USA Today/Saints Wire: NFL still mulling over 17-game regular season in new CBA

AsylumGuido · 02-03-2020, 03:36 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

Great points Guido. We would need to relax the NFL medicinal marijuana rules to get something back for the players. It's ridiculous that it's shown to be beneficial and besides the government doesn't care anymore. If anything they like the tax revenue. Anyway, back on topic, give me sixteen games. Most players want that.

I can also see having one of those neutral field games a week starting in week two and ending in week 17. Cities could bid for the chance of hosting them and a big deal could be made out of them. That would leave weeks one, 18 and 19 for the inter-divisional games. Oh, and I have heard that players would be open to 17 games with expanded rosters and extra bye week. It would mean more jobs and more money in their pockets.

TheOak · 02-03-2020, 03:36 PM

If the NFL expands its product it needs to commit to a full expansion of product. If they are allowed to dick around with a one game expansion they will get the revenue but not have to reinvest in the product.

20 Game season (Yes, add another month to Pro Football)
No change to number that make the playoffs
No change to number of teams
No change t0 4 Pre-season games (with rules being changed to help offenses, defenses are already 2-3 weeks late to catch up)
Expand 52 man roster to 60+
Expand Salary Cap

- The league is presently struggling with the the delicate balance between product quality and attrition. Slight changes allow them to milk more revenue while avoiding their attrition problem.

- The league has been at a 16 game season for 42 years since 1978. Players are bigger, stronger, faster, and hit harder. The roster has needed an expansion for a while now to allow for more rotation.

CHA_CHING · 02-03-2020, 08:40 PM

Why fix something that isn't broke?

16 game seasons have been the motto for over 40 years now.

Rugby Saint II · 02-03-2020, 09:12 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I can also see having one of those neutral field games a week starting in week two and ending in week 17. Cities could bid for the chance of hosting them and a big deal could be made out of them. That would leave weeks one, 18 and 19 for the inter-divisional games. Oh, and I have heard that players would be open to 17 games with expanded rosters and extra bye week. It would mean more jobs and more money in their pockets.

I'm not so sure that I want an extra bye week. Have you noticed how flat we come out following a bye? I can only imagine how two off weeks would affect this teams intensity. Seriously though, I understand the appeal of a 17 week season. We have Sunday, Monday, and Thursday night games but I feel like the market is just saturated with football at every turn as it is.

One of my big points is that teams actually need four preseason games to really evaluate players. I believe that most teams tend to gel with a couple of games together after the season kicks off and we would get a watered down product to start the season. jmho

However, if I get to see my Saints play one more prime time game each year then I won't be disappointed in the least as long as we can stay healthy as a team for that long. Who Dat!

Crusader · 02-04-2020, 07:17 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Plenty enough for who?

The players. This looking at it from a health perspective. Season is long enough as it is.

K Major · 02-04-2020, 08:08 AM

Originally Posted by Crusader

The players. This looking at it from a health perspective. Season is long enough as it is.

A grind.

AsylumGuido · 02-04-2020, 08:15 AM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

I'm not so sure that I want an extra bye week. Have you noticed how flat we come out following a bye? I can only imagine how two off weeks would affect this teams intensity. Seriously though, I understand the appeal of a 17 week season. We have Sunday, Monday, and Thursday night games but I feel like the market is just saturated with football at every turn as it is.

One of my big points is that teams actually need four preseason games to really evaluate players. I believe that most teams tend to gel with a couple of games together after the season kicks off and we would get a watered down product to start the season. jmho

However, if I get to see my Saints play one more prime time game each year then I won't be disappointed in the least as long as we can stay healthy as a team for that long. Who Dat!

They discussed this on NFL Radio's Moving the Chains almost every off-season. Pat Kirwan says that NFL coaching staff's have decided on around 50 of their (first) final 53 before the first preseason game. The final few are determined by which ones make it through those preseason game healthy enough to start the regular season. They have also said the recent sloppy starts by NFL teams comes from the greatly reduced practice schedules (also supposedly for the safety of the players). The regular roster isn't going to gel until they actually get on the field together. 90% of the playing time during the preseason games come from players that will not be starting a single game once the regular season starts.

