71
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Is Drew Brees holding the saints hostage? Reality is... We will only be able to bring one of our QBs back. Think about the future, not just the next season and tell me which one you want to have? Some team is going to take a shot on Hill as a starter, he is getting 10-15m a year. Teddy is getting 20+ from another team, same with Brees. So, due to our cap issues we can only afford to keep one. OldMaid likes this.

01-20-2020, 02:22 PM	#72
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,720	Re: Is Drew Brees holding the saints hostage? Originally Posted by blackangold Reality is... We will only be able to bring one of our QBs back. Think about the future, not just the next season and tell me which one you want to have? Some team is going to take a shot on Hill as a starter, he is getting 10-15m a year. Teddy is getting 20+ from another team, same with Brees. So, due to our cap issues we can only afford to keep one. First of all, Brees will still be a better all round QB than either of the other two three years from now ... in my opinion. That said, you must understand that the cap is fluid. We can easily retain two of the three. Currently Brees is counting $21.3 million against the 2020 cap even though he is not under contract. That figure can, and will, be lowered by as much as 2/3rds with a new contract with voidable future years. The final cap ceiling has yet to be finalized, but it should be north of $200 million and the Saints have an additional $3+ million rollover from 2019. skymike and RaginCajun83 like this.
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01-20-2020, 03:20 PM	#73
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Is Drew Brees holding the saints hostage? Originally Posted by AsylumGuido First of all, Brees will still be a better all round QB than either of the other two three years from now ... in my opinion. That said, you must understand that the cap is fluid. We can easily retain two of the three. Currently Brees is counting $21.3 million against the 2020 cap even though he is not under contract. That figure can, and will, be lowered by as much as 2/3rds with a new contract with voidable future years. The final cap ceiling has yet to be finalized, but it should be north of $200 million and the Saints have an additional $3+ million rollover from 2019. Sure, you can kick the can down the road, I assumed that will happen should Drew come back, it's just another poisoned contract but get you by 2020. However even with that extension for Drew the cap is still extremely tight and with all of the holes we have paying 15m per year for a backup QB isn't likely to happen. I don't agree with Drew being better 3 years from now, but we've gone down that road. No one is changing their minds on Drew now. To be clear you would rather have Brees and see the other two playing elsewhere.
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01-20-2020, 03:56 PM	#74
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,720	Re: Is Drew Brees holding the saints hostage? Originally Posted by blackangold Sure, you can kick the can down the road, I assumed that will happen should Drew come back, it's just another poisoned contract but get you by 2020. However even with that extension for Drew the cap is still extremely tight and with all of the holes we have paying 15m per year for a backup QB isn't likely to happen. I don't agree with Drew being better 3 years from now, but we've gone down that road. No one is changing their minds on Drew now. To be clear you would rather have Brees and see the other two playing elsewhere. Yes. Definitely. Given the choice of only one it would absolutely without any doubt be Brees. And the cap isn't near as tight as you are implying. When the cap was truly tight we were routinely going into the new year projected to be well OVER the cap prior to contract adjustments.

01-20-2020, 04:07 PM	#75
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Is Drew Brees holding the saints hostage? If Brees is resigned he needs to do away with the no trade clause. If he want it does hold the Saints hostage. Brees days are numbered with his age alone it's just a matter of how soon. If (and it's a huge if) he plays 3 more years (which the duck ball will be in play) Paytons going to have to change in his schemes and I don't see that happening. If Brees plays this will be his last year here or Paytons riding this team into the ground.

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01-20-2020, 04:18 PM	#76
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,720	Re: Is Drew Brees holding the saints hostage? Originally Posted by halloween 65 If Brees is resigned he needs to do away with the no trade clause. If he want it does hold the Saints hostage. Brees days are numbered with his age alone it's just a matter of how soon. If (and it's a huge if) he plays 3 more years (which the duck ball will be in play) Paytons going to have to change in his schemes and I don't see that happening. If Brees plays this will be his last year here or Paytons riding this team into the ground. This next contract, like the last, will be a multi-year with the future years being voidable so a trade, unless during the season, wouldn't be possible anyway. But, the no trade clause will be a given. As little as some around here feel about Brees, I'll guarantee you that the Saints want him around. Rsanders24 likes this.

01-20-2020, 05:12 PM	#77
Rsanders24 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Baton Rouge, LA. Posts: 1,493	Re: Is Drew Brees holding the saints hostage? Originally Posted by halloween 65 If Brees is resigned he needs to do away with the no trade clause. If he want it does hold the Saints hostage. Brees days are numbered with his age alone it's just a matter of how soon. If (and it's a huge if) he plays 3 more years (which the duck ball will be in play) Paytons going to have to change in his schemes and I don't see that happening. If Brees plays this will be his last year here or Paytons riding this team into the ground. That’s not going to happen...first, he will most likely sign another one year deal so it negates any trade leverage that we would have anyway. Secondly, they are going to resign him if he wants to play and we need him to comeback for one more season so that we aren’t stuck in Cap Hell with key young players due extensions. So to summarize all of this, Brees will be our starting QB next season unless he retires, regardless if you feel he gives us the best chance to win. SaintGnome likes this.

01-20-2020, 05:14 PM	#78
Rsanders24 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Baton Rouge, LA. Posts: 1,493	Re: Is Drew Brees holding the saints hostage? Originally Posted by AsylumGuido This next contract, like the last, will be a multi-year with the future years being voidable so a trade, unless during the season, wouldn't be possible anyway. But, the no trade clause will be a given. As little as some around here feel about Brees, I'll guarantee you that the Saints want him around. Yep. So basically another one year deal.

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halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Is Drew Brees holding the saints hostage? I get it but it's still being held hostage. The dead money will be there this season and next even signing a new deal. Just a little lower.

01-20-2020, 07:07 PM	#80
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,051	Re: Is Drew Brees holding the saints hostage? Originally Posted by halloween 65 I get it but it's still being held hostage. The dead money will be there this season and next even signing a new deal. Just a little lower. No, you don't get it, and many others commenting do not get it. Drew is not holding anyone hostage. Is is not Drew Brees wanting Loomis to have 2020 in the contract, It is Loomis putting 2020 in to make cap space to sign Bridgewater. The restructure to have 2020 in Drew's contract was Mickey **ing Loomis. Drew wants two things. 1. To play for the Saints. 2. To live in New Orleans. We can be a fairly **ed up fan base at times. We blame refs for our losses, we blame a QB for the structure of a contract, seems like we thoroughly enjoy playing the perpetual victim. skymike likes this.
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