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This just is not good.

No matter if it is CNN, Fox News , or AP running with this story.

I agree with Jay.

Just point blank, no.
N.O. Saints organization of Pr and legal people should not have been involved in this .
Bensons should have used people not employed in their sports franchise.

Next, because of their sports franchisees, they just should have not been involved in this.

Sorry church. I have no advice.

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But, in this instance, when heinous crimes are committed by predators of children, the demand of the public wanting immediate transparency would be genuine, albeit a rare genuine moment...

Where was all this "Public Demand" prior to this hitting the fan?

These allegations against the church weren't "born" with this story.

Where was the Public Outrage?

I'm curious as to how the "24" were able to obtain these "Emails" Is there a "Victims Support Clearing House"?

Call 1-800-IAM-TOOO and obtain all the "Evidence" you need!!

Think about it.

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Louisiana lawmakers wanted to pull state funding and tax breaks for the Saints because players kneeled for the national anthem lol.

Wonder if they’ll show one ounce of the same outrage over the team helping the church do PR.

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Mike knows of what he speaks. I was there dealing with the AP, as well. Did any of you even read the entire story, every story, non-AP, Saints response? Or did you just go off the AP written headline (title of this thread) that is totally misleading? All the emails have been turned over. It is up to the court to release any that have any real relevance. It's possible the Saints could even be held in contempt if they were to release material being considered as evidence.

Once again, AP = :bs:

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The "24" asked for the emails and were given them. Why don't THEY release them? Huh? I'll tell you why. They can't. And neither can the Saints unless the court says they can. It is all about protecting the innocent.

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They didn't help the church do PR according to their statement. Their organization was one of SEVERAL civic leaders that were asked their advice about how to handle the publicity. The Saints said all they did was to tell them to be open and transparent. What did all the OTHER civic leaders do or say? Why aren't they being racked over the coals? Huh? Because they wouldn't create as many Associated Press clicks based upon a headline.

That's why.

:rolleyes:

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It's because there is nothing to the story but a headline.

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There are those in this group who claim to know more about coaching in the NFL, running an NFL franchise all the way to being "Legal Eagles" as well as medical experts.

You are FAILING the admitted "just a fan" members of the the group and more importantly the community as a whole.

Stop "TALKING THE TALK" and start "WALKING THE WALK"

Prove you really are the Expert you claim to be or are you simply an EGGSPURT?

IF the upper management of the Saints organization was STUPID enough to have done what is claimed then they deserve what ever they get.

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I hope the Saints name is cleared but the reality is it won't be. It's awful regardless what is in the emails. Should have steered clear away from it; no help, no sympathy and no empathy.

The Church has been doing this for decades. They knew exactly what they were doing. Just like the Saints playbook they have their own playbook dealing with this perpetual problem. They don't even deal with problem, just bury it and move on.

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Did you read any of the articles? The whole thing is about the church releasing the list of all implicated priests and they asked civic leaders, including the Saints, about how to approach the release. The church didn't USE the Saints PR department or legal team. There was nothing being hidden. The Saints suggested the church be "open and transparent" about everything. The church did exactly that and released the full list.

The AP headline says the Saints are "shielding their emails". The Saints handed over all 276 requested emails to the plaintiff's lawyers. Are y'all not getting that? The whole point of the article is that the AP itself wants access to the emails. All concerned parties already have access. The AP does not have a right to private correspondence unless the court accepts it as pertinent evidence and at that point it would become public record.

Once again, the Saints are not "shielding" or "hiding" anything.

Be informed. This isn't directed solely at you, Beast, but to those that really do not understand what the AP is attempting.

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The Saints PR and legal people were reportedly not "used" in this. They were asked for their advice, along with other civic leaders, in the release of the list of priests and they simply suggested being "open and transparent".

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good point, S.

I still doubt any true crime on the Organization's part, but your solution would have prevented this from making any print in the first place.

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Be honest. Pretty simple advice.

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Yup.

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I hate to say who's going to come back into the orbit here if Gayle had a lot to do with this. Let's just hope the team stays in NO.

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Had a lot to do with what? What is "this"?

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You lost me at “The church has been completely cooperative “

If anyone asks you “hey I need advice on how to deal with this child diddling thing” you say no.
There is no circumstance where the answer is anything but no.

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I am not an idealist so there are some very shocking comments in here to say the least. This is a prosecutorial smear campaign and perpetuating it here in these forums only assists in the defamation of an entity that had no hand in the violation of a child.

Cover up = hiding evidence from authorities.
Advice on public affairs has zero to do with any cover up and zero to do with what happened.

The media has really misrepresented this:
- "hundreds of emails that allegedly show team executives doing public relations damage control for the area’s Roman Catholic archdiocese" Advising and performing the damage control are not the same thing, if the Saints were actively performing this accusation we would see it publicly.

- Attorneys for about two dozen men suing the church say in court filings that the 276 documents they obtained through discovery show that the NFL team, whose owner is devoutly Catholic, aided the Archdiocese of New Orleans in its “pattern and practice of concealing its crimes.” Aiding in covering up a crime and aiding in public relations are no where in the same space and I would counter sue for defamation. Limiting public exposure and fallout is not a crime


Here is the bottom line.. ALL 276 documents are in discovery and available to both the prosecution and defense. Absolutely nothing has been withheld from the DA going after the church. Wanting to publicly release the documents is nothing more than a smear campaign against the New Orleans Saints because someone is angry with the Church. Rightfully angry with the Catholic Church but not righteous in taking it out on a football team.

