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Old 01-28-2020, 12:51 PM   #31
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Re: Early Mock Draft Has Saints Picking An LSU WR?

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We are going to be a losing program once Brees retires anyway. We might as well wait. It may be decades before we are lucky enough to find another QB even as good as he is right now.
I'm sorry, but my anti hero-worship censor compels me to refute this nonsense. I've been reading comments like this one for weeks and refraining from getting into an argument about it, but I can't deal with this anymore without responding.

You have said for YEARS (and I've been refuting your arguments for all of those years) that the Saints would be sunk at any such time that Brees is no longer on the team. Then you saw this team go 5-0 without him, looking actually MORE efficient at times, even if in a different way, and you STILL come in here and proclaim that this team is dead without him.

When Drew was in his prime, it was great. None of us wanted to see it end, because during that time he was probably the greatest QB the game has ever seen, regardless of whatever mystical reasons that people tried to argue in favor of anyone else. But that time HAS come to an end. Prime Brees is no longer here. He's a good QB, and can have moments of brilliance. The Saints won't suck if he stays for another year. But to say that it might be decades before the Saints find another QB as good as he is NOW? If that happens, then it will mean that the front office is full of idiots.

This is a game now built for offense, and nothing but offense. Ryan Tannehill just made the Pro Bowl. Let's see a raise of hands on how many people thought he was capable of anything remotely good? He left an awful organization, got put in a system that utilized his skill-set, and protected him with a dominant running game so that he wouldn't have to carry his team, and that was the trick. But he's not going to win a game that is totally on his shoulders.

Such is the case, currently, with Brees. He's not the guy that can carry you when you need him to. Certainly, at the very least, not to the extent that he used to be able to. So should the Saints just play out the string with Brees, and be happy to be good for now, but come up short every year in the biggest games, or should they start developing someone for the future? My answer to that, is if the right guy falls in your lap, you take him, and let him learn from Brees. He's not playing till he's 45. And if he does, I'm afraid it's not going to be pretty.

This team has a core that can win. I'd rather try to maximize the years that this core has, than to wait for Drew to wither into a shell of himself like Favre and Peyton did, because we're too afraid to move on from our hero. Those guys ended their careers on different teams than they started with, because their organizations weren't afraid of a change. You won't always get the result you want, but you have to accept that no QB is going to play forever.

I've seen the question "who's out there who you'd replace him with" raised numerous times. That's not at all the question that should be asked. You look to the draft. And to that end, the question should be how long do we wait to start looking in that direction to develop someone like the 49ers did with Steve Young, and the Packers with Rodgers, or whatever historical example you want to give. There is never a guarantee that anything is going to work. Is that a valid reason to wait for it to implode, rather than be proactive? I think not.

If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.
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This team has a core that can win. I'd rather try to maximize the years that this core has, than to wait for Drew to wither into a shell of himself like Favre and Peyton did, because we're too afraid to move on from our hero.

I've seen the question "who's out there who you'd replace him with" raised numerous times. That's not at all the question that should be asked. You look to the draft. And to that end, the question should be how long do we wait to start looking in that direction to develop someone like the 49ers did with Steve Young, and the Packers with Rodgers, or whatever historical example you want to give. There is never a guarantee that anything is going to work. Is that a valid reason to wait for it to implode, rather than be proactive? I think not.
+1. ^^ This.

Well articulated and I get it.

IMO this will be Brees last year ... WIN, LOSE OR DRAW.

I think the Saints brass WILL draft a QB in 2020 ... we all love Brees but he can't play forever. Many simply don't want to believe that.
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Old 01-28-2020, 02:58 PM   #34
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I'm sorry, but my anti hero-worship censor compels me to refute this nonsense. I've been reading comments like this one for weeks and refraining from getting into an argument about it, but I can't deal with this anymore without responding.

You have said for YEARS (and I've been refuting your arguments for all of those years) that the Saints would be sunk at any such time that Brees is no longer on the team. Then you saw this team go 5-0 without him, looking actually MORE efficient at times, even if in a different way, and you STILL come in here and proclaim that this team is dead without him.

