Featured Discussion Saints Draft Days Official Thread

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

As a side note, 65%, on average, of draft picks do not make the final roster and that includes picks made in the first two days. It's probably closer to 85% of players drafted in the final four rounds that fail to make a roster. Odds are we gave up nothing of value to get a potential starter. Not bad at all.

Of course, for those into the draft as an event, I can see the disappointment. It's entertaining to see who we pick late even if there little to no chance of them making the squad.

Which is exactly why you want as many draft picks as possible...

[halloween 65]

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Athletically, Graham was faster (4.5 sec vs 4.8 sec), had longer arms, reach (35 in v 32 in), and larger hands (10.625 in vs 9.2 in) than Dayton Flyer Adam Trautman...

Make no mistake - physically, Trautman is a beast in his own right with maybe Notre Dame's Cole Kmet and Stanford's Colby Parkinson only notable talent being bigger...

Personally, in today's NFL, wouldn't want TE's that aren't at least 6' 5" with good arm length so they can post-up in the Red Zone are on 3rd downs...

But I guess what bothers me is that Belichick (or was it his dog Nike?) took two (2) TEs before Trautman; and then Payton spent four picks on Trautman...

And if Logan Wilson was so prized as is suggested, why didn't we spend four picks to get Wilson who'd be a better fit in our defense as a true MIKE?

Now, as said earlier, in an exchange with Chris, I like Baun and most players from the Wisconsin program (especially offensive line), but Baun is a 3-4 JACK, not a 4-3 SAM...

And from what I saw watching Wisconsin (also Iowa games) Baun was exposed in coverage when matched up against obvious NFL talent...

Maybe consider we're gonna start playing some 3-4 based on matchups; Baun will allow us to do that with some combination of Davis-Alonso-Anzalone-Baun/Hendrickson?

Only problem with that theory is D.A., who's cognitive ability seems limited to running his 4-3 system, and is unable/unwilling to build with what he's given...

Back to Trautman - this is where I broke with many models thought he should have been drafted considering the level of his competition where he was rarely, if ever, challenged...

But four (4) picks? Just feel Ireland could have found younger players that would have allowed us to get that roster age mean lower and some valuable cap relief, wiggle room...

No, not many rookies are gonna make this roster, but I personally believe that's something the team needs to fight - complacency - when this team needs a fire lit under its arse...

Your 100% correct when you say you see Baun as a 3-4 jack, that is exactly how I see him, I really hope this isn't a square peg in a round hole pick.

[spkb25]

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Which is exactly why you want as many draft picks as possible...

Thats a good point, crap shoot

if we end up with 3 starters than we win .

Its going to depend on Cesar, baun, and trautman

[papz]

Not Saints related but Baltimore is absolutely killing this draft.

[jeanpierre]

Originally Posted by papz

Not Saints related but Baltimore is absolutely killing this draft.

[AsylumGuido]

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Which is exactly why you want as many draft picks as possible...

In Ireland I trust. He'd be the one that had our three targets all ranked in the top 40. I can understand your disappointment given your love for the draft. As I mentioned in the other thread, maybe we can pick up a couple of picks for Warford just for the entertainment value alone, even if they have virtually no chance of ever making a final cut.

We actually seem to do much better with UDFA's than with late round picks, anyway.

[AsylumGuido]

Originally Posted by halloween 65

Your 100% correct when you say you see Baun as a 3-4 jack, that is exactly how I see him, I really hope this isn't a square peg in a round hole pick.

Given that there is really no such thing as a true 4-3 or 3-4 any longer all pegs are more interchangeable. Let's hope Dennis plays everyone to their strengths.

[Lord_Saint83]

Originally Posted by halloween 65

Your 100% correct when you say you see Baun as a 3-4 jack, that is exactly how I see him, I really hope this isn't a square peg in a round hole pick.

Im sure with them moving up to get Baun they have a vision for him in that defense. I think they've learned from years prior. Trautman like some one said last night is reminiscing of a old school 50/50 tight end. Im not thrilled about him but im not pissed either.

[jeanpierre]

Originally Posted by Lord_Saint83

Im sure with them moving up to get Baun they have a vision for him in that defense. I think they've learned from years prior. Trautman like some one said last night is reminiscing of a old school 50/50 tight end. Im not thrilled about him but im not pissed either.

Payton, Ireland, or Dennis Allen?

[AsylumGuido]

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Payton, Ireland, or Dennis Allen?

According to Baun himself, Saints LB coach Michael Hodges, already has plans for Zach in the scheme. He said in an interview that he just got off the phone with Hodges and was told that.