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Re: With questions about OTAs and rookie minicamp could the Saints change their draft strategy?

Jeff Ireland has done wonders for this organization since he met with Payton at the job fair known as the Senior bowl. Ireland was between jobs and I'm so glad we brought him on board. We can now stock the shelves with rookies and can let our draft picks go when it's time for another contract if we can't afford them.

Re: With questions about OTAs and rookie minicamp could the Saints change their draft strategy?

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 884950)

Allow me to illustrate...

2008 DT Sedrick Ellis, Payton trades with New England, Saints trade up for DT Sedrick Ellis after failing to make a deal with KC; Belichick took All-Pro LBer Jerrod Mayo.
2010 DT Al Woods, Payton traded with Arizona; the Cardinals take DE O'Brien Schofield a few picks later...
2010 C Matt Tennant, Payton traded 2011 4th round pick with Jacksonville to make this selection in the fifth round...
2011 RB Mark Ingram, Payton traded Saints 2011 Second Round Pick (56th/Shane Verreen) and 2012 First Round Pick (G Kevin Zeitler -Cin) to New England...

New England traded the pick with Cincinnati for their first round selection (21st overall) and took Chandler Jones; CIN also got a 3rd for moving back...
Pick was especially costly because the Saints not having a first to pay the bountygate penalty would have to give up two second round picks in 2012 and 2013...
Saints wisely extend Ingram in 2015 despite not having a 1000RuYd Season to that point...
Payton breaks up dynamic RB duo Ingram/Kamara, lets Ingram walk to Ravens; taking load off of breakout QB Lamar Jackson rejuvenates Ravens Franchise...
2011 LB Martez Wilson and conditional 2012 sixth-round selection, Payton traded OT Jammal Brown and a fifth round pick in return...
2012 Payton Bountygate
2013 NT John Jenkins (88th overall); Payton traded two 4th round picks (106th & 109th) to MIA; MIA traded 109th pick to Green Bay who took All-Pro OT David Bakhtiari...
2014 WR Brandin Cooks; Payton traded 1st & 3rd round picks to move up, amid Eagles rumours; AZ used No. 27 on S Deone Bucannon and No. 91 on WR John Brown...
2014 LB Ronald Powell; Payton traded RB Darren Sproles to Philadelphia for a fifth round pick and took Powell...
2015 Sean Payton hired Jeff Ireland to rebuild scouting department, evaluate Saints Draft Process; very quickly he transitioned as Director College Scouting and Asst GM...
2015 Saints trade All-Pro TE Jimmy Graham & a 3rd round pick for All-Pro C Max Unger and a 1st round pick; Payton experimenting with a 3-4 defense selects LB Stephone Anthony...
2015 Jeff Ireland engineers trade with former Team MIA, sent WR Kenny Stills for LBer Dannell Ellerbe and 3rd round pick (No. 78), CB P.J. Williams...
2015 Jeff Ireland breaks ice with KC and trades G Ben Grubbs to KC for fifth round pick (no. 154), NT Tyeler Davison...
2015 Damian Swann, 5th round (No. 167 overall), send 6th round pick (No. 187 overall) and 2016 sixth-round selection to the Washington Redskins
2016 SS Vonn Bell, Payton trades up for Bell and send New England a 3rd round pick (No. 78 ), G Joe Thuney and a 4th round pick (No. 112) WR Malcolm Mitchell...

2020 Saints let Vonn Bell walk in Free Agency...
2016 DT David Onyemata, Saints trade 5th round pick (152nd) and a 2017 4th round pick (No. )to WAS and select Onyemata in Round 4 (No. 120)

2020 Saints wisely re-signed Onyemata in Free Agency...

I'll pick up with more Post-Ireland Arrival (2017 NFL Draft) later...

Way too much draft detail for me. LOL! As you know, my friend, what happens in the draft happens and is always water under the bridge as far as I am concerned. Now the negotiating parts with other franchises is interesting, but my interest in the players come into play when, and if, they make the team and hit the field. But, of course, I also enjoy the contract and cap implications. Far more interesting to me than the draft itself. I'm not saying I do not enjoy watching the draft these days because I expect every pick to be a goldmine.

Oh ...

19-0 Baby!

:bng:

Re: With questions about OTAs and rookie minicamp could the Saints change their draft strategy?

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 884950)

Allow me to illustrate...

2008 DT Sedrick Ellis, Payton trades with New England, Saints trade up for DT Sedrick Ellis after failing to make a deal with KC; Belichick took All-Pro LBer Jerrod Mayo.
2010 DT Al Woods, Payton traded with Arizona; the Cardinals take DE O'Brien Schofield a few picks later...
2010 C Matt Tennant, Payton traded 2011 4th round pick with Jacksonville to make this selection in the fifth round...
2011 RB Mark Ingram, Payton traded Saints 2011 Second Round Pick (56th/Shane Verreen) and 2012 First Round Pick (G Kevin Zeitler -Cin) to New England...