The public has zero right to evidence considered "False Light". If the Saints Organization committed no crime, they are afforded all privacy laws.

I absolutely can not speak to what it feels like to be a parent of a child that has been violated. I can say this however, I do know what it is like to be a friend to many kids that were violated by a priest and my mother had the good sense to not send her son to a Catholic priests private camp on the weekend. The Church is very complicit in enabling this to continue and they do shuffle offending priests around the nation. The church knew what Gilbert Gauthier was doing for seven years and did nothing but damage control until one parent demanded action and Nathan Stansbury prosecuted. Its not just the church however, a community wanted this to be handled quietly.

If you expect the devoutly religious to turn its back on their church in a time of need you are naive. No matter what has transpired they will rationalize that one bad person doesn't make the whole church bad.

I don't do organized religion or political parties they are the same...

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Amen brother. Preach on! :praise:

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Did you read what I wrote. The Church has a playbook dealing with it. Reach out to prominent organizations in the community. Act like they are at a loss and were blindsided when in fact they are not. They have been doing this fire drill a long time. Decades. They did the same thing here in Houston a while back. They did a segment with the most popular news channel and turned it into a pity party.

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Fine. I never argued the point that the Catholic church made many mistakes. But my point is that playbook does not include the Saints assisting in "hiding" or "shielding" information from authorities as some completely misinformed gather from headlines.

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Nothing there to investigate. This was all before the list of priests were released by the church back in November of 2018. All this is the Associated Press trying to create news instead of reporting it.

Status quo for those slime balls.

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well i'll be damn.

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Associated Press will lecture you about ethics and still park in the handicapped spot. When do they ever get held accountable for anything?

Bunch of self righteous kids who found their dad’s gun.

They’ll burn down entire city blocks to punish 1 person who lives there.

And they’re the righteousness to which we all must be held? God help us all.

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Found after the Saints article, from the AP Of Course!! Many are outraged that teams didn't hire Bieniemy or Saleh


Column: Player safety a cost of an expanded season

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Yawn. Guilty until proven innocent. :rolleyes: These are the same claims the AP made a year ago. They want access to emails that are in the hands of the court and don't want to wait for the justice system. The AP is making news, not reporting news.

And the victim's lawyers are going to make all the claims they can, accurate or not. They are in it for the money. My wife is a malpractice claims adjuster and deals with hundreds of high dollar cases every year and the lawyers involved. The vast majority of cases are unfounded claims hoping to maximize awards. They include everyone that they can regardless of accuracy of claims. Everything will come to light in due time. In the meantime, plaintiff lawyers and the AP are likely the two most untrustworthy operations out there today. LOL

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TMZ > Associated Press

Just threw up in my mouth a little.

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They most likely approached the Saints for money and the Saints probably told them to go to court, instead. You can make all the claims that you want, but as I mentioned early, what lawyers claim in these type of cases do not necessarily have any basis in reality. They are in it solely for the money now. They are moving past criminal responsibility and going after the almighty dollar where ever it may lie. They are in full on ambulance chasing mode and the Associated Press is right there as part of the suit. Notice ALL of this is coming straight from the AP and AP only.

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I wonder if the new owners will move the team?

Dallas?

Should they?

Peyton Manning?

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If the PR help the Saints gave them was helping protect the reputation of certain priests... I wouldn’t even know what to do.

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What if the help was telling them to make sure who you add on the list is absolutely implicated or you'll be exposing yourself to lawsuits from the other direction. Other than that, be as "open and transparent" as possible.

The whole point is all the information we are getting is from the Associated Press that wants to sensationalize as much as possible. NO true fact are available, but all will be released when the court decides it is relevant. Nothing has changed.

You are reacting exactly as they would want, without thought or reason.

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First of all, there are not going to be any new owners. Even if everything the AP is trying to claim MAY have happened is true, and even more, none of it is criminal in nature and the other owners would not weaken their stronghold by voting out another owner. They are saying that an email may have implied that a Saints employee was involved in a discussion with "third parties" concerning the makeup of a list of priests to be disclosed to the public. The AP tries to imply that the Saints were part of some decision making, but the lawyers aren't going that far at all.

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Former Carolina Panther owner Jerry Richardson "Show me how you wiggle to get those jeans up. I bet you had to lay down on your bed to fit into those jeans. Did you step into those jeans or did you have to jump into them?"


Even if everything the AP is trying to claim MAY have happened is true.......

Sound Familiar?

The Carolina Panthers and Mr. Richardson take these allegations very seriously and are fully committed to a full investigation and taking appropriate steps to address and remediate any misconduct," Drummond said. "The entire organization is fully committed to ensuring a safe, comfortable and diverse work environment where all individuals, regardless of sex, race, color, religion, gender, or sexual identity or orientation, are treated fairly and equally. We have work to do to achieve this goal, but we are going to meet it.

The molesting of young boys by priests isn't worse than the allegations against Jerry RIchardson?

Resulting in

The sale of the team to hedge fund manager David Tepper, who paid nearly $2.3 billion for the franchise, became final Monday, seven months after Sports Illustrated revealed details of Richardson's inappropriate workplace behavior.Jul 9, 2018

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Way worse. But it was priests that committed the heinous crimes and they should be punished by the law to its fullest extent. Richardson committed inappropriateness and was punished by losing his team.

We have no real evidence as to if Bensel of the Saints was involved past advising. Even if he had it wasn't to a fraction of the extent of Richardson or the priests.

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I'm playing Devi's Advocate here. You have to admit the press release from the Panthers at the time sounds familiar doesn't it?