2020 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook

jeanpierre · 07-26-2020, 03:07 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

How do you know any of them were bottom of the rung out of the 90 man roster? That's all that's being eliminated and that cut isn't even taking place until August.

Go back and read the discussions and press...

Strief, by his own admission stated he was ready to quit, that he didn't belong; ask him the next time to go by his brewery and grille, he'll tell you...

AsylumGuido · 07-26-2020, 04:50 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Go back and read the discussions and press...

Strief, by his own admission stated he was ready to quit, that he didn't belong; ask him the next time to go by his brewery and grille, he'll tell you...

Oh, I would believe that's what he thought. But, discussions and press cannot be in the minds of those that actually make decisions. That's why I note what I have heard from GM's and coaches about the early roster decision making. I don't doubt Strief was outside the original 53. Possibly outside of the eight (at that time) practice squad list. But he was likely inside the 75 early on. I can't imagine he would be 81-90 as a draft pick.

That's who we are talking about. Those last ten that are only there to take snaps. While those players you mentioned, including Pierre Thomas, may not have been in the 53 originally, they surely weren't in the bottom of the barrel dredges (81-90) when camp began. Any player drafted (Strief, Colston, etc.) was going to clear that cut to 75.

jeanpierre · 07-26-2020, 05:14 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Oh, I would believe that's what he thought. But, discussions and press cannot be in the minds of those that actually make decisions. That's why I note what I have heard from GM's and coaches about the early roster decision making. I don't doubt Strief was outside the original 53. Possibly outside of the eight (at that time) practice squad list. But he was likely inside the 75 early on. I can't imagine he would be 81-90 as a draft pick.

That's who we are talking about. Those last ten that are only there to take snaps. While those players you mentioned, including Pierre Thomas, may not have been in the 53 originally, they surely weren't in the bottom of the barrel dredges (81-90) when camp began. Any player drafted (Strief, Colston, etc.) was going to clear that cut to 75.

AG, 2007 the Saints drafted RB Antonio Pittman, Ohio State in R4, Pick 107; and signed UDFA Pierre Thomas - you just made my case, Brother...

AsylumGuido · 07-26-2020, 05:28 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

AG, 2007 the Saints drafted RB Antonio Pittman, Ohio State in R4, Pick 107; and signed UDFA Pierre Thomas - you just made my case, Brother...

Pittman was cut on my birthday, September 1, 2007, to make room for Pierre Thomas. In 2007 the roster was cut to 53 on August 28. Pittman made the initial 53 but was cut a few days later to make room for Thomas who made the cut to 75. Neither were in that 81-90 range.

You just made my case, Brother.

jeanpierre · 07-26-2020, 05:34 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Pittman was cut on my birthday, September 1, 2007, to make room for Pierre Thomas. In 2007 the roster was cut to 53 on August 28. Pittman made the initial 53 but was cut a few days later to make room for Thomas who made the cut to 75. Neither were in that 81-90 range.

You just made my case, Brother.

You just argued that draft picks were making the roster, and I pointed out to you where Pittman was gone and P.T. was kept as the season got underway, you made my argument...

That's the importance of training camp, preseason games, as guys are giving opportunities some rise and some fall...

Thomas was considered a camp body, and as TC and PreSeason wore on, it was apparent who was the better RB...

If any team has shown you don't idly discount anyone on the roster, it's the New Orleans Saints...

AsylumGuido · 07-27-2020, 07:52 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

You just argued that draft picks were making the roster, and I pointed out to you where Pittman was gone and P.T. was kept as the season got underway, you made my argument...

That's the importance of training camp, preseason games, as guys are giving opportunities some rise and some fall...

Thomas was considered a camp body, and as TC and PreSeason wore on, it was apparent who was the better RB...

If any team has shown you don't idly discount anyone on the roster, it's the New Orleans Saints...

JP, no where did I say that draft picks were making the roster. You appear to have totally missed my point. You first showed concern about preseason rosters being reduced by ten (10) players. I mentioned that those bottom ten never had a shot of making the final 53 plus practice squad based upon what I have heard from numerous GM's. You then listed a number of late rounders and UDFA's that made the Saints final roster. But, I said those players would have all been inside that top 80 beginning camp. And EVERY draft pick would be in that top 80, for sure. You're not going to cut a player you just drafted prior to training camp, or even the first cut. Both Pittman AND Thomas survived the cut to 75 that year. Pittman made the final 53, but was replaced by Thomas a few days later.

As for Thomas being considered a camp body, sure he was. So were about 35-40 others. But, there are camp bodies that only have a small chance of making the roster, yet a chance, and there are camp bodies that the team knows has no chance whatsoever to make the roster and are truly there for filling a spot in drills and preseason games. None of the players you mentioned would have been close to that last group.

I agree that training camp is vital to identify those bubble players. But, given the lack of preseason games AND the need to "socially distance" in locker rooms and meetings every team in the NFL can easily remove ten of their 90 that have no chance whatsoever of making the squad.

Back to draft picks making the roster ...

You know my history of de-emphasizing the draft to a degree. I have pointed out on MANY occasions that only 35% of all drafted players AND undrafted free agents make the initial 53 man roster on average per year in the NFL.