New England traded the pick with Cincinnati for their first round selection (21st overall) and took Chandler Jones; CIN also got a 3rd for moving back...
Pick was especially costly because the Saints not having a first to pay the bountygate penalty would have to give up two second round picks in 2012 and 2013...
Saints wisely extend Ingram in 2015 despite not having a 1000RuYd Season to that point...
Payton breaks up dynamic RB duo Ingram/Kamara, lets Ingram walk to Ravens; taking load off of breakout QB Lamar Jackson rejuvenates Ravens Franchise...
2011 LB Martez Wilson and conditional 2012 sixth-round selection, Payton traded OT Jammal Brown and a fifth round pick in return...
2012 Payton Bountygate
2013 NT John Jenkins (88th overall); Payton traded two 4th round picks (106th & 109th) to MIA; MIA traded 109th pick to Green Bay who took All-Pro OT David Bakhtiari...
2014 WR Brandin Cooks; Payton traded 1st & 3rd round picks to move up, amid Eagles rumours; AZ used No. 27 on S Deone Bucannon and No. 91 on WR John Brown...
2014 LB Ronald Powell; Payton traded RB Darren Sproles to Philadelphia for a fifth round pick and took Powell...
2015 Sean Payton hired Jeff Ireland to rebuild scouting department, evaluate Saints Draft Process; very quickly he transitioned as Director College Scouting and Asst GM...
2015 Saints trade All-Pro TE Jimmy Graham & a 3rd round pick for All-Pro C Max Unger and a 1st round pick; Payton experimenting with a 3-4 defense selects LB Stephone Anthony...
2015 Jeff Ireland engineers trade with former Team MIA, sent WR Kenny Stills for LBer Dannell Ellerbe and 3rd round pick (No. 78), CB P.J. Williams...
2015 Jeff Ireland breaks ice with KC and trades G Ben Grubbs to KC for fifth round pick (no. 154), NT Tyeler Davison...
2015 Damian Swann, 5th round (No. 167 overall), send 6th round pick (No. 187 overall) and 2016 sixth-round selection to the Washington Redskins
2016 SS Vonn Bell, Payton trades up for Bell and send New England a 3rd round pick (No. 78 ), G Joe Thuney and a 4th round pick (No. 112) WR Malcolm Mitchell...

2020 Saints let Vonn Bell walk in Free Agency...
2016 DT David Onyemata, Saints trade 5th round pick (152nd) and a 2017 4th round pick (No. )to WAS and select Onyemata in Round 4 (No. 120)

2020 Saints wisely re-signed Onyemata in Free Agency...

I'll pick up with more Post-Ireland Arrival (2017 NFL Draft) later...

I forgot how bad we hosed Seattle in the Jimmy Graham deal. That wound up to be one of the smartest moves in recent memory.

Re: With questions about OTAs and rookie minicamp could the Saints change their draft strategy?

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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 884938)

If they're trying something new, it's likely because of COVID circumstances.

Ever since Ireland came aboard, drafts seem to have improved. Why change your draft approach unless your evaluation process is hindered?

Dude, I'm not saying they will, or should, change their strategy. I'm pretty sure I made that point as clear as possible.

It was just a response to the question that was posed. And, in my opinion, IF there were a different strategy employed, there is no logical reason for covid to have anything to do with it. These guys have access to tons and tons of film. They can interview players over the phone. I don't see the inability to put eyes on players in person having so much of an impact that teams will be scared to draft players. I think they'll move forward with the same plan they've had the last few years, and if guys don't work out... That's nothing new. That's how the draft works.

So if they want to trade for veteran players, maybe it would just mean that they identified some players that they want, and trading draft picks is the way to acquire them. However, the Saints' draft capitol is kind of terrible. So, I don't know what they have to offer.

Re: With questions about OTAs and rookie minicamp could the Saints change their draft strategy?

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Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 884986)

Dude, I'm not saying they will, or should, change their strategy. I'm pretty sure I made that point as clear as possible.

It was just a response to the question that was posed. And, in my opinion, IF there were a different strategy employed, there is no logical reason for covid to have anything to do with it. These guys have access to tons and tons of film. They can interview players over the phone. I don't see the inability to put eyes on players in person having so much of an impact that teams will be scared to draft players. I think they'll move forward with the same plan they've had the last few years, and if guys don't work out... That's nothing new. That's how the draft works.

So if they want to trade for veteran players, maybe it would just mean that they identified some players that they want, and trading draft picks is the way to acquire them. However, the Saints' draft capitol is kind of terrible. So, I don't know what they have to offer.

#TrustTheFilm

Re: With questions about OTAs and rookie minicamp could the Saints change their draft strategy?

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Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 884986)

I didn't say you did either! I merely disagreed with the ideas. My opinion stands - if a draft strategy changes, it's likely due to not being able to assess a certain player the way they would in the past. The past being before COVID. They'll likely pass on a player they could have further vetted.

Re: With questions about OTAs and rookie minicamp could the Saints change their draft strategy?

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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 885003)

Well, I guess we all have our opinions. I'm just wondering why they would pass on a player who they have hours of tape on, simply because they didn't see him in person... Only to draft some other player who they have hours of tape on, but have never seen in person.

This goes back to the point I've been making all along. The Saints, right now, have a board with prospect rankings on it, based on whatever information they DO have. Granted, they might not have as much information as they'd like, or as they or used to getting, but they can do nothing about that. So, they'll go forward with their board and draft according to best player available, with perhaps some emphasis on certain needs, or perhaps not. Just as they always have.

To avoid one "risk" is to go with another "risk", in this situation. So what changes? That's all I'm saying.

Re: With questions about OTAs and rookie minicamp could the Saints change their draft strategy?

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Originally Posted by burningmetal (Post 885019)

I didn't suggest they'd pass on a player they already liked. In fact, I think they're more likely to go with players they have familiarity with this year in particular. The fact they can't meet with certain players to vet them more means those players are likely further down their board.

Re: With questions about OTAs and rookie minicamp could the Saints change their draft strategy?

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Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 (Post 885077)

Payton already said that he'll take less chances on players with an injury history. That alone is a huge change from the usual gamblers approach of rolling the dice on an injured player. Our roster is already littered with injured players who can't contribute on a regular basis that looked promising.

Film don't lie. That's the theme for this year I would imagine. If a player shows good field awareness that's great but if he's fighting through an injury we may still have to pass no matter how much Payton likes the player.