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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I have to call you out on this one, K. In fact, it completely supports my take. In the Chiefs first four possessions they had six running plays and 23 passing plays and one of those ...

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Old 01-21-2020, 04:39 PM   #1
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Re: Is Drew Brees holding the saints hostage?

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I have to call you out on this one, K. In fact, it completely supports my take. In the Chiefs first four possessions they had six running plays and 23 passing plays and one of those six running plays was Mahomes' 27 yard scramble for the TD and their first lead at 21-17. It wasn't until they had gained the lead that they were able to commit to the run. Nineteen of their 27 total running plays came in the final three possessions with the lead.

They got behind early and their running game was not working so they went strictly to the pass until they were able to regain the lead. What would have happened had they NOT regained the lead? Chances are they would have continued to try to catch up via the pass and if that was not successful they would have lost with less than ten rushing attempts. Was their potential loss because they ran the ball fewer than ten times? Or was the fact that they were not able to regain the lead that led to their potentially running the ball fewer than ten times?


But they were able to pass and do so effectively because tennessee was only sending three and they were average to below average pass rushers. Minnesota was a different story, they have a really good four man rush. Idk what Pees was thinking but any good qb will torch you doing that. So mahomes didn't have to worry about tennessee pinning their ears back cause basically they were playing prevent damn near and we all know what prevent does.
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Old 01-21-2020, 04:58 PM   #2
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Re: Is Drew Brees holding the saints hostage?

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But they were able to pass and do so effectively because tennessee was only sending three and they were average to below average pass rushers. Minnesota was a different story, they have a really good four man rush. Idk what Pees was thinking but any good qb will torch you doing that. So mahomes didn't have to worry about tennessee pinning their ears back cause basically they were playing prevent damn near and we all know what prevent does.
I wasn't referring as much to the Vikings game as I was to the 42 lost games in Saints history with fewer than 15 rushing attempts as brought up by K_Major. Sometimes the flow of the game dictates what you can try. Total rushing attempts is game situation produced, not the other way around. Abandoning a running game does not create a loss. Being unable to maintain drives via the run and getting behind can force the need to pass and can still result in a loss.
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Old 01-22-2020, 04:24 AM   #3
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Re: Is Drew Brees holding the saints hostage?

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I wasn't referring as much to the Vikings game as I was to the 42 lost games in Saints history with fewer than 15 rushing attempts as brought up by K_Major. Sometimes the flow of the game dictates what you can try. Total rushing attempts is game situation produced, not the other way around. Abandoning a running game does not create a loss. Being unable to maintain drives via the run and getting behind can force the need to pass and can still result in a loss.
Guido.... correlation not equaling causation discussions are a lost cause, I have tried beating that dead horse. Some people don't search for answers, they seek out rationalization to justify their feels.


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Stats with rationalization =

Here is a player, his stats, and a fun rationalization.
2019 Regular Season Stats
Eli Apple: 4 passes defended, 0 interceptions
Shy Tuttle: 4 Passes defended, 1 interception

Shy Tuttle should be playing CB instead of Eli Apple.
Stats can be a dangerous thing in the wrong hands
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