Emmanuel Sanders

shawnkytonk · 03-20-2020, 11:28 PM

Originally Posted by Beastmode

Too old. Never works out when an old horse WR goes to a new team enough to matter. Mark my word, he will get buried on the depth chart. We need a pure speed guy. Mecole Hardman type.

Get buried by who?

Beastmode · 03-20-2020, 11:50 PM

Originally Posted by shawnkytonk

Get buried by who?

A Mecole Hardman type player. Anyone with blazing speed and can catch half decent.

Sanders can't do that. Too old and beat up. He never was a decent WR anyway. We'll get somebody else and Sanders will get beat out in camp.

shawnkytonk · 03-21-2020, 01:31 AM

Originally Posted by Beastmode

A Mecole Hardman type player. Anyone with blazing speed and can catch half decent.

Sanders can't do that. Too old and beat up. He never was a decent WR anyway. We'll get somebody else and Sanders will get beat out in camp.

7/157/1

That was against us last year. Far from beat up. Who's going to pass him ? Trequan?

burningmetal · 03-21-2020, 01:34 AM

Originally Posted by Beastmode

A Mecole Hardman type player. Anyone with blazing speed and can catch half decent.

Sanders can't do that. Too old and beat up. He never was a decent WR anyway. We'll get somebody else and Sanders will get beat out in camp.

I can't agree with any of this, man. Sanders has been MORE than decent throughout his career, and at times has been a star, when he's had a reliable QB to throw to him.

And did you see how his production immediately went up when he went to the 67ers, despite having to learn a new offense? Jimmy Garoppolo is about as average as it gets, but even he looked like a hall of famer, compared to the QB's in Denver. His numbers dipped at the very end of the year, when Garoppolo started tanking. He'll have a competent QB here.

The last point, is I don't think getting a speed guy matters as long as Brees is still the QB. He's proven he can't throw the deep ball anymore, other than the occasional 35 yard heave that flutters it's way out there. It is strategically essential to have great route runners who can get open in the intermediate areas and make tough catches when needed, with Brees at the helm. Sanders qualifies, and we already know Thomas does.

rezburna · 03-21-2020, 07:38 AM

Originally Posted by Beastmode

A Mecole Hardman type player. Anyone with blazing speed and can catch half decent.

Sanders can't do that. Too old and beat up. He never was a decent WR anyway. We'll get somebody else and Sanders will get beat out in camp.

What good is a player with blazing speed when your QB can’t take the top off the defense? We’ve had Ginn for years now and Brees can’t utilize his most important skill set. Sure, you needs a flanker who can run to keep the defense honest, but what Brees needed was more route runners who can get open underneath. Plus, what’s stopping us from going WR first round? Plenty mocks have us going Justin Jefferson at 24. As far as Sanders getting beat out in camp...it’s like you’ve never seen that guy play before. He’s an extremely savvy and talent wide receiver who never had to rely on elite athleticism to get open.

Danno · 03-21-2020, 07:48 AM

Originally Posted by rezburna

What good is a player with blazing speed when your QB can’t take the top off the defense? We’ve had Ginn for years now and Brees can’t utilize his most important skill set. Sure, you needs a flanker who can run to keep the defense honest, but what Brees needed was more route runners who can get open underneath. Plus, what’s stopping us from going WR first round? Plenty mocks have us going Justin Jefferson at 24. As far as Sanders getting beat out in camp...it’s like you’ve never seen that guy play before. He’s an extremely savvy and talent wide receiver who never had to rely on elite athleticism to get open.

A point that simply cannot be igored anymore. Safeties don't have respect the deeeep ball because he can't get it there. They can cheat up a bit and focus on the intermediate routes.

The difference may only be about 10 yards or so, but for DB's thats a lot of territiory they don't have to worry about.

rezburna · 03-21-2020, 07:59 AM

Originally Posted by Danno

A point that simply cannot be igored anymore. Safeties don't have respect the deeeep ball because he can't get it there. They can cheat up a bit and focus on the intermediate routes.

The difference may only be about 10 yards or so, but for DB's thats a lot of territiory they don't have to worry about.