When Drew was in his prime, it was great. None of us wanted to see it end, because during that time he was probably the greatest QB the game has ever seen, regardless of whatever mystical reasons that people tried to argue in favor of anyone else. But that time HAS come to an end. Prime Brees is no longer here. He's a good QB, and can have moments of brilliance. The Saints won't suck if he stays for another year. But to say that it might be decades before the Saints find another QB as good as he is NOW? If that happens, then it will mean that the front office is full of idiots.

This is a game now built for offense, and nothing but offense. Ryan Tannehill just made the Pro Bowl. Let's see a raise of hands on how many people thought he was capable of anything remotely good? He left an awful organization, got put in a system that utilized his skill-set, and protected him with a dominant running game so that he wouldn't have to carry his team, and that was the trick. But he's not going to win a game that is totally on his shoulders.

Such is the case, currently, with Brees. He's not the guy that can carry you when you need him to. Certainly, at the very least, not to the extent that he used to be able to. So should the Saints just play out the string with Brees, and be happy to be good for now, but come up short every year in the biggest games, or should they start developing someone for the future? My answer to that, is if the right guy falls in your lap, you take him, and let him learn from Brees. He's not playing till he's 45. And if he does, I'm afraid it's not going to be pretty.

This team has a core that can win. I'd rather try to maximize the years that this core has, than to wait for Drew to wither into a shell of himself like Favre and Peyton did, because we're too afraid to move on from our hero.

I've seen the question "who's out there who you'd replace him with" raised numerous times. That's not at all the question that should be asked. You look to the draft. And to that end, the question should be how long do we wait to start looking in that direction to develop someone like the 49ers did with Steve Young, and the Packers with Rodgers, or whatever historical example you want to give. There is never a guarantee that anything is going to work. Is that a valid reason to wait for it to implode, rather than be proactive? I think not.


if we donít fix our failing weak spots on online I see 9-7 with Drew in 2020 tell me different Atlanta will sweep us with drew , Tampa will split and Carolina will split a home and home. If Drew retires which Iím leaning towards all the BS fighting is for not


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Old 01-28-2020, 03:08 PM   #35
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+1. ^^ This.

Well articulated and I get it.

IMO this will be Brees last year ... WIN, LOSE OR DRAW.

I think the Saints brass WILL draft a QB in 2020 ... we all love Brees but he can't play forever. Many simply don't want to believe that.
I'm thinking it's his last year, too, Major. I can't say I have an overwhelming sense that the Saints will draft a QB this year, but I'm guessing that if they have any sense, they will, in fact, do so. Assuming they have an opportunity to draft a quality prospect at the position. There are some guys (*cough* Fromm *cough) who I'd definitely steer clear of.
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I'm sorry, but my anti hero-worship censor compels me to refute this nonsense. I've been reading comments like this one for weeks and refraining from getting into an argument about it, but I can't deal with this anymore without responding.

You have said for YEARS (and I've been refuting your arguments for all of those years) that the Saints would be sunk at any such time that Brees is no longer on the team. Then you saw this team go 5-0 without him, looking actually MORE efficient at times, even if in a different way, and you STILL come in here and proclaim that this team is dead without him.

When Drew was in his prime, it was great. None of us wanted to see it end, because during that time he was probably the greatest QB the game has ever seen, regardless of whatever mystical reasons that people tried to argue in favor of anyone else. But that time HAS come to an end. Prime Brees is no longer here. He's a good QB, and can have moments of brilliance. The Saints won't suck if he stays for another year. But to say that it might be decades before the Saints find another QB as good as he is NOW? If that happens, then it will mean that the front office is full of idiots.

This is a game now built for offense, and nothing but offense. Ryan Tannehill just made the Pro Bowl. Let's see a raise of hands on how many people thought he was capable of anything remotely good? He left an awful organization, got put in a system that utilized his skill-set, and protected him with a dominant running game so that he wouldn't have to carry his team, and that was the trick. But he's not going to win a game that is totally on his shoulders.

