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foreverfan 01-30-2020 01:16 PM

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Drew will be here for a long time.

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rezburna 01-30-2020 06:45 PM

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I’m ready to move on from Brees. His legacy has earned him as much time as he wants in a Saints uniform behind center. I may not like it, but I’ll let it be. I am very intrigued by what the offense would look like with Taysom Hill at quarterback full time though.

AsylumGuido 01-30-2020 07:03 PM

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Originally Posted by rezburna (Post 878843)
I’m ready to move on from Brees. His legacy has earned him as much time as he wants in a Saints uniform behind center. I may not like it, but I’ll let it be. I am very intrigued by what the offense would look like with Taysom Hill at quarterback full time though.

How will the lack of being the center of the offence for several years affect him? And will he ever approach the understanding of reading the defenses that Brees has accomplished over the past two decades? I have no doubt he is an athlete. An incredible athlete. But, to date, he has completed seven passes in thirteen attempts in his entire regular and postseason professional career.

That offense will most likely look a little ugly for a couple of years. Maybe after that it can blossom ... if we still have any other assets in place.

rezburna 01-30-2020 09:31 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 878844)
How will the lack of being the center of the offence for several years affect him? And will he ever approach the understanding of reading the defenses that Brees has accomplished over the past two decades? I have no doubt he is an athlete. An incredible athlete. But, to date, he has completed seven passes in thirteen attempts in his entire regular and postseason professional career.

That offense will most likely look a little ugly for a couple of years. Maybe after that it can blossom ... if we still have any other assets in place.

I’m positive there will be more interceptions. It’s just something about him that makes me feel like he might shine in the big moments.

Saint in Aus 01-31-2020 01:08 AM

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He certainly has an arm on him.

AsylumGuido 01-31-2020 07:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Saint in Aus (Post 878856)
He certainly has an arm on him.

Not as strong as Jamarcus Russell.

;)

Which reminds me of a story I heard on NFL Radio a couple of days ago. A coach gave Russell a CD and told him to go home and check out all the plays and come back with the ones he felt best fit him. He brought it back the next morning and told the coach to keep all the plays and that he could handle them. The CD was BLANK and was given to him as a test. True story.

jeanpierre 01-31-2020 07:37 AM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 878861)
Not as strong as Jamarcus Russell.

;)

Which reminds me of a story I heard on NFL Radio a couple of days ago. A coach gave Russell a CD and told him to go home and check out all the plays and come back with the ones he felt best fit him. He brought it back the next morning and told the coach to keep all the plays and that he could handle them. The CD was BLANK and was given to him as a test. True story.

Well, let's turn the tables...

Question, How do you know Taysom Hill is putting in as much or less effort than Jamarcus Russell did? In interviews since Hill arrive, I've only heard Brees and Hill disclose praise of Taysom's work and progress...

Which, leads me to the next...

Question, why would the offense not evolve, be different about Taysom's skill set? The NFL is constantly referred to as a copy-cat league. Payton is obviously looking at Chiefs and Ravens, seeing opportunities...

And then there's just that...

Question, How was Taysom to overtake Brees with limited opportunities? Irregardless of Hill's ceiling, Hill can only get better if he's afforded the opportunities on the field at the quarterback position...

Don't know about you, but I definitely knew when I hit 40. While all things are relative, you still know you're 40; 40 may just be a number, but we all know it's not 29 irregardless of our maintenance...

Now just a few years ago, Denver had an amazing team and won games with Tim Tebow - who I'd consider Hill to be a better quarterback. What Tebow had that Denver hadn't had - a leader that inspired...

Know you were watching that game as intensely as the rest of us, and you could see Hill fired those guys up when on the field, gave back confidence and maybe that's what gets this team over this playoff block...

Lastly, Eli Manning retired this week. Can't think of a more apt comparison of Eli and Peyton Manning. Eli wasn't the passer Peyton was, but Eli was Kryptonite in the playoffs...

He'd knocked off a red-hot Aaron Rodgers in Green Bay in the playoffs, defeated an undefeated Brady and the Patriots in the Superbowl. Eli even went to toe-to-toe with a red-hot Brees-led offense...

But when the Manning Boys sit down to Thanksgiving Dinner, both of them have two Superbowl rings each and Payton's second Superbowl run, well, Payton was a shell of his former self...

We knew this time was coming with Brees, all predicted various dates when, but nonetheless the foreboding was coming and we should just watch and enjoy as much of the experience we can...

The only comparison that should be made between Brees and Hill, the only one that matters, what does the scoreboard say at the end of the games in the Tournament...

jeanpierre 01-31-2020 07:54 AM

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And there you have it...