Exactly. It allows a DB to play really aggressively and jump underneath routes.

Audiotom · 03-22-2020, 08:15 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

A point that simply cannot be igored anymore. Safeties don't have respect the deeeep ball because he can't get it there. They can cheat up a bit and focus on the intermediate routes.

The difference may only be about 10 yards or so, but for DB's thats a lot of territiory they don't have to worry about.

Agreed

and then Sean's draws up a lateral from Drew and Taysom throwing a 50 yard bomb behind the defense

we lost the Minnesota game with Drew seeing something long to end the half and laying it up for an easy INT.

AsylumGuido · 03-22-2020, 09:02 PM

Originally Posted by Audiotom

Agreed

and then Sean's draws up a lateral from Drew and Taysom throwing a 50 yard bomb behind the defense

we lost the Minnesota game with Drew seeing something long to end the half and laying it up for an easy INT.

You mean Taysom's 7th career complete regular season pass?

The Dude · 03-21-2020, 11:16 AM

Originally Posted by rezburna

What good is a player with blazing speed when your QB can’t take the top off the defense? We’ve had Ginn for years now and Brees can’t utilize his most important skill set. Sure, you needs a flanker who can run to keep the defense honest, but what Brees needed was more route runners who can get open underneath. Plus, what’s stopping us from going WR first round? Plenty mocks have us going Justin Jefferson at 24. As far as Sanders getting beat out in camp...it’s like you’ve never seen that guy play before. He’s an extremely savvy and talent wide receiver who never had to rely on elite athleticism to get open.

I imagine they will find someone in the draft to fill that role and he will be used mostly when Taysom is in. No use breaking the bank for a WR who will only be an actual target for only about 20% of the snaps (assuming that’s how they use Hill.)

03-20-2020, 11:28 PM	#1
shawnkytonk 500th Post Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Denver>Memphis>Mississippi Posts: 741	Re: Emmanuel Sanders Originally Posted by Beastmode Too old. Never works out when an old horse WR goes to a new team enough to matter. Mark my word, he will get buried on the depth chart. We need a pure speed guy. Mecole Hardman type. Get buried by who? stickman and K Major like this.

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Beastmode 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 9,126	Re: Emmanuel Sanders Originally Posted by shawnkytonk Get buried by who? A Mecole Hardman type player. Anyone with blazing speed and can catch half decent. Sanders can't do that. Too old and beat up. He never was a decent WR anyway. We'll get somebody else and Sanders will get beat out in camp.
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03-21-2020, 01:31 AM	#3
shawnkytonk 500th Post Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Denver>Memphis>Mississippi Posts: 741	Re: Emmanuel Sanders Originally Posted by Beastmode A Mecole Hardman type player. Anyone with blazing speed and can catch half decent. Sanders can't do that. Too old and beat up. He never was a decent WR anyway. We'll get somebody else and Sanders will get beat out in camp. 7/157/1 That was against us last year. Far from beat up. Who's going to pass him ? Trequan?

