Apples deal with the raiders falls through

voodooido · 04-02-2020, 07:25 PM

With this deal failing through he make come cheap. Sure, he had some bad days but coming off the bench should help him regain some confidence and want. I say why not? Not like we have a ton in place better than him.

TheOak · 04-02-2020, 07:36 PM

Originally Posted by voodooido

With this deal failing through he make come cheap. Sure, he had some bad days but coming off the bench should help him regain some confidence and want. I say why not? Not like we have a ton in place better than him.

The Saints didn't want him and neither did the Raiders.... I am curious how that equates to regaining confidence?

The Dude · 04-02-2020, 07:47 PM

I would take him back in a second. Younger than Jenkins with more of an upside. We know he can play and would be very solid depth.

He had plenty confidence. He was “on the bench” due to injury.

K Major · 04-02-2020, 08:36 PM

Take him back in a second? Why? Eli became a liability on the back end.

Post Bears game, Apple graded out at 64, which is ranked 79th at his position. Routinely flame broiled in coverage & down the stretch. Say what you want about Janoris but he stopped a lot of the bleeding at CB spot #2 on the fly.

Eli "had" confidence early in the season but that fizzled rather quickly. He was on the bench because he was getting beat … consistently.

I hope CB is a priority in the upcoming draft.

Loomis, please don't make it happen.

jeanpierre · 04-02-2020, 10:16 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Take him back in a second? Why? Eli became a liability on the back end.

Post Bears game, Apple graded out at 64, which is ranked 79th at his position. Routinely flame broiled in coverage & down the stretch. Say what you want about Janoris but he stopped a lot of the bleeding at CB spot #2 on the fly.

Eli "had" confidence early in the season but that fizzled rather quickly. He was on the bench because he was getting beat … consistently.

I hope CB is a priority in the upcoming draft.

Loomis, please don't make it happen.

I'd agree with most of this, but if we can get him back at a discount? Hell Yeah, I'd do that deal in a second...

Having that kind of continuity and competition in the secondary would be tremendous; Eli was playing great until the Bears game; his confidence issues were tied to that injury...

He picked up a lot of bad habits because of poor coaching in New York, but Apple had a good trajectory as a reclamation project, until injury; I'd stay the course and keep working with him...

But if we can trade back from 24 into Round 2 early, and unless Epenesa is still there, I'd go for that rookie CB2 contract, and I am looking for either Dantzler or Diggs, maybe even Hall...

Beastmode · 04-02-2020, 11:09 PM

I'd take him. He is nothing special but for the right price why not. With a good DL he can play semi-good. He needs the line though. Without that forget it. He can't cover very long without it.

jeanpierre · 04-02-2020, 11:12 PM

Originally Posted by Beastmode

I'd take him. He is nothing special but for the right price why not. With a good DL he can play semi-good. He needs the line though. Without that forget it. He can't cover very long without it.

We've not finished a season with our starting defensive line intact in over five years now...

dizzle88 · 04-03-2020, 11:42 AM

Originally Posted by The Dude

I would take him back in a second. Younger than Jenkins with more of an upside. We know he can play and would be very solid depth.

He had plenty confidence. He was “on the bench” due to injury.

Yeah I dont believe that for a second, Jenkins completely shut down Stefon Diggs in the playoff game. After the chicago game, Eli was getting worked every single game.

saintsfan1976 · 04-03-2020, 11:53 AM

Janoris is our starter. Draft for the future and move on.

voodooido · 04-04-2020, 12:02 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

The Saints didn't want him and neither did the Raiders.... I am curious how that equates to regaining confidence?

Exactly what I said. Take the pressure off of him by letting him come off the bench. He has good experience and has shown flashes. If he comes cheap why not?

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voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,749	Apples deal with the raiders falls through With this deal failing through he make come cheap. Sure, he had some bad days but coming off the bench should help him regain some confidence and want. I say why not? Not like we have a ton in place better than him. jeanpierre and MarchingOn like this.
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The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,006	Re: Apples deal with the raiders falls through I would take him back in a second. Younger than Jenkins with more of an upside. We know he can play and would be very solid depth. He had plenty confidence. He was “on the bench” due to injury. MarchingOn likes this.
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K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,060 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Apples deal with the raiders falls through Take him back in a second? Why? Eli became a liability on the back end. Post Bears game, Apple graded out at 64, which is ranked 79th at his position. Routinely flame broiled in coverage & down the stretch. Say what you want about Janoris but he stopped a lot of the bleeding at CB spot #2 on the fly. Eli "had" confidence early in the season but that fizzled rather quickly. He was on the bench because he was getting beat … consistently. I hope CB is a priority in the upcoming draft. Loomis, please don't make it happen. SmashMouth, jeanpierre, Rugby Saint II and 1 others like this.

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jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Apples deal with the raiders falls through Originally Posted by K Major Take him back in a second? Why? Eli became a liability on the back end. Post Bears game, Apple graded out at 64, which is ranked 79th at his position. Routinely flame broiled in coverage & down the stretch. Say what you want about Janoris but he stopped a lot of the bleeding at CB spot #2 on the fly. Eli "had" confidence early in the season but that fizzled rather quickly. He was on the bench because he was getting beat … consistently. I hope CB is a priority in the upcoming draft. Loomis, please don't make it happen. I'd agree with most of this, but if we can get him back at a discount? Hell Yeah, I'd do that deal in a second... Having that kind of continuity and competition in the secondary would be tremendous; Eli was playing great until the Bears game; his confidence issues were tied to that injury... He picked up a lot of bad habits because of poor coaching in New York, but Apple had a good trajectory as a reclamation project, until injury; I'd stay the course and keep working with him... But if we can trade back from 24 into Round 2 early, and unless Epenesa is still there, I'd go for that rookie CB2 contract, and I am looking for either Dantzler or Diggs, maybe even Hall...
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TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 18,978	Re: Apples deal with the raiders falls through Originally Posted by voodooido With this deal failing through he make come cheap. Sure, he had some bad days but coming off the bench should help him regain some confidence and want. I say why not? Not like we have a ton in place better than him. The Saints didn't want him and neither did the Raiders.... I am curious how that equates to regaining confidence?

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jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Apples deal with the raiders falls through Originally Posted by Beastmode I'd take him. He is nothing special but for the right price why not. With a good DL he can play semi-good. He needs the line though. Without that forget it. He can't cover very long without it. We've not finished a season with our starting defensive line intact in over five years now... SmashMouth and Rugby Saint II like this.

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dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 10,838	Re: Apples deal with the raiders falls through Originally Posted by The Dude I would take him back in a second. Younger than Jenkins with more of an upside. We know he can play and would be very solid depth. He had plenty confidence. He was “on the bench” due to injury. Yeah I dont believe that for a second, Jenkins completely shut down Stefon Diggs in the playoff game. After the chicago game, Eli was getting worked every single game. Rugby Saint II likes this.

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saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,543 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Apples deal with the raiders falls through Janoris is our starter. Draft for the future and move on. Rugby Saint II, K Major and shawnkytonk like this.

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voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,749	Re: Apples deal with the raiders falls through Originally Posted by TheOak The Saints didn't want him and neither did the Raiders.... I am curious how that equates to regaining confidence? Exactly what I said. Take the pressure off of him by letting him come off the bench. He has good experience and has shown flashes. If he comes cheap why not? jeanpierre likes this.
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