Disclosure: Yes Chris Simms is a complete idiot, making the assumption he accurately quoted Brees' statement

AsylumGuido 01-31-2020 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 878863)
Well, let's turn the tables...

Question, How do you know Taysom Hill is putting in as much or less effort than Jamarcus Russell did? In interviews since Hill arrive, I've only heard Brees and Hill disclose how praise of Taysom's work and progress...

Which, leads me to the next...

Question, why would the offense not evolve be different about Taysom's skill set? The NFL is constantly referred to as a copy-cat league. Payton is obviously looking at Chiefs and Ravens, seeing opportunities...

And then there's just that...

Question, How was Taysom to overtake Brees with limited opportunities? Irregardless of Hill's ceiling, Hill can only get better if he's afforded the opportunities on the field at the quarterback position...

Don't know about you, but I definitely knew when I hit 40. While all things are relative, you still know you're 40; 40 may just be a number, but we all know it's not 29 irregardless of our maintenance...

Now just a few years ago, Denver had an amazing team and won games with Tim Tebow - who I'd consider Hill to be a better quarterback. What Tebow had that Denver hadn't had - a leader that inspired...

Know you were watching that game as intensely as the rest of us, and you could see Hill fired those guys up when on the field, gave back confidence and maybe that's what gets this team over this playoff block...

Lastly, Eli Manning retired this week. Can't think of a more apt comparison of Eli and Peyton Manning. Eli wasn't the passer Peyton was, but Eli was Kryptonite in the playoffs...

He'd knocked off a red-hot Aaron Rodgers in Green Bay in the playoffs, defeated an undefeated Brady and the Patriots in the Superbowl. Eli even went to toe-to-toe with a red-hot Brees-led offense...

But when the Manning Boys sit down to Thanksgiving Dinner, both of them have two Superbowl rings each and Payton's second Superbowl run, well, Payton was a shell of his former self...

We knew this time was coming with Brees, all predicted various dates when, but nonetheless the foreboding was coming and we should just watch and enjoy as much of the experience we can...

The only comparison that should be made between Brees and Hill, the only one that matters, what does the scoreboard say at the end of the games in the Tournament...

Sorry, but I just don't have confidence in Hill getting us to the tournament. I can't and won't argue his drive and enthusiasm. I question his ability to be effective on a full-time basis. His limited success at "QB" has come with his as a wildcat, not lined up as an every down QB. He is great, however, when lined up as a TE, or in the slot, or as an H-back. The way I look at it is that Teddy Bridgewater has a low ceiling at QB. I just don't see him as anything but average, which isn't bad, but it was him, not Hill that took over starting duties when Brees went down. There was a reason for that and it wasn't to use Hill in his most valuable role. His touches went WAY down until Brees returned.

Who knows? Maybe Hill can evolve into an every down QB some day. I just haven't seen it myself. I just see us taking a major step back when or if Hill has to take over the role.

Papa Voodoo 01-31-2020 01:19 PM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 878864)
And there you have it...

https://twitter.com/CSimmsQB/status/1223241039458123778



Disclosure: Yes Chris Simms is a complete idiot, making the assumption he accurately quoted Brees' statement

In the same interview Drew slipped and said "we play both KC and the 49ers next year." It was very obvious he's not retiring. And neither he nor Hill have an issue with sharing the QB role.

blackangold 01-31-2020 01:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Papa Voodoo (Post 878903)
In the same interview Drew slipped and said "we play both KC and the 49ers next year." It was very obvious he's not retiring. And neither he nor Hill have an issue with sharing the QB role.

I’m not sure about that.. even as a fan I say ‘we’ all the time, doesn’t mean I’m suiting up lol.

I just caught his interview on NFLN and it really sounded like he may be leaning toward retiring. He really put an emphasis on how much time and stress he has invested in football, and how his kids are getting older, missing time with them etc...

jeanpierre 01-31-2020 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Papa Voodoo (Post 878903)
In the same interview Drew slipped and said "we play both KC and the 49ers next year." It was very obvious he's not retiring. And neither he nor Hill have an issue with sharing the QB role.

Good Catch!

neugey 01-31-2020 02:22 PM

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It runs counter to Brees' strategy thus far, but you have to wonder if one of Brees' options is privately or publicly informing the Saints this next one will be his farewell season. I think it might be a good option; his agent might not agree.

AsylumGuido 01-31-2020 02:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Papa Voodoo (Post 878903)
In the same interview Drew slipped and said "we play both KC and the 49ers next year." It was very obvious he's not retiring. And neither he nor Hill have an issue with sharing the QB role.

Note he didn't say he and Hill WOULD be sharing time. All he said was he wouldn't have a problem if they did. Payton said he and Brees haven't discussed anything since the day after the season ended so this wouldn't have been anything planned by the team. Once again, nothing but speculation by talking heads.

