Rate the O-line

jeanpierre · 04-07-2020, 08:35 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

A good o-line doesn't get bad in the post season, they get injured.

Yeah, but Oak, everyone is bleeding come post season, everyone is banged-up, and our anchor LT, Mr. Glass, has a short history of playing through pain...

Now, don't think Peat gets enough tip-of-the-hats for some of the injuries he's played through (pins in the hand playing football - excruciating)...

My criticism of Peat was when he showed up at Yulman to see a professional athelete overweight, out-of-shape, winded running onto the field - no excuse...

But Major is right, when the competition became elite (Frisco in the Dome, Reg Season, Must Have Drives), some Guards have shrunk from the challenge...

The guy that I thought I got to much credit was Warford, usually when you need short yardage you go strong-side and move people, we had more success off-tackle than inside trap...

Warford was the kind of signing I hate, a consolation pick where we spent money set aside on a guy who showed all the signs of coasting, mailing it in once he got the Big Mo'...

We should've spent a little more, had the best LG in the NFL - Kevin Zeitler (picked with our traded pick in 2012 NO>NE>CIN), am sure he'd rather be in NO than that sh*t-show in CLE...

Jury is still out on Erik McCoy, but early indications are trending up; some exchange issues with Brees, but those will get better with reps; better reads, calls will come with experience...

Ramczyk has played like an All-Pro since he suited up and should've gotten the recognition and more he received this past season since that amazing rookie game at LT vs Minnesota...

But we've got trouble in River City at Guard; fortunately the contracts are not so bad we can't get out of 'em; our line will be a Top 5 unit minimum...

And that gives Brees something to work with on Sundays...

AsylumGuido · 04-07-2020, 08:50 AM

Something that needs to be taken into consideration on Peat's conditioning coming into the 2018 season. Do not forget that he suffered a broken leg and a high ankle sprain in the playoff game earlier that year. That basically means no cardio training during the off-season. Then the broken arm and hand on two fluke plays affected his abilities during the 2019-2020 postseason.

He was actually quite good when healthy. It is impossible to defend against broken bones in the trenches.

spkb25 · 04-07-2020, 10:38 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Something that needs to be taken into consideration on Peat's conditioning coming into the 2018 season. Do not forget that he suffered a broken leg and a high ankle sprain in the playoff game earlier that year. That basically means no cardio training during the off-season. Then the broken arm and hand on two fluke plays affected his abilities during the 2019-2020 postseason.

He was actually quite good when healthy. It is impossible to defend against broken bones in the trenches.

I hope you're right, but with that many I juries what are we signing him for? Anzalone was known as j jury prone coming out of college and people here were like awww that this and it was that. He's been hurt every season.

I honestly cant remember if that was a concern for Rankins but he cant stay healthy either.

I agree you cant fault guys for being injured, but you dont keep signing dudes that are constantly Injured, in my humble opinion.

Look, not one dude on this board doesnt hope he balls out. And nothing we can do other than that since he is signed, but guys here have a right to be apprehensive and think it wont work. And the worst question is what do we do when it doesnt?

AsylumGuido · 04-07-2020, 12:07 PM

Originally Posted by spkb25

I hope you're right, but with that many I juries what are we signing him for? Anzalone was known as j jury prone coming out of college and people here were like awww that this and it was that. He's been hurt every season.

I honestly cant remember if that was a concern for Rankins but he cant stay healthy either.

I agree you cant fault guys for being injured, but you dont keep signing dudes that are constantly Injured, in my humble opinion.

Look, not one dude on this board doesnt hope he balls out. And nothing we can do other than that since he is signed, but guys here have a right to be apprehensive and think it wont work. And the worst question is what do we do when it doesnt?

I would be far more concerned if Peat's injuries were soft tissue related. The leg resulted from being rolled up on. That can happen to any lineman at any time. The hand was broken when crushed between two helmets. Freak occurrence. The forearm was also a helmet impact. He could go ten years without having any of those circumstances arise again. Anzalone and Armstead have been experiencing more troubling types of injuries.

