Taysom Hill views himself as a franchise quarterback, wants to be with a team that views him that way
 

Despite the obvious and uncanny skill set of Saints master-of-all-trades Taysom Hill, plenty seem to be skeptical as to whether he can be a franchise quarterback. Taysom Hill is not.

“I definitely view myself as a franchise quarterback,” Hill told Rob Maadi of the Associated Press during Super Bowl week.

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The Saints view Hill that way, too. The question becomes whether another team will make Hill a restricted free-agency offer the Saints can’t or won’t match, accepting a first-round pick as compensation for him.

“Do I want to leave?” Hill said. “The fact of the matter is no. But as you look at free agency, you have to find the right opportunity for you. You have to find the situation to take care of your family. I want to play quarterback in this league. If New Orleans don’t view me that why, well then I have to leave.”

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Yawn. Payton is doing his best to pump up Hill for the placement of the RFA first round tag. There is no way any team is going to commit starter money to Hill with all the other free agent options out there. The best deal he might get would be as a utility player as he is now for around $10M max on a three year deal. The Saints would gladly match that especially if it would be cap friendly the final two years. If by some miracle some team buy into the totally unproven possibility that Hill could be a viable starter and offers him that money then the Saints get that team's first round pick this season.

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Well, it's difficult to say anything bad about this guy considering the season he just had.

However, franchise quarterback? Sorry buddy, but those 7 career completions kind of tell the story. Don't try to be something you're not (see Tim Tebow), especially at age 30.
Most telling for me was the Saints stance last off-season: they weren't even comfortable enough to promote him to back-up, instead buying the 7 million dollar insurance policy named Teddy.

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Things might get interesting?

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Hill said he wants to play with Brees another year. He wants to be a starter but it doesn’t have to be this year. We will get a journeyman backup or draft a developmental player and Brees and Hill will both see the field as Qb’s.
Never been a fan of the “dual qb system” long term but Payton can win a SB doing it for a year imo.

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If we go with a 30+ year old run QB who has never started an NFL game in his career, the only conclusion I can come up with is that we are tanking.

I'd rather Brees come back for one more year than have Hill as a starting QB.

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We have a future starter. He went 5-0 with us during the year and that was the most fun the team was all season.

Payton can't even get back to the SB with Brees, I don't think he does it with a dual QB system.

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2 Glove Teddy is probably a bigger off season story than Take some Taysom. A ton of teams will be "connected" to him this off season. By all accounts, Teddy is a awesome guy/great team mate and wants to win (see 5-0).

The guy operated extremely well (knew the playbook/limited turnovers) in SP system. It won't surprise me at all to see a team without a top draft pick to have him on their radar.

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I think it's premature to write-off Taysom, Payton sure makes it seem like he is the future starter for the Saints.

Taysom's biggest issue is age, however I don't think any running QB is going to be successful for more than 5 year stretches. This goes for Jackson and others. The punishment is to much to take at that position, any injury can significantly impact throwing motion etc...

From what I have seen (preseason), Taysom can be a solid QB, but he needs to be a pass first and read through progression QB if he wants to have a long career.

Teddy is a safe QB, he won't win you games, but he won't lose them for you either. Taysom is a QB that can put the team on his back and win it himself if needed, but over a full season there might be a lot of risk with that play style.

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I'm hoping that New Orleans will keep Taysom in his current role for years. It sounds like Taysom wants more and I can't blame him for trying but he fits so perfectly in Sean Payton's game plan.

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What is Taysom supposed to say - "I want to be a utility player for the rest of my career"? Speculation is getting more and more pointless lately.

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Fix the O line (nasty GUARD) & defense or it won't matter who is under center in 2020.

Just a short list of QB's who have beaten us in the post season over the years.

Hasslebeck, Grossman, Alex Smith :evil:, Russ Wilson (I can live with this one), Keenum, Goff & Kurt "How you like dat" Cousins.


I say let's start Take Some Taysom at Free Safety and start knocking fools out :p.

^^^ I'm only kidding guys on Taysom @ FS ... just adding a little humor to what has been a very disappointing season. So tired of losing games late in the post season, not using the L Train (avg 10.5 ypc) to close out teams or having the refs influence outcomes in games.

End rant :brood:.

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This sounds agent driven

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What the heck is Brees gonna do??? I wish he'd go ahead and make the announcement one way or another.

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That's an extremely difficult decision to make. It's been his life since he was a boy dreaming of doing the things he's done on the football field. You don't just easily walk away from that without time for reflection. More than one player has retired and then come back to the game because they miss it's "vibe" in their lives.

Sometimes it's not for the love of the game it's just for the money. Although, I do believe that drew has invested his money well....except maybe for his jewelry investments.:p

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In all seriousness, the heir apparent to Drew is on another team or preparing for the upcoming 2020 NFL draft.

IMO that 5-0 stretch was killer coaching. I trust they will make the right decision when #9 exits left.

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And ELITE play from a healthy defense. All Teddy did was not screw up. Honestly that’s probably all that was asked of him. I do not think we saw what TB can or cannot do based on those 5 games.

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After winning his lawsuit he actually did pretty well with that jewelry investment.

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I was going to add pretty much the same thing. Bridgewater has been getting FAR too much credit for the five game streak. He didn't win those games. What he DID do was not lose them.

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I'm sorry, I wish I had the confidence that most of you people seem to have on how easy it will be to find a good to great starting QB post Drew and how casually you guys would throw away Teddy (proven winner) and Taysom (great potential). Dolphins have been looking for the right QB since Marino, right? Cleveland since, who Bernie? Buffalo since Kelly? Chicago since McMahon, and that's a stretch since he was fragile. Jets since O'Brian, and he was only pretty good. Do I have to go on? Do I also have to remind you guys of the Fourcade, Walsh, Shuler, Billy Joes, et cetera years? We've had two great QB's in how many years of existence?
I find it interesting that people are so happy to give credit to Sean and Dennis Allen in this thread for the wonders they did while Drew was out, but then crucify both for their play calling in every other thread.
I can only speak for myself, but I'd be surprised, and disappointed if neither Taysom nor Teddy are part of the Drew succession plan. Feel free to flame away.