Ironically, one of the hosts or guests on NFL Radio mentioned a few days ago that he expected Brees to decide to retire if he was told by the team that he would be required to share time at QB. This sounds like Brees addressing that misinformed speculation.

AsylumGuido 01-31-2020 02:39 PM

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Originally Posted by blackangold (Post 878906)
I’m not sure about that.. even as a fan I say ‘we’ all the time, doesn’t mean I’m suiting up lol.

I just caught his interview on NFLN and it really sounded like he may be leaning toward retiring. He really put an emphasis on how much time and stress he has invested in football, and how his kids are getting older, missing time with them etc...

I saw every interview, I thought, on NFL Network with Brees and I don't remember him saying he was missing time with his kids. He actually spend more time with his family than any other player I can think of. He has said on many occasions that his kids are all finally approaching the age where they can begin to appreciate what he is doing as a player. He is always involving them in everything before, during and after the season. In fact, in one interview earlier today on NFL Radio he said he is treating this off-season just as he has the past three. I was getting the vibe from everything he was saying that things are pretty much status quo and he would be returning. You can tell he feels like he has unfinished business.

AsylumGuido 01-31-2020 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by neugey (Post 878909)
It runs counter to Brees' strategy thus far, but you have to wonder if one of Brees' options is privately or publicly informing the Saints this next one will be his farewell season. I think it might be a good option; his agent might not agree.

I seriously doubt he would be thinking a year ahead all of the sudden. For the past three years he has said he just wants to look at each season as a year by year basis. The only difference this year is the added media attention given the fact that all three QB's on the roster are free agents. It allows for far greater speculation by those that do not have a clue.

Papa Voodoo 01-31-2020 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 878907)
Good Catch!

Here it is. It's at the end. https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...im-all-for-it/

AsylumGuido 01-31-2020 03:37 PM

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Originally Posted by Papa Voodoo (Post 878913)

Just watched it! It definitely sounded like he was saying HE was going facing the Niners and KC next year.

Rugby Saint II 02-09-2020 11:31 AM

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I don't know about whether Drew will retire or not this off season but I plan to be at training camp and getting his autograph again. This year and next year too......just sayin'. :p

44Champs 02-09-2020 11:53 AM

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Originally Posted by WillMacKenzie (Post 878632)
Brees is doing this all for stats. I can’t believe how selfish he’s gotten over the years

It's called "competitive" not "selfish". What a sh!tpost!!

XLIV CHAMPS

73Saint 02-09-2020 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 879563)
I don't know about whether Drew will retire or not this off season but I plan to be at training camp and getting his autograph again. This year and next year too......just sayin'. :p

Last year I went to training camp. I've never done it before, we had VIP tickets and were in Benson's balcony. I had an Alvin Kamara jersey on, and happened to get AK to autograph it for me. I also had an old Brees jersey that belongs to my g/f. Well at the last minute Brees walked by, signed it for me and then took a pic with me. I still can't believe I got that, very special moment (even though it was a terrible pic of me).

Rugby Saint II 02-09-2020 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by st thomas (Post 878721)
In 2010 I went to my ole mans grave and put a Super Bowl vase full of black and gold flowers and a sign that someone stole. the next one hopefully won’t be my kids Putin it out on mine . GO SAINTS


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Damn! That's some seriously bad Karma. My condolences.

st thomas 02-09-2020 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 879579)
Damn! That's some seriously bad Karma. My condolences.



It was my old man that brought me the first saints game ever I was 9 . II caught a pass from Archie Manning at a camp. And fell , he laughed his arse off at me. That hole is still there at Cajun field.[emoji458]


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lee909 02-14-2020 03:30 AM

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Not going to be a popular opinion but signing Brees will be a mistake at this point.

People keep talking of the cap rising so it's not a issue, we'll it is. Its rising for every team and kicking the bucket down the line is just eating in future deals. This team needs freshening up in areas and some of the injury prone pieces need moved on. The game is changing and it's changing fast. There's also alot of players needing paid and if adding Brees for one more year means loading more cap in future years and losing players in their prime its not worth it. The team is short of the required roster to go to the superbowl and the last time Brees played 16 games he fell off a cliff late(though the line has sonething to do with that.) He looked good last year but rested up a third of the season.

The team needs to move on, eat the cap hit on him this year. Re-sign the players at their primes. Make a decision with Kamara, personally if he's looking for 15ml a year trade him or wait to lose him for a comp pick.

AsylumGuido 02-14-2020 06:21 AM

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Originally Posted by lee909 (Post 879894)
Not going to be a popular opinion but signing Brees will be a mistake at this point.