K Major · 04-07-2020, 09:13 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

My criticism of Peat was when he showed up at Yulman to see a professional athelete overweight, out-of-shape, winded running onto the field - no excuse...

The guy that I thought I got to much credit was Warford, usually when you need short yardage you go strong-side and move people, we had more success off-tackle than inside trap...

Warford was the kind of signing I hate, a consolation pick where we spent money set aside on a guy who showed all the signs of coasting, mailing it in once he got the Big Mo'...

I think this could be Warford's last season in New Orleans. He hasn't been a complete liability in pass protection but there were a couple of games where I thought he'd get our QB killed. Hopefully we target another GUARD in the upcoming draft. There is a Carl Nicks out there. Gotta get stronger, nastier. Post season is a completely different animal.

Solid depth is the name of the game.

TheOak · 04-07-2020, 02:41 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Yeah, but Oak, everyone is bleeding come post season, everyone is banged-up, and our anchor LT, Mr. Glass, has a short history of playing through pain...

Now, don't think Peat gets enough tip-of-the-hats for some of the injuries he's played through (pins in the hand playing football - excruciating)...

My criticism of Peat was when he showed up at Yulman to see a professional athelete overweight, out-of-shape, winded running onto the field - no excuse...

But Major is right, when the competition became elite (Frisco in the Dome, Reg Season, Must Have Drives), some Guards have shrunk from the challenge...

The guy that I thought I got to much credit was Warford, usually when you need short yardage you go strong-side and move people, we had more success off-tackle than inside trap...

Warford was the kind of signing I hate, a consolation pick where we spent money set aside on a guy who showed all the signs of coasting, mailing it in once he got the Big Mo'...

We should've spent a little more, had the best LG in the NFL - Kevin Zeitler (picked with our traded pick in 2012 NO>NE>CIN), am sure he'd rather be in NO than that sh*t-show in CLE...

Jury is still out on Erik McCoy, but early indications are trending up; some exchange issues with Brees, but those will get better with reps; better reads, calls will come with experience...

Ramczyk has played like an All-Pro since he suited up and should've gotten the recognition and more he received this past season since that amazing rookie game at LT vs Minnesota...

But we've got trouble in River City at Guard; fortunately the contracts are not so bad we can't get out of 'em; our line will be a Top 5 unit minimum...

And that gives Brees something to work with on Sundays...

My reply was specific to K Majors post and not player specific. A line doesn't get bad in week 16 they get vulnerable at a specific position due to injury and the closer that injury is to the center of the line the more vulnerable the run game and QB become.

Unless you have played offensive line you think its 5 men playing the guy across from them and it isn't. There are no 1 on 1 battles pre-snap because as an o-lineman you don't know who, how many, or from where you are about to get hit. As soon as you go white knuckle on the guy across from you, you get a face full of dirt from a swim move or side step.

We tend to see a defensive player hit a QB and immediately blame the guy across from him for not blocking him... Guards specifically pull and trap and if the Tackle or Center do not make the necessary adjustment the guy across from the guard has open field at the QB.

I played line, every position on both sides of the ball. Having the best 5 players at their line position doesn't mean you have a good line. A good offensive line is ALL about cohesion... its not about a fast Center, its all 5 moving at the same speed... It isnt all about being able to block the guy in front of you, its more important to be able to know when the guy on the side of you is getting double teamed and giving assistance. Everyone's knee jerk is to start looking for different players, we dont need different players, we need what we have to play cohesively.

Everyone calls them dumb linemen.... its most of the people watching them that are clueless.

I am in no way taking up for Pete, go back to week 1 against the Texans I said he was out of shape and dragging azz. Frankly there is zero excuse for out of shape. I do remember not seeing him in any pre-season games, he may have not been healthy or just a case of the fatass all season.

