USA Today/Saints Wire: NFL owners approve new CBA, but the players might not be in lockstep

jeanpierre · 02-21-2020, 11:58 AM

AsylumGuido · 02-21-2020, 12:08 PM

One thing to keep in mind ... the proposed CBA was not drafted unilaterally. It was drafted by committees of owners AND players. That's why it is called a "collective" bargaining agreement. The players would be getting quite a few concessions they have been wanting for years including a greater percentage of revenues, third party consideration of punishments, elimination of marijuana testing, further reduction of "in pad" practices, increased roster and practice squad sizes, an additional IR player that can be recalled, team option fifth year FULLY guaranteed (was just injury guaranteed), etc.

blackangold · 02-21-2020, 01:03 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

One thing to keep in mind ... the proposed CBA was not drafted unilaterally. It was drafted by committees of owners AND players. That's why it is called a "collective" bargaining agreement. The players would be getting quite a few concessions they have been wanting for years including a greater percentage of revenues, third party consideration of punishments, elimination of marijuana testing, further reduction of "in pad" practices, increased roster and practice squad sizes, an additional IR player that can be recalled, team option fifth year FULLY guaranteed (was just injury guaranteed), etc.

the purposed CBA was drafted unilaterally by the league... but sure YOU have the inside info...

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AsylumGuido · 02-21-2020, 01:16 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

the purposed CBA was drafted unilaterally by the league... but sure YOU have the inside info...

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Aka3jmdHsRU

The video you posted confirms that negotiations have been going on for the past ten months. Over that time the player union identified several key items that had to be included in any final agreement. The proposed agreement approved by the owners includes most of those items. That by definition isn't unilateral. Now it is in the hands of the player representatives to either accept the proposal crafted over those several months as is or introduce changes.

SmashMouth · 02-21-2020, 01:30 PM

Rejected...

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...-cba-proposal/

blackangold · 02-21-2020, 01:30 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

The video you posted confirms that negotiations have been going on for the past ten months. Over that time the player union identified several key items that had to be included in any final agreement. The proposed agreement approved by the owners includes most of those items. That by definition isn't unilateral. Now it is in the hands of the player representatives to either accept the proposal crafted over those several months as is or introduce changes.

The CBA was drafted by the league, without player input, unilaterally by the league. Your making this sound like it’s a done deal but the players have yet to start picking it apart.

AsylumGuido · 02-21-2020, 01:34 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

Rejected...

https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...-cba-proposal/

Not rejected. Just recommended against.

After NFL owners approved a proposed Collective Bargaining Agreement on Thursday, attention shifted to players as they need to approve any deal before it can go into place.

The NFL Players Association is holding a conference call with player representatives to discuss the deal on Friday and the union’s executive committee has already held a vote about whether or not to recommend accepting the deal.

Tom Pelissero of NFL Media reports and PFT has confirmed that the committee voted 6-5 against recommending it to the overall body of players. The committee led negotiations with owners from the union side to put together the proposed CBA.

That’s just a recommendation and the 32 player reps are also expected to hold a vote Friday. That will also serve as a recommendation as the NFLPA will submit the proposal to the full membership whether or not the player reps vote in favor of the deal.

If more than 50 percent of the membership votes for the proposal, the deal will be approved.

AsylumGuido · 02-21-2020, 01:38 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

The CBA was drafted by the league, without player input, unilaterally by the league. Your making this sound like it’s a done deal but the players have yet to start picking it apart.

Sorry, but you don't know what you are talking about. The proposed CBA was drafted by the players executive committee along with an owners committee.

That FACT is highlighted in the post above ...

Tom Pelissero of NFL Media reports and PFT has confirmed that the committee voted 6-5 against recommending it to the overall body of players. The committee led negotiations with owners from the union side to put together the proposed CBA.

What part of this do you not understand? The proposal was not unilaterally drafted by the owners. That is a fact.

And at no point have I suggested it is a done deal. Where have you read that? It has however reached a point where a final deal can be made.

AsylumGuido · 02-21-2020, 02:46 PM

The proposed CBA does not favor the top 5% of the individuals economically, but for players drafted in rounds two and later it would mean immediate increases in pay and added incentives according to Mike Garafolo on NFL Network. The players coming out against the proposal are all in that upper 5% of the player economic structure ... unsurprisingly. According to Garafolo the union has been negotiating on behalf of that "rank and file" which make up that other 95%.

Rugby Saint II · 02-25-2020, 08:43 PM

No Weed. No Deal!