Such is the case, currently, with Brees. He's not the guy that can carry you when you need him to. Certainly, at the very least, not to the extent that he used to be able to. So should the Saints just play out the string with Brees, and be happy to be good for now, but come up short every year in the biggest games, or should they start developing someone for the future? My answer to that, is if the right guy falls in your lap, you take him, and let him learn from Brees. He's not playing till he's 45. And if he does, I'm afraid it's not going to be pretty.

This team has a core that can win. I'd rather try to maximize the years that this core has, than to wait for Drew to wither into a shell of himself like Favre and Peyton did, because we're too afraid to move on from our hero. Those guys ended their careers on different teams than they started with, because their organizations weren't afraid of a change. You won't always get the result you want, but you have to accept that no QB is going to play forever.

I've seen the question "who's out there who you'd replace him with" raised numerous times. That's not at all the question that should be asked. You look to the draft. And to that end, the question should be how long do we wait to start looking in that direction to develop someone like the 49ers did with Steve Young, and the Packers with Rodgers, or whatever historical example you want to give. There is never a guarantee that anything is going to work. Is that a valid reason to wait for it to implode, rather than be proactive? I think not.
Yes. The team will most likely be dead without him, unless the defense suddenly has the ability to remain healthy and carry the team ... just as they did during that 5-0 stretch. Don't worry, I'll be there predicting a 19-0 season every season, but my real expectations will be far lower than they have been for the past decade and a half.

Be careful what you wish for. You mat get it.
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if we donít fix our failing weak spots on online I see 9-7 with Drew in 2020 tell me different Atlanta will sweep us with drew , Tampa will split and Carolina will split a home and home. If Drew retires which Iím leaning towards all the BS fighting is for not


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If you see the Saints as 9-7 with Brees in 2020 then you should expect 6-10 at the very best with any other QB. That 6-10 will be our norm for the foreseeable future. At least we won't have any postseason disappointments.
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If you see the Saints as 9-7 with Brees in 2020 then you should expect 6-10 at the very best with any other QB. That 6-10 will be our norm for the foreseeable future. At least we won't have any postseason disappointments.


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No need to brace. We won't have postseason disappointment because we won't be going to the playoffs. Some need to brace themselves for that very real possibility.
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Yes. The team will most likely be dead without him, unless the defense suddenly has the ability to remain healthy and carry the team ... just as they did during that 5-0 stretch. Don't worry, I'll be there predicting a 19-0 season every season, but my real expectations will be far lower than they have been for the past decade and a half.

Be careful what you wish for. You mat get it.
Predictable response. If Drew is playing, he's carrying the team. If he's not playing, and the team is winning, the defense is carrying the team.

With all due respect, the correct answer is the TEAM wins games. When Drew was still in his prime, but the defense was bad, the team went 7-9 a bunch of times, and 8-8 once. If you're going to win, you need to have a good team. That should be plainly obvious to any reasonable observer.

Did the defense carry the Saints against the Bucs the first time? No. Did they carry the team against Chicago? No. Seattle? No. In all of those games there was a combination of offense, defense and special teams. When Drew came back, did they score more points? If they did, it was negligible. Did they have a better winning percentage? No. The offense needed a couple of weeks to find it's bearings after Drew went down, and once it did, it was on a roll. They found a new identity. One very similar to what the Titans used to go from 2-4, to one game short of the Super Bowl.

I'd say the Saints definitely have more talent than Tennessee, and if they could figure it out with Tannehill, I think the Saints can do better. When Drew came back, the team went back to playing unbalanced offense, and a lack of consistent ball control.

Be careful what I wish for? What is it you believe I'm wishing for? Drew is declining. I should want to stay on a sinking ship, shoveling water out by hand, while the ocean swallows it up? No. This team has talent. It can win with decent QB play, but it's not likely to get over the top. Start developing someone now, rather than flaming out with an aging QB, with no plan for the future.
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