07-26-2020, 03:07 PM	#1
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2020 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by AsylumGuido How do you know any of them were bottom of the rung out of the 90 man roster? That's all that's being eliminated and that cut isn't even taking place until August. Go back and read the discussions and press... Strief, by his own admission stated he was ready to quit, that he didn't belong; ask him the next time to go by his brewery and grille, he'll tell you...

07-26-2020, 04:50 PM	#2
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: 2020 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by jeanpierre Go back and read the discussions and press... Strief, by his own admission stated he was ready to quit, that he didn't belong; ask him the next time to go by his brewery and grille, he'll tell you... Oh, I would believe that's what he thought. But, discussions and press cannot be in the minds of those that actually make decisions. That's why I note what I have heard from GM's and coaches about the early roster decision making. I don't doubt Strief was outside the original 53. Possibly outside of the eight (at that time) practice squad list. But he was likely inside the 75 early on. I can't imagine he would be 81-90 as a draft pick. That's who we are talking about. Those last ten that are only there to take snaps. While those players you mentioned, including Pierre Thomas, may not have been in the 53 originally, they surely weren't in the bottom of the barrel dredges (81-90) when camp began. Any player drafted (Strief, Colston, etc.) was going to clear that cut to 75.
	“The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.” — Winston Churchill

07-26-2020, 05:14 PM	#3
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2020 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Oh, I would believe that's what he thought. But, discussions and press cannot be in the minds of those that actually make decisions. That's why I note what I have heard from GM's and coaches about the early roster decision making. I don't doubt Strief was outside the original 53. Possibly outside of the eight (at that time) practice squad list. But he was likely inside the 75 early on. I can't imagine he would be 81-90 as a draft pick. That's who we are talking about. Those last ten that are only there to take snaps. While those players you mentioned, including Pierre Thomas, may not have been in the 53 originally, they surely weren't in the bottom of the barrel dredges (81-90) when camp began. Any player drafted (Strief, Colston, etc.) was going to clear that cut to 75. AG, 2007 the Saints drafted RB Antonio Pittman, Ohio State in R4, Pick 107; and signed UDFA Pierre Thomas - you just made my case, Brother...

07-26-2020, 05:28 PM	#4
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: 2020 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by jeanpierre AG, 2007 the Saints drafted RB Antonio Pittman, Ohio State in R4, Pick 107; and signed UDFA Pierre Thomas - you just made my case, Brother... Pittman was cut on my birthday, September 1, 2007, to make room for Pierre Thomas. In 2007 the roster was cut to 53 on August 28. Pittman made the initial 53 but was cut a few days later to make room for Thomas who made the cut to 75. Neither were in that 81-90 range. You just made my case, Brother.

07-26-2020, 05:34 PM	#5
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2020 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Pittman was cut on my birthday, September 1, 2007, to make room for Pierre Thomas. In 2007 the roster was cut to 53 on August 28. Pittman made the initial 53 but was cut a few days later to make room for Thomas who made the cut to 75. Neither were in that 81-90 range. You just made my case, Brother. You just argued that draft picks were making the roster, and I pointed out to you where Pittman was gone and P.T. was kept as the season got underway, you made my argument... That's the importance of training camp, preseason games, as guys are giving opportunities some rise and some fall... Thomas was considered a camp body, and as TC and PreSeason wore on, it was apparent who was the better RB... If any team has shown you don't idly discount anyone on the roster, it's the New Orleans Saints...

07-27-2020, 07:52 AM	#6
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: 2020 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by jeanpierre You just argued that draft picks were making the roster, and I pointed out to you where Pittman was gone and P.T. was kept as the season got underway, you made my argument... That's the importance of training camp, preseason games, as guys are giving opportunities some rise and some fall... Thomas was considered a camp body, and as TC and PreSeason wore on, it was apparent who was the better RB... If any team has shown you don't idly discount anyone on the roster, it's the New Orleans Saints... JP, no where did I say that draft picks were making the roster. You appear to have totally missed my point. You first showed concern about preseason rosters being reduced by ten (10) players. I mentioned that those bottom ten never had a shot of making the final 53 plus practice squad based upon what I have heard from numerous GM's. You then listed a number of late rounders and UDFA's that made the Saints final roster. But, I said those players would have all been inside that top 80 beginning camp. And EVERY draft pick would be in that top 80, for sure. You're not going to cut a player you just drafted prior to training camp, or even the first cut. Both Pittman AND Thomas survived the cut to 75 that year. Pittman made the final 53, but was replaced by Thomas a few days later. As for Thomas being considered a camp body, sure he was. So were about 35-40 others. But, there are camp bodies that only have a small chance of making the roster, yet a chance, and there are camp bodies that the team knows has no chance whatsoever to make the roster and are truly there for filling a spot in drills and preseason games. None of the players you mentioned would have been close to that last group. I agree that training camp is vital to identify those bubble players. But, given the lack of preseason games AND the need to "socially distance" in locker rooms and meetings every team in the NFL can easily remove ten of their 90 that have no chance whatsoever of making the squad. Back to draft picks making the roster ... You know my history of de-emphasizing the draft to a degree. I have pointed out on MANY occasions that only 35% of all drafted players AND undrafted free agents make the initial 53 man roster on average per year in the NFL.
	“The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.” — Winston Churchill

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