As for intensity, it does not go hand in hand with player safety. An extra bye week would aid player safety. No bye weeks might increase intensity, as would more intense practices, but that would never happen again.

AsylumGuido · 02-04-2020, 08:16 AM

Originally Posted by Crusader

The players. This looking at it from a health perspective. Season is long enough as it is.

Originally Posted by K Major

A grind.

An extra bye week would break up that grind.

AsylumGuido · 02-04-2020, 08:20 AM

Originally Posted by CHA_CHING

Why fix something that isn't broke?

16 game seasons have been the motto for over 40 years now.

To increase revenue. When they increased it to 14 games people said, "Why fix something that isn't broke?" When they increased it to 16 games people said, "Why fix something that isn't broke?"

Crusader · 02-04-2020, 09:16 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

An extra bye week would break up that grind.

Not enough to make it worth it. From experience, the difference between 10 games are huge. But a season where you play 15-16 games are a completely different beast. I did this twice when we had a 12 game season and also played an european Championship adding 3 games as well as a playoff game.

Your body is so worn down towards the end that every added stress just might push it over the brink to breaking.
One week off is like putting a band-aid on a broken leg it does very little to remedy the problem. Its not until 1-2 months after the season one starts to feel like normal again.

02-03-2020, 03:36 PM	#21
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: USA Today/Saints Wire: NFL still mulling over 17-game regular season in new CBA Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II Great points Guido. We would need to relax the NFL medicinal marijuana rules to get something back for the players. It's ridiculous that it's shown to be beneficial and besides the government doesn't care anymore. If anything they like the tax revenue. Anyway, back on topic, give me sixteen games. Most players want that. I can also see having one of those neutral field games a week starting in week two and ending in week 17. Cities could bid for the chance of hosting them and a big deal could be made out of them. That would leave weeks one, 18 and 19 for the inter-divisional games. Oh, and I have heard that players would be open to 17 games with expanded rosters and extra bye week. It would mean more jobs and more money in their pockets.

02-03-2020, 03:36 PM	#22
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,027	Re: USA Today/Saints Wire: NFL still mulling over 17-game regular season in new CBA If the NFL expands its product it needs to commit to a full expansion of product. If they are allowed to dick around with a one game expansion they will get the revenue but not have to reinvest in the product. 20 Game season (Yes, add another month to Pro Football) No change to number that make the playoffs No change to number of teams No change t0 4 Pre-season games (with rules being changed to help offenses, defenses are already 2-3 weeks late to catch up) Expand 52 man roster to 60+ Expand Salary Cap - The league is presently struggling with the the delicate balance between product quality and attrition. Slight changes allow them to milk more revenue while avoiding their attrition problem. - The league has been at a 16 game season for 42 years since 1978. Players are bigger, stronger, faster, and hit harder. The roster has needed an expansion for a while now to allow for more rotation.
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02-03-2020, 08:40 PM	#23
CHA_CHING 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: Mobile, AL Posts: 1,159	Re: USA Today/Saints Wire: NFL still mulling over 17-game regular season in new CBA Why fix something that isn't broke? 16 game seasons have been the motto for over 40 years now.