04-07-2020, 08:35 AM	#1
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Rate the O-line Originally Posted by TheOak A good o-line doesn't get bad in the post season, they get injured. Yeah, but Oak, everyone is bleeding come post season, everyone is banged-up, and our anchor LT, Mr. Glass, has a short history of playing through pain... Now, don't think Peat gets enough tip-of-the-hats for some of the injuries he's played through (pins in the hand playing football - excruciating)... My criticism of Peat was when he showed up at Yulman to see a professional athelete overweight, out-of-shape, winded running onto the field - no excuse... But Major is right, when the competition became elite (Frisco in the Dome, Reg Season, Must Have Drives), some Guards have shrunk from the challenge... The guy that I thought I got to much credit was Warford, usually when you need short yardage you go strong-side and move people, we had more success off-tackle than inside trap... Warford was the kind of signing I hate, a consolation pick where we spent money set aside on a guy who showed all the signs of coasting, mailing it in once he got the Big Mo'... We should've spent a little more, had the best LG in the NFL - Kevin Zeitler (picked with our traded pick in 2012 NO>NE>CIN), am sure he'd rather be in NO than that sht-show in CLE... Jury is still out on Erik McCoy, but early indications are trending up; some exchange issues with Brees, but those will get better with reps; better reads, calls will come with experience... Ramczyk has played like an All-Pro since he suited up and should've gotten the recognition and more he received this past season since that amazing rookie game at LT vs Minnesota... But we've got trouble in River City at Guard; fortunately the contracts* are not so bad we can't get out of 'em; our line will be a Top 5 unit minimum... And that gives Brees something to work with on Sundays... Rugby Saint II and darksoul35 like this.
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04-07-2020, 08:50 AM	#2
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,671	Re: Rate the O-line Something that needs to be taken into consideration on Peat's conditioning coming into the 2018 season. Do not forget that he suffered a broken leg and a high ankle sprain in the playoff game earlier that year. That basically means no cardio training during the off-season. Then the broken arm and hand on two fluke plays affected his abilities during the 2019-2020 postseason. He was actually quite good when healthy. It is impossible to defend against broken bones in the trenches. Thirty3 likes this.

04-07-2020, 10:38 AM	#3
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,145	Re: Rate the O-line Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Something that needs to be taken into consideration on Peat's conditioning coming into the 2018 season. Do not forget that he suffered a broken leg and a high ankle sprain in the playoff game earlier that year. That basically means no cardio training during the off-season. Then the broken arm and hand on two fluke plays affected his abilities during the 2019-2020 postseason. He was actually quite good when healthy. It is impossible to defend against broken bones in the trenches. I hope you're right, but with that many I juries what are we signing him for? Anzalone was known as j jury prone coming out of college and people here were like awww that this and it was that. He's been hurt every season. I honestly cant remember if that was a concern for Rankins but he cant stay healthy either. I agree you cant fault guys for being injured, but you dont keep signing dudes that are constantly Injured, in my humble opinion. Look, not one dude on this board doesnt hope he balls out. And nothing we can do other than that since he is signed, but guys here have a right to be apprehensive and think it wont work. And the worst question is what do we do when it doesnt?
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04-07-2020, 12:07 PM	#4
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,671	Re: Rate the O-line Originally Posted by spkb25 I hope you're right, but with that many I juries what are we signing him for? Anzalone was known as j jury prone coming out of college and people here were like awww that this and it was that. He's been hurt every season. I honestly cant remember if that was a concern for Rankins but he cant stay healthy either. I agree you cant fault guys for being injured, but you dont keep signing dudes that are constantly Injured, in my humble opinion. Look, not one dude on this board doesnt hope he balls out. And nothing we can do other than that since he is signed, but guys here have a right to be apprehensive and think it wont work. And the worst question is what do we do when it doesnt? I would be far more concerned if Peat's injuries were soft tissue related. The leg resulted from being rolled up on. That can happen to any lineman at any time. The hand was broken when crushed between two helmets. Freak occurrence. The forearm was also a helmet impact. He could go ten years without having any of those circumstances arise again. Anzalone and Armstead have been experiencing more troubling types of injuries.