People keep talking of the cap rising so it's not a issue, we'll it is. Its rising for every team and kicking the bucket down the line is just eating in future deals. This team needs freshening up in areas and some of the injury prone pieces need moved on. The game is changing and it's changing fast. There's also alot of players needing paid and if adding Brees for one more year means loading more cap in future years and losing players in their prime its not worth it. The team is short of the required roster to go to the superbowl and the last time Brees played 16 games he fell off a cliff late(though the line has sonething to do with that.) He looked good last year but rested up a third of the season.

The team needs to move on, eat the cap hit on him this year. Re-sign the players at their primes. Make a decision with Kamara, personally if he's looking for 15ml a year trade him or wait to lose him for a comp pick.

Glad you're not making the decision.

;)

st thomas 02-14-2020 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by lee909 (Post 879894)
Not going to be a popular opinion but signing Brees will be a mistake at this point.

People keep talking of the cap rising so it's not a issue, we'll it is. Its rising for every team and kicking the bucket down the line is just eating in future deals. This team needs freshening up in areas and some of the injury prone pieces need moved on. The game is changing and it's changing fast. There's also alot of players needing paid and if adding Brees for one more year means loading more cap in future years and losing players in their prime its not worth it. The team is short of the required roster to go to the superbowl and the last time Brees played 16 games he fell off a cliff late(though the line has sonething to do with that.) He looked good last year but rested up a third of the season.

The team needs to move on, eat the cap hit on him this year. Re-sign the players at their primes. Make a decision with Kamara, personally if he's looking for 15ml a year trade him or wait to lose him for a comp pick.



We’re just one team of many in a predicament . Dammed if we do and dammed if we don’t . Keeping drew doesn’t guaranty noda. We would need multiple player restructuring to keep key pieces to make a run. Davenport , Rankins, even Granderson would have to ball out.The draft would have to be a home run again , like a linebacker , guard and a wr that’s on the field day one .Now if drew retires or we let him walk. I still believe we could make the playoffs with teddy B. Because laysum taysom is going to get snatched up which I believe would help us get another great pick ,but to make a run without drew ? Umm and Happy Valentines Day my beotches. [emoji3590]


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Papa Voodoo 02-14-2020 12:06 PM

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Originally Posted by 73Saint (Post 879574)
Last year I went to training camp. I've never done it before, we had VIP tickets and were in Benson's balcony. I had an Alvin Kamara jersey on, and happened to get AK to autograph it for me. I also had an old Brees jersey that belongs to my g/f. Well at the last minute Brees walked by, signed it for me and then took a pic with me. I still can't believe I got that, very special moment (even though it was a terrible pic of me).

But you look so fit in your avatar :p

The Dude 02-14-2020 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 879895)
Glad you're not making the decision.

;)

I would love to know who In the hell else in the league would be a better qb and give us a better shot at a SB than Brees THIS year.
Hill is not better at this point and Teddy certainly isn’t.
Only other person I can think of that MIGHT be an option is Rivers and that would be a lateral move at best.

lee909 02-15-2020 02:29 AM

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Originally Posted by The Dude (Post 879963)
I would love to know who In the hell else in the league would be a better qb and give us a better shot at a SB than Brees THIS year.
Hill is not better at this point and Teddy certainly isn’t.
Only other person I can think of that MIGHT be an option is Rivers and that would be a lateral move at best.


Is not just about this year
You over stretch this year and its kills you for multiple years. We saw come the playoffs how this team isn't close enough. There's alot of holes to fill on this team and paying everyone will just cripple them down the road. Players salaries are escaltong quickly at the moment and teams without space will not get competitive free agents.

WillMacKenzie 02-15-2020 08:44 AM

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Isn’t it obvious by now? We’re not getting into the superbowl in our current form. 3 years in a row.

You got to know when to hold em’, know when to fold em’, and know when to run

AsylumGuido 02-15-2020 12:41 PM

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Originally Posted by WillMacKenzie (Post 879989)
Isn’t it obvious by now? We’re not getting into the superbowl in our current form. 3 years in a row.

You got to know when to hold em’, know when to fold em’, and know when to run

Not obvious at all. Getting to the Super Bowl takes a great deal of luck. Only two teams out of 32 make it every year. Any dramatic changes we make to our roster could just as well take us in the opposite direction and not give us any chance whatsoever to even make the post season. We have been a play away here or there each of the past three seasons. Almost every other team in the league would love to be in that position.

THAT is obvious.

Rugby Saint II 02-15-2020 12:53 PM

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The great thing about this discussion is that we'll probably have it for the next couple of years.

The Dude 02-16-2020 03:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 880001)
The great thing about this discussion is that we'll probably have it for the next couple of years.

Doubt it but as long as Brees plays at the same level as he did this year I would be fine with it. Dude had one of his best years but I really think this will be his last year though (2020).


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