02-03-2020, 09:12 PM	#24
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,073	Re: USA Today/Saints Wire: NFL still mulling over 17-game regular season in new CBA Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I can also see having one of those neutral field games a week starting in week two and ending in week 17. Cities could bid for the chance of hosting them and a big deal could be made out of them. That would leave weeks one, 18 and 19 for the inter-divisional games. Oh, and I have heard that players would be open to 17 games with expanded rosters and extra bye week. It would mean more jobs and more money in their pockets. I'm not so sure that I want an extra bye week. Have you noticed how flat we come out following a bye? I can only imagine how two off weeks would affect this teams intensity. Seriously though, I understand the appeal of a 17 week season. We have Sunday, Monday, and Thursday night games but I feel like the market is just saturated with football at every turn as it is. One of my big points is that teams actually need four preseason games to really evaluate players. I believe that most teams tend to gel with a couple of games together after the season kicks off and we would get a watered down product to start the season. jmho However, if I get to see my Saints play one more prime time game each year then I won't be disappointed in the least as long as we can stay healthy as a team for that long. Who Dat!
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02-04-2020, 07:17 AM	#25
Crusader Resident Swede Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Märsta, Sweden Posts: 8,025	Re: USA Today/Saints Wire: NFL still mulling over 17-game regular season in new CBA Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Plenty enough for who? The players. This looking at it from a health perspective. Season is long enough as it is. Rugby Saint II and K Major like this.

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K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,622 Blog Entries: 3	Re: USA Today/Saints Wire: NFL still mulling over 17-game regular season in new CBA Originally Posted by Crusader The players. This looking at it from a health perspective. Season is long enough as it is. A grind.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: USA Today/Saints Wire: NFL still mulling over 17-game regular season in new CBA Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II I'm not so sure that I want an extra bye week. Have you noticed how flat we come out following a bye? I can only imagine how two off weeks would affect this teams intensity. Seriously though, I understand the appeal of a 17 week season. We have Sunday, Monday, and Thursday night games but I feel like the market is just saturated with football at every turn as it is. One of my big points is that teams actually need four preseason games to really evaluate players. I believe that most teams tend to gel with a couple of games together after the season kicks off and we would get a watered down product to start the season. jmho However, if I get to see my Saints play one more prime time game each year then I won't be disappointed in the least as long as we can stay healthy as a team for that long. Who Dat! They discussed this on NFL Radio's Moving the Chains almost every off-season. Pat Kirwan says that NFL coaching staff's have decided on around 50 of their (first) final 53 before the first preseason game. The final few are determined by which ones make it through those preseason game healthy enough to start the regular season. They have also said the recent sloppy starts by NFL teams comes from the greatly reduced practice schedules (also supposedly for the safety of the players). The regular roster isn't going to gel until they actually get on the field together. 90% of the playing time during the preseason games come from players that will not be starting a single game once the regular season starts. As for intensity, it does not go hand in hand with player safety. An extra bye week would aid player safety. No bye weeks might increase intensity, as would more intense practices, but that would never happen again. Rugby Saint II likes this.
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02-04-2020, 08:16 AM	#28
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: USA Today/Saints Wire: NFL still mulling over 17-game regular season in new CBA Originally Posted by Crusader The players. This looking at it from a health perspective. Season is long enough as it is. Originally Posted by K Major A grind. An extra bye week would break up that grind.

02-04-2020, 08:20 AM	#29
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: USA Today/Saints Wire: NFL still mulling over 17-game regular season in new CBA Originally Posted by CHA_CHING Why fix something that isn't broke? 16 game seasons have been the motto for over 40 years now. To increase revenue. When they increased it to 14 games people said, "Why fix something that isn't broke?" When they increased it to 16 games people said, "Why fix something that isn't broke?"

02-04-2020, 09:16 AM	#30
Crusader Resident Swede Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Märsta, Sweden Posts: 8,025	Re: USA Today/Saints Wire: NFL still mulling over 17-game regular season in new CBA Originally Posted by AsylumGuido An extra bye week would break up that grind. Not enough to make it worth it. From experience, the difference between 10 games are huge. But a season where you play 15-16 games are a completely different beast. I did this twice when we had a 12 game season and also played an european Championship adding 3 games as well as a playoff game. Your body is so worn down towards the end that every added stress just might push it over the brink to breaking. One week off is like putting a band-aid on a broken leg it does very little to remedy the problem. Its not until 1-2 months after the season one starts to feel like normal again. jeanpierre and K Major like this.
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