03-21-2020, 01:34 AM	#4
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Emmanuel Sanders Originally Posted by Beastmode A Mecole Hardman type player. Anyone with blazing speed and can catch half decent. Sanders can't do that. Too old and beat up. He never was a decent WR anyway. We'll get somebody else and Sanders will get beat out in camp. I can't agree with any of this, man. Sanders has been MORE than decent throughout his career, and at times has been a star, when he's had a reliable QB to throw to him. And did you see how his production immediately went up when he went to the 67ers, despite having to learn a new offense? Jimmy Garoppolo is about as average as it gets, but even he looked like a hall of famer, compared to the QB's in Denver. His numbers dipped at the very end of the year, when Garoppolo started tanking. He'll have a competent QB here. The last point, is I don't think getting a speed guy matters as long as Brees is still the QB. He's proven he can't throw the deep ball anymore, other than the occasional 35 yard heave that flutters it's way out there. It is strategically essential to have great route runners who can get open in the intermediate areas and make tough catches when needed, with Brees at the helm. Sanders qualifies, and we already know Thomas does. spkb25, saintsfan1976, AsylumGuido and 2 others like this.
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03-21-2020, 07:38 AM	#5
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,022	Re: Emmanuel Sanders Originally Posted by Beastmode A Mecole Hardman type player. Anyone with blazing speed and can catch half decent. Sanders can't do that. Too old and beat up. He never was a decent WR anyway. We'll get somebody else and Sanders will get beat out in camp. What good is a player with blazing speed when your QB can’t take the top off the defense? We’ve had Ginn for years now and Brees can’t utilize his most important skill set. Sure, you needs a flanker who can run to keep the defense honest, but what Brees needed was more route runners who can get open underneath. Plus, what’s stopping us from going WR first round? Plenty mocks have us going Justin Jefferson at 24. As far as Sanders getting beat out in camp...it’s like you’ve never seen that guy play before. He’s an extremely savvy and talent wide receiver who never had to rely on elite athleticism to get open. leilung, saintsfan1976, AsylumGuido and 4 others like this.
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03-21-2020, 07:48 AM	#6
Danno Truth Addict Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Spanish Fort, AL (via NO and B/R) Posts: 24,751	Re: Emmanuel Sanders Originally Posted by rezburna What good is a player with blazing speed when your QB can’t take the top off the defense? We’ve had Ginn for years now and Brees can’t utilize his most important skill set. Sure, you needs a flanker who can run to keep the defense honest, but what Brees needed was more route runners who can get open underneath. Plus, what’s stopping us from going WR first round? Plenty mocks have us going Justin Jefferson at 24. As far as Sanders getting beat out in camp...it’s like you’ve never seen that guy play before. He’s an extremely savvy and talent wide receiver who never had to rely on elite athleticism to get open. A point that simply cannot be igored anymore. Safeties don't have respect the deeeep ball because he can't get it there. They can cheat up a bit and focus on the intermediate routes. The difference may only be about 10 yards or so, but for DB's thats a lot of territiory they don't have to worry about. leilung, Rugby Saint II, blackangold and 2 others like this.

03-21-2020, 07:59 AM	#7
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,022	Re: Emmanuel Sanders Originally Posted by Danno A point that simply cannot be igored anymore. Safeties don't have respect the deeeep ball because he can't get it there. They can cheat up a bit and focus on the intermediate routes. The difference may only be about 10 yards or so, but for DB's thats a lot of territiory they don't have to worry about. Exactly. It allows a DB to play really aggressively and jump underneath routes.

03-22-2020, 08:15 PM	#8
Audiotom 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 1,094 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Emmanuel Sanders Originally Posted by Danno A point that simply cannot be igored anymore. Safeties don't have respect the deeeep ball because he can't get it there. They can cheat up a bit and focus on the intermediate routes. The difference may only be about 10 yards or so, but for DB's thats a lot of territiory they don't have to worry about. Agreed and then Sean's draws up a lateral from Drew and Taysom throwing a 50 yard bomb behind the defense we lost the Minnesota game with Drew seeing something long to end the half and laying it up for an easy INT.

03-22-2020, 09:02 PM	#9
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,574	Re: Emmanuel Sanders Originally Posted by Audiotom Agreed and then Sean's draws up a lateral from Drew and Taysom throwing a 50 yard bomb behind the defense we lost the Minnesota game with Drew seeing something long to end the half and laying it up for an easy INT. You mean Taysom's 7th career complete regular season pass?

03-21-2020, 11:16 AM	#10
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,055	Re: Emmanuel Sanders Originally Posted by rezburna What good is a player with blazing speed when your QB can’t take the top off the defense? We’ve had Ginn for years now and Brees can’t utilize his most important skill set. Sure, you needs a flanker who can run to keep the defense honest, but what Brees needed was more route runners who can get open underneath. Plus, what’s stopping us from going WR first round? Plenty mocks have us going Justin Jefferson at 24. As far as Sanders getting beat out in camp...it’s like you’ve never seen that guy play before. He’s an extremely savvy and talent wide receiver who never had to rely on elite athleticism to get open. I imagine they will find someone in the draft to fill that role and he will be used mostly when Taysom is in. No use breaking the bank for a WR who will only be an actual target for only about 20% of the snaps (assuming that’s how they use Hill.)
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