Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 878618)

No need to brace. We won't have postseason disappointment because we won't be going to the playoffs. Some need to brace themselves for that very real possibility.

Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 878621)

Predictable response. If Drew is playing, he's carrying the team. If he's not playing, and the team is winning, the defense is carrying the team.

With all due respect, the correct answer is the TEAM wins games. When Drew was still in his prime, but the defense was bad, the team went 7-9 a bunch of times, and 8-8 once. If you're going to win, you need to have a good team. That should be plainly obvious to any reasonable observer.

Did the defense carry the Saints against the Bucs the first time? No. Did they carry the team against Chicago? No. Seattle? No. In all of those games there was a combination of offense, defense and special teams. When Drew came back, did they score more points? If they did, it was negligible. Did they have a better winning percentage? No. The offense needed a couple of weeks to find it's bearings after Drew went down, and once it did, it was on a roll. They found a new identity. One very similar to what the Titans used to go from 2-4, to one game short of the Super Bowl.

I'd say the Saints definitely have more talent than Tennessee, and if they could figure it out with Tannehill, I think the Saints can do better. When Drew came back, the team went back to playing unbalanced offense, and a lack of consistent ball control.

Be careful what I wish for? What is it you believe I'm wishing for? Drew is declining. I should want to stay on a sinking ship, shoveling water out by hand, while the ocean swallows it up? No. This team has talent. It can win with decent QB play, but it's not likely to get over the top. Start developing someone now, rather than flaming out with an aging QB, with no plan for the future.

Originally Posted by st thomas (Post 878623)

I’m accepting that AG we have to feel this thing out with or not with the master


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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 878627)

A diminishing Brees is still heads and shoulders better than the next closest option. Until he clearly isn't I want him out there giving us our best chance.

Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 878621)

Predictable response. If Drew is playing, he's carrying the team. If he's not playing, and the team is winning, the defense is carrying the team.

With all due respect, the correct answer is the TEAM wins games. When Drew was still in his prime, but the defense was bad, the team went 7-9 a bunch of times, and 8-8 once. If you're going to win, you need to have a good team. That should be plainly obvious to any reasonable observer.

Did the defense carry the Saints against the Bucs the first time? No. Did they carry the team against Chicago? No. Seattle? No. In all of those games there was a combination of offense, defense and special teams. When Drew came back, did they score more points? If they did, it was negligible. Did they have a better winning percentage? No. The offense needed a couple of weeks to find it's bearings after Drew went down, and once it did, it was on a roll. They found a new identity. One very similar to what the Titans used to go from 2-4, to one game short of the Super Bowl.

I'd say the Saints definitely have more talent than Tennessee, and if they could figure it out with Tannehill, I think the Saints can do better. When Drew came back, the team went back to playing unbalanced offense, and a lack of consistent ball control.

Be careful what I wish for? What is it you believe I'm wishing for? Drew is declining. I should want to stay on a sinking ship, shoveling water out by hand, while the ocean swallows it up? No. This team has talent. It can win with decent QB play, but it's not likely to get over the top. Start developing someone now, rather than flaming out with an aging QB, with no plan for the future.

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 878624)

As long as that aging QB is better than the alternative I want him out there. It is your prerogative to feel differently. I just don't want to hear your *****ing about QB play post Brees.

Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 878633)

The aging QB did not prove, this year, to be better than the alternative who immediately stepped into his place.

You don't want to hear my "*****ing" about QB play post Brees? You already don't want to hear any dissenting opinion about QB play, present Brees. Plain and simple, you just don't want to accept reality regarding Brees. And that is YOUR prerogative. But you don't have any facts to support your assertions.

Originally Posted by halloween 65 (Post 878631)

No doubt about the decline. There has been quite a few times he should have rolled out to extend plays and instead watched the pocket collapse in his face.
Really never had to much to run all that much to be honest, he's had the benefit of good to great O-line play since he's been here. I agree when he's behind C that we get away from a balanced O.

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 878636)

Are you serious? Did you see the stat comparisons between Brees and Bridgewater this season. Teddy didn't play near as efficiently as Brees. He was the recipient of the defense at its healthiest playing out their asses. Brees outplayed Bridgewater in virtually every category. I gave you those facts.

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In 2019 Brees averaged more yards per attempt (7.9 to 7.1), more yards per completion (10.6 to 10.4), double the touchdowns per attempt (7.1 to 4.6), better completion percentage (74.3 to 67.9), far higher QB rate (116.3 to 99.1), much higher QBR (74.2 to 45.0), and much lower sack percent (3.1% to 5.8%) than Bridgewater. And these are just a few of the stats where Brees clearly outperformed Teddy.