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i agree with this.

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I wont flame this.
Drew is the best QB in Football. The posters calling on him to quit have forgotten what its like to have a Billy Joe or a Weurffel at QB, and zero hope.

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Historically; the Jets had a QB in Testeverde until he tore his ACL in 1999. They also had a franchise QB in Chad Pennington until the same thing happened, injuries ruined great potential.

As for Payton and Allen in your post, I have long said that Allen is the biggest problem with this team. Payton's play calling with Bridgewater in was completely different before Brees came back. With Bridgewater, he opened up the playbook and got more creative. We actually ran the ball and by the time we got to Chicago, Bridgewater looked like he could run this offense. We seen him throwing deep, and fans seem to have forgotten how impressive he was vs Tampa Bay. When Brees is in, the record chasing is more important. We did that in 2011 when we moved past a balanced run game to chase that stupid 5,000+ yard record.

I don't care about Brees records. I'll flat out say that. The 2011 season we had to pad stats for him to break the Marino passing record (go back to the Vikings game that year. Up by 30, and still throwing the ball in the 4th quarter). He threw 90+ more passes than Marino did in 1984. THAT is why stat nerds didn't respect him breaking the record and still don't. He got the yards but didn't match Marino's TDs that year, and that was with almost 100 more passes. This year, it was a big deal for him to pass Manning for all time TD leader. The reason I don't think these stats are a big deal is cause it's a passing league. Favre didn't hold the all time records for a decade before Manning took them. Is Brees going to hold those records for even a decade? Probably not. But in the end, it's been proven that we worry about those stats and the records when we shouldn't.

We just watched Pat Mahomes win a SB with a worse defense than Brees had in 2011. Payton's playcalling does frustrate me to no end at times. K.C. was down 24 to Houston, 10 to Tennessee and 10 to SF, and didn't give up running the ball even when it looked like they needed to. Payton didn't want to run Murray all year when he was getting the yards and was instead force-feeding Kamara.

I agree that Bridgewater is a proven winner and we would be best to go with him next year.

Brees is 41 years old and we're the only fan base convinced he's still the best QB in football. The best QB just took home a Lombardi and SB MVP honors. There isn't anyone out there besides us who would rather have Brees over Mahomes. I said in another thread, i wish we could've drafted him in 2017 when we almost did. On the other Saints forum, people were calling him a future bust due to him throwing INTs in training camp and preseason of 2018. I don't think anyone is laughing now.

If we have any future, it would at least be a bridge to something with Bridgewater, who proved himself in that 5-0 run.

In advanced stats, Bridgewater was ranked #2 all year, behind Kirk Cousins is in deep ball completion percentage. He could've also escaped some of that pressure getting on Brees in the playoff game vs Minnesota. Everyone blames the o-line, but it don't help when you have a QB who relies entirely on dink and dunk passes. That's pretty much the only reason Brees' completion percentage numbers look so amazing, we rarely threw beyond 15 yards with him this past year.

I don't understand AT ALL how anyone can think of Hill; who will be 32 years old and has never started an NFL game in his career, could be a franchise QB. He struggles with passing in preseason.

And for the guys on here talking about us running an offense like Baltimore with Taysom Hill, LOL, how many playoff games did the invincible juggernaut Ravens win this year? Baltimore was so hyped up. Five Thirty Eight gave them a 47% chance to win the SB - their highest of any team in the past decade. They were humiliated so thoroughly in the playoffs, Neil Paine had to do an entire podcast explaining how it made their ELO ratings look terrible. We heard all year about that "unicorn offense", then they slammed into a brick wall facing a team that stacked the box and forced Jackson to be a pocket passer, proving he couldn't do it.

The Ravens basically were running an offense like Atlanta did when they had Vick and Warrick Dunn. People forget I guess that the Falcons used to run all over teams in those years; Vick and Dunn would rack up yards and make highlight reels of big plays. Those Vick Falcons teams always suffered the same fate. They would run into a team that stacked the box and forced him to pass, and then they would get slaughtered. That's pretty much what the Titans did to Baltimore in the playoffs.

If we want any future, we have to go with Bridgewater for now. I am not convinced we are going with Hill as the starter unless it's a tank job to get Trevor Lawrence, then maybe it'll be worth it.

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I think 2 Glove Teddy is a gone pecan this off season.

As far as "tanking" ... we aren't that type of organization. Not on Sean Payton's watch & there's no guarantee Trevor L will be able to transition well at the next level. Huge gamble with QB's taken that early.

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I'm not a fan of Lawrence. Unless Payton is hyping up Hill to get a high draft pick I think Bridgewater is the odd man out. I do think Bridgewater is a very good qb and could do well in this system. I would just about bet BB will get him and make us look stupid for letting him go.

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Taysom's character leads me to believe that the Saints would have an edge over most teams even if the offer from another team was a little more.

Going un-drafted leaves a mark, getting cut by the Packers and 31 teams not picking you up leaves a mark.. without what Sean Payton has done with him he likely wouldn't get a second look by anyone just like he didn't in the draft or when he was cut by the packers.

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All this deep ball talk about Bridgewater is very misleading. His longest pass
was 33 yards and he had a 28 yard pass that went for 42 with YAC.

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Taysom will be back next year weather it’s as starting QB they will use a first round tender on him no one will try for him..... Sup who dats been a minute !