04-07-2020, 09:13 AM	#5
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,838 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Rate the O-line Originally Posted by jeanpierre My criticism of Peat was when he showed up at Yulman to see a professional athelete overweight, out-of-shape, winded running onto the field - no excuse... The guy that I thought I got to much credit was Warford, usually when you need short yardage you go strong-side and move people, we had more success off-tackle than inside trap... Warford was the kind of signing I hate, a consolation pick where we spent money set aside on a guy who showed all the signs of coasting, mailing it in once he got the Big Mo'... I think this could be Warford's last season in New Orleans. He hasn't been a complete liability in pass protection but there were a couple of games where I thought he'd get our QB killed. Hopefully we target another GUARD in the upcoming draft. There is a Carl Nicks out there. Gotta get stronger, nastier. Post season is a completely different animal. Solid depth is the name of the game. Rugby Saint II, halloween 65 and MarchingOn like this.

04-07-2020, 02:41 PM	#6
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,050	Re: Rate the O-line Originally Posted by jeanpierre Yeah, but Oak, everyone is bleeding come post season, everyone is banged-up, and our anchor LT, Mr. Glass, has a short history of playing through pain... Now, don't think Peat gets enough tip-of-the-hats for some of the injuries he's played through (pins in the hand playing football - excruciating)... My criticism of Peat was when he showed up at Yulman to see a professional athelete overweight, out-of-shape, winded running onto the field - no excuse... But Major is right, when the competition became elite (Frisco in the Dome, Reg Season, Must Have Drives), some Guards have shrunk from the challenge... The guy that I thought I got to much credit was Warford, usually when you need short yardage you go strong-side and move people, we had more success off-tackle than inside trap... Warford was the kind of signing I hate, a consolation pick where we spent money set aside on a guy who showed all the signs of coasting, mailing it in once he got the Big Mo'... We should've spent a little more, had the best LG in the NFL - Kevin Zeitler (picked with our traded pick in 2012 NO>NE>CIN), am sure he'd rather be in NO than that sht-show in CLE... Jury is still out on Erik McCoy, but early indications are trending up; some exchange issues with Brees, but those will get better with reps; better reads, calls will come with experience... Ramczyk has played like an All-Pro since he suited up and should've gotten the recognition and more he received this past season since that amazing rookie game at LT vs Minnesota... But we've got trouble in River City at Guard; fortunately the contracts* are not so bad we can't get out of 'em; our line will be a Top 5 unit minimum... And that gives Brees something to work with on Sundays... My reply was specific to K Majors post and not player specific. A line doesn't get bad in week 16 they get vulnerable at a specific position due to injury and the closer that injury is to the center of the line the more vulnerable the run game and QB become. Unless you have played offensive line you think its 5 men playing the guy across from them and it isn't. There are no 1 on 1 battles pre-snap because as an o-lineman you don't know who, how many, or from where you are about to get hit. As soon as you go white knuckle on the guy across from you, you get a face full of dirt from a swim move or side step. We tend to see a defensive player hit a QB and immediately blame the guy across from him for not blocking him... Guards specifically pull and trap and if the Tackle or Center do not make the necessary adjustment the guy across from the guard has open field at the QB. I played line, every position on both sides of the ball. Having the best 5 players at their line position doesn't mean you have a good line. A good offensive line is ALL about cohesion... its not about a fast Center, its all 5 moving at the same speed... It isnt all about being able to block the guy in front of you, its more important to be able to know when the guy on the side of you is getting double teamed and giving assistance. Everyone's knee jerk is to start looking for different players, we dont need different players, we need what we have to play cohesively. Everyone calls them dumb linemen.... its most of the people watching them that are clueless. I am in no way taking up for Pete, go back to week 1 against the Texans I said he was out of shape and dragging azz. Frankly there is zero excuse for out of shape. I do remember not seeing him in any pre-season games, he may have not been healthy or just a case of the fatass all season.
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