Edit: Yeah. Yeah. I know there's other issues...….

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,222	Re: USA Today/Saints Wire: NFL owners approve new CBA, but the players might not be in lockstep One thing to keep in mind ... the proposed CBA was not drafted unilaterally. It was drafted by committees of owners AND players. That's why it is called a "collective" bargaining agreement. The players would be getting quite a few concessions they have been wanting for years including a greater percentage of revenues, third party consideration of punishments, elimination of marijuana testing, further reduction of "in pad" practices, increased roster and practice squad sizes, an additional IR player that can be recalled, team option fifth year FULLY guaranteed (was just injury guaranteed), etc.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,222	Re: USA Today/Saints Wire: NFL owners approve new CBA, but the players might not be in lockstep Originally Posted by blackangold the purposed CBA was drafted unilaterally by the league... but sure YOU have the inside info... https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Aka3jmdHsRU The video you posted confirms that negotiations have been going on for the past ten months. Over that time the player union identified several key items that had to be included in any final agreement. The proposed agreement approved by the owners includes most of those items. That by definition isn't unilateral. Now it is in the hands of the player representatives to either accept the proposal crafted over those several months as is or introduce changes.

02-21-2020, 01:30 PM	#5
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,125 Blog Entries: 29	Re: USA Today/Saints Wire: NFL owners approve new CBA, but the players might not be in lockstep Rejected... https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...-cba-proposal/ blackangold and K Major like this.

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blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: USA Today/Saints Wire: NFL owners approve new CBA, but the players might not be in lockstep Originally Posted by AsylumGuido The video you posted confirms that negotiations have been going on for the past ten months. Over that time the player union identified several key items that had to be included in any final agreement. The proposed agreement approved by the owners includes most of those items. That by definition isn't unilateral. Now it is in the hands of the player representatives to either accept the proposal crafted over those several months as is or introduce changes. The CBA was drafted by the league, without player input, unilaterally by the league. Your making this sound like it’s a done deal but the players have yet to start picking it apart. K Major likes this.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,222	Re: USA Today/Saints Wire: NFL owners approve new CBA, but the players might not be in lockstep Originally Posted by SmashMouth Rejected... https://profootballtalk.nbcsports.co...-cba-proposal/ Not rejected. Just recommended against. After NFL owners approved a proposed Collective Bargaining Agreement on Thursday, attention shifted to players as they need to approve any deal before it can go into place. The NFL Players Association is holding a conference call with player representatives to discuss the deal on Friday and the union’s executive committee has already held a vote about whether or not to recommend accepting the deal. Tom Pelissero of NFL Media reports and PFT has confirmed that the committee voted 6-5 against recommending it to the overall body of players. The committee led negotiations with owners from the union side to put together the proposed CBA. That’s just a recommendation and the 32 player reps are also expected to hold a vote Friday. That will also serve as a recommendation as the NFLPA will submit the proposal to the full membership whether or not the player reps vote in favor of the deal. If more than 50 percent of the membership votes for the proposal, the deal will be approved.
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02-21-2020, 01:38 PM	#8
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,222	Re: USA Today/Saints Wire: NFL owners approve new CBA, but the players might not be in lockstep Originally Posted by blackangold The CBA was drafted by the league, without player input, unilaterally by the league. Your making this sound like it’s a done deal but the players have yet to start picking it apart. Sorry, but you don't know what you are talking about. The proposed CBA was drafted by the players executive committee along with an owners committee. That FACT is highlighted in the post above ... Tom Pelissero of NFL Media reports and PFT has confirmed that the committee voted 6-5 against recommending it to the overall body of players. The committee led negotiations with owners from the union side to put together the proposed CBA. What part of this do you not understand? The proposal was not unilaterally drafted by the owners. That is a fact. And at no point have I suggested it is a done deal. Where have you read that? It has however reached a point where a final deal can be made.
	“The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.” — Winston Churchill

02-21-2020, 02:46 PM	#9
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,222	Re: USA Today/Saints Wire: NFL owners approve new CBA, but the players might not be in lockstep The proposed CBA does not favor the top 5% of the individuals economically, but for players drafted in rounds two and later it would mean immediate increases in pay and added incentives according to Mike Garafolo on NFL Network. The players coming out against the proposal are all in that upper 5% of the player economic structure ... unsurprisingly. According to Garafolo the union has been negotiating on behalf of that "rank and file" which make up